Anarchy in London?

[The Rockerfly]

There's been a few protest but most of them are a bit stupid, or uni fees are still some of the cheapest in the world and the price change really isn't that bad, I'm at Nottingham and it's gone from £3000 a year to £3500. That's not too bad and I will stop idiots applying that just want to party, some university's are taking advantage of the price increase and going to £5,500 and they might get more expensive in the future. For now though it's fine

The public cuts is a bit different, most of the jobs being cut is just making everything a bit more efficient.In the public sector it is hard to get rid of people due to all the rules and regulations so when people are disposed of, it takes them out of their comfort zone. It wouldn't surprise me though that most of the people are complaining because not a single one of the MPs are directly effected by the cuts

EDIT: If people really want to protest something, protest these bank bosses getting masses of public money. That money is supposed to increase lending but the banks use it to hire people on ridiculously large salaries along with even more ridiculous bonuses

 

[thylasos]

Doubtless Fox News are making it sound like the apocalypse. It's not. A couple of hundred people on a peaceful march of a couple of hundred thousand (Who'reportesting about their jobs/pensions/education being kicked out from under them for the benefit of the city and the richest bastards in the country) happen to be professional shit-kicker-offers, who decided to smash up the Ritz and a branch of topshop. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the businesses in question. They spend the amount of money it costs to replace their windows while they're taking a piss. Get over it.

 

[Johnnyallstar]

Yes the wreck of the economy is caused by socialists and not by capitalist bankers giving themselves millions of dollars of pay and then having to be bailed out by the governments you so demonise.

Do me a favor, point out where I said the bankers were pristine? That's a bit off topic, but lets be honest, government programs were enticing the bankers to act in the way they did. Rating programs, the whole community housing acts, giving people loans who could never pay it back because they were in an "under-served" community (e.g. poor enough that they can't pay the loan back) caused a bubble to form.

After people saw just how bad the housing bubble was, they sold their toxic investments to other industries, and the whole thing went kablooie. The banks are at fault for being complicit, but the prime evil in that problem was the government.

you mean a company would game the system to get as much out of it as it could? NOO I refuse to believe it, ITS NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!

No, it wouldn't unless it was forced to. Why would they kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? Banking in America had been stable for nearly a century, and strangely enough, the Great Depression was also a product of government intervention into the market.

Banks act to make a profit in an environment of the economy, destroying it like a ponzi scheme doesn't maximize profits. Government acts only for political purposes, and frankly, almost none of the governing individuals have any experience acting in a real economic business before they're put in charge of the entire economy.

 

[Kinguendo]

There was a huge protest about the recent government cuts that are completely buggering the socialized aspects of British society and turns out we Brits dont take kindly to a buggering being forced upon us, so there were a bunch of people (they gave up counting at around the 250k mark and it took several hours for the people at the back of the protest to reach where the front used to be) protesting this and during the march about 700 dickheads broke off from the march to go be as their name states and vandalise businesses.

Its not quite anarchy... just 700 dickheads being dickheads while the vast majority are being civil and mature.

 

[Kinguendo]

"Demonstrators swarm central London to protest spending cuts"

You don't spend enough money on us so we are going to break shit!!!!
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Then you'll have to pay for the damage and have even less money for us!!!
YEAH!, We the people rule !


Why are people so stupid?

Not how it went at all, well done. You, the person, are so stupid.

 

[Doclector]

Well they shouldn't have voted for the people they voted for in the first place.
And acting all surprised when politicians don't keep their promises is rather confusing.

We didn't vote for who got in. There was, what could best be described as in order to avoid explaining our stupid system, a tie. One of the parties involved held ideas of a fairer country, no rising tuition fees, stricter on the source of our woes, the bankers, and generally becoming a free-er land. The others believed in the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer basically. These two parties formed a coalition government, and of course, as soon as the little, worthless scum got into power, he forgot everything about a free Britain. He just let the other go around restricting the rights of the poor for the "greater good" while the rich barely feel the recession at all.

Politicans lie. We know this. But for one thing, they shouldn't be allowed to.

And what he did was no mere lie. It was back stabbing the entire country. It was no less than treason. And that is still punishable by death.

 

[Black Phoenix]

Oh and to the people against state funded universities. I have a reasonably high IQ and I have 2 high scored degrees I'm a BA/BSc but my family is working class and in no way would I have been able to afford university without help. Should I have been left to work in a factory? Is that what your saying?

Just got to ask, how did that work out for you (the two degrees I mean)? Just I'm considering doing a second degree after the one I'm currently on (got another year two go), but unless I can get the funding, it's a no-go. That said, it might be different for me anyway, given I'll be applying for the second degree after the funding changes come in.

More on topic: The last I heard about all the tuition fees changes, the government was having to backpedal somewhat, as every uni in the country wanted to set their fees at the highest level, and for some reason the utter idiots in government didn't expect that to happen, though i have no idea why not, it seems like blatant common sense to me. So now, they're supposed to be setting some limits themselves on it all. I heard all this from a lecturer at my current uni, but I'm not totally sure on the accuracy, as I've not seen or heard it anywhere else.

 

[ramboondiea]

no current generation student will be affected by the changes. none. (and they already pay fees).

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actually thats not true, im a second year university student and i will be affected by the increase.

ot: they were just general riots at cuts, the peaceful protest went well, but like every protests people take advantage of the opportunity to cause a riot.

 

[RivFader86]

wouldn't call it anarchy as it happens in conjunction with a protest....unlike for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Days

 

[spartandude]

Us Brits have a tendency to riot against these kind of policies. this protest was largely peaceful with just a few people being idiots. however i wouldnt be surprised if the next protest turns violent, the government needs to be reminded who votes for them, who they work for and who pays them.

 

[Lord Kloo]

Meh, this kind of stuff happens commonly over here in England..

TBH, if people don't like the cuts they should be providing the answer to the cuts and not just bloody protesting because its pointless, the politicians then just cut elsewhere or raise taxes and then everyone goes off the rocker again for different reasons..

Besides the guys up in Parliament rarely make such large changes as the ones wanted as it usually screws up lots of stuff.. and as much as I hate to say it:

Politicians are usually right in what they do.. the problem lies with the fact that the UK population is so diverse in its politics that anything a socialist government does is hated by our fascists and vice versa...

But thats Off Topic : so whats happening.. people don't like change, thats about it...

 

[Woodsey]

Spoiler

Man, I feel so bad for them. They're going to have to pay for their tuition like I do!

This is what happens when the entitlement mentality is threatened by removal of the teat.

EDIT: I actually do feel sorry for them, though I said that with sarcasm. For years they lived in a world where they were allowed to establish a feeling of entitlement, and now it's been taken away. Probably for their better, but it's a shame that the socialist government programs killed their spirits so much that they feel they MUST have the government nipple to suckle from.[footnote]Moderator Edit: Please be more respectful when posting. Thanks![/footnote]

Look, just because things are shit for you (this is like the third post I've seen you make along the same lines - you have it bad, so everyone else should) doesn't meant that's the way things should be.

People have the right to be educated as far as their intelligence permits them - monetary cost should factor into it as little as possible.

Oh, and the implementation of certain socialist ideas doesn't equate to a socialist government.

Well they shouldn't have voted for the people they voted for in the first place.
And acting all surprised when politicians don't keep their promises is rather confusing.

Technically, no one won the election.

 

[Numb1lp]

These protests were much bigger, much larger, and all over purported 'cuts' to help save Britain's economy.
Meanwhile the Government introduces tax cuts?
Hardly consistent with trying to store money.

But you have to understand that tax cuts improve the economy. The more money people have, the more they're willing to spend.

 

[Realitycrash]

So, is it the revolution yet or can I go back to sleep?
I hope something good comes out of this.

 

[Altaria87]

Oh well, once again a whole bunch of people fail to grasp that our country is very very poor at the moment. It's always the way, everyone likes the idea of saving money but no one wants the cuts to affect them personally.

Yes, no-one wants the cuts to effect them personally when Bankers are still 'earning' Billion pound bonuses and not getting punished in the slightest for getting us into this whole mess. Instead, the Coalition continue to trot out the party line "Labour got us into this mess" and destroy anything good Tony Blair accomplished (AKA, pretty much everything before Iraq)

 

[Spacewolf]

Spoiler

Man, I feel so bad for them. They're going to have to pay for their tuition like I do!

This is what happens when the entitlement mentality is threatened by removal of the teat.

EDIT: I actually do feel sorry for them, though I said that with sarcasm. For years they lived in a world where they were allowed to establish a feeling of entitlement, and now it's been taken away. Probably for their better, but it's a shame that the socialist government programs killed their spirits so much that they feel they MUST have the government nipple to suckle from.

not really the problem is that they are going up because their used to be a cap and now universities can once again be the reserve of upper class people who can aford such high tuition fees