Never heard of a higherarchy.Ampersand said:Who said there would be countries?Daystar Clarion said:
Anarchists?
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I consider myself to be an Anarchist and this is what my definition is:
Anarchy is a condition of equality and freedom in which there is no hierarchy and agreements are made voluntarily or directly democratically. It does not mean 'without order' or even necessarily 'without rules'. It means 'without masters.'
Anarchy is a condition of equality and freedom in which there is no hierarchy and agreements are made voluntarily or directly democratically. It does not mean 'without order' or even necessarily 'without rules'. It means 'without masters.'
hierarchy*No One Jones said:Never heard of a higherarchy.Ampersand said:Who said there would be countries?Daystar Clarion said:
[sub]Goddamn grammar nazis.[/sub]
People want organization, rules, guidelines and hierarchy. These provide peace and control in even modestly working society.
When there are hierarchy, people don't need to take responsibility about things they can't/shouldn't take care of, it relaxes them.
Guidelines help those who are lost and can't tell what would be the right things to do (Right here is defined by the societies moral standpoint which varied person to person, but I am referring to the "baseline" moral).
Organization avoid confusion, which make things easier to do, cuts down the workload and demands less resources both physical and mental.
Rules set markers to the society that support the idea of guidelines. Main difference being guidelines are there to give you a pointer to right direction and law is there to tell you what you must not do, punish you fro doing something willful that has been condemned to be wrong and to set an example to other what they shouldn't do.
This is how I see this, feel free to call me "brainwashed immoral governmental puppet that is here to destroy freedom with hes capitalistic ways" Like one person in my school though it was firring description, after I managed to discuss hes ideas about Wind and solar being perfect source of energy to whole mankind and prove them wrong. Not saying green energy is not good, hes ideas were.
When there are hierarchy, people don't need to take responsibility about things they can't/shouldn't take care of, it relaxes them.
Guidelines help those who are lost and can't tell what would be the right things to do (Right here is defined by the societies moral standpoint which varied person to person, but I am referring to the "baseline" moral).
Organization avoid confusion, which make things easier to do, cuts down the workload and demands less resources both physical and mental.
Rules set markers to the society that support the idea of guidelines. Main difference being guidelines are there to give you a pointer to right direction and law is there to tell you what you must not do, punish you fro doing something willful that has been condemned to be wrong and to set an example to other what they shouldn't do.
This is how I see this, feel free to call me "brainwashed immoral governmental puppet that is here to destroy freedom with hes capitalistic ways" Like one person in my school though it was firring description, after I managed to discuss hes ideas about Wind and solar being perfect source of energy to whole mankind and prove them wrong. Not saying green energy is not good, hes ideas were.
As noble as the idea may be, actually believing in it is plain naïve. There have been a few moments of 'anarchy' (the absence of government or police force) in history, generally in wars. If you look at WW2, for example, when the Germans were busy packing their stuff and retreating back to Germany, there were usually a few days in between the retreat of the Germans and the arrival of the Allies. The state these towns were in is quite close to what we would call anarchy (perhaps not intentional anarchy, but anarchy nonetheless).
What did people do during that in-between period? They decided that this would be a good time to loot warehouses and publically humiliate or murder anyone who was remotely suspected of collaboration, without even a chance of fair trial. Sure, not everyone acted like that, but the point is that without a system to prevent and/or punish crime, only a few people actually can fuck it up for the rest of the community. There are always people who will do whatever they can get away with, and anarchy allows them to get away with anything.
What did people do during that in-between period? They decided that this would be a good time to loot warehouses and publically humiliate or murder anyone who was remotely suspected of collaboration, without even a chance of fair trial. Sure, not everyone acted like that, but the point is that without a system to prevent and/or punish crime, only a few people actually can fuck it up for the rest of the community. There are always people who will do whatever they can get away with, and anarchy allows them to get away with anything.
Post above yours makes a good point. Anarchy almost always results in chaos, people are not ruled and therefore do anything they desire, whether it be raping, killing or simply keeping to themselves, at the end of the day, nothing gets done, humanity doesn't progress and we're sent spiralling back to stone age tribalism.derelix said:
Anarchy is romanticism, it still and always will be. I like to think of it as an interval, a sort of break between two seperate societys, it doesn't last long because people crave power, if Anarchy exists then no one has power, so biggest gang or faction will take over by default, to fill the void of power. It's how we have our governments today.
In short Anarchy doesn't work, but in an ideal world it would.
In short Anarchy doesn't work, but in an ideal world it would.
Or by parents, cultural perspective, definitions in different languages (If you believe in to the idea of "Language defines reality as it is")derelix said:
It's not that they're against organisation, they just don't think that the current form of government works. Don't confuse the words 'anarchy' and 'Anarchism;' they're not exactly the same.Daystar Clarion said:
As caveman stupid as it sounds. It's the communities fault for not killing the crazy fools off. That's the reason I like the IDEA of Anarchy. You get to handle your problems directly. Only problem is if you get handled as well.TheNarrator said: