and ... Steams greenlight fails .....

[Robert Marrs]

"Stop the presses! A game I'm particularly fond of hasn't been Greenlit fast enough for my liking, and other games are being released before it is!"

Um. No. Ikaruga, as much of a classic as it may be, is now smack-dab in iOS release territory. It's reached the point where it *would* necessitate a Kickstarter or a Greenlight backing in order to be ported. It's not a question of whether or not the game is historically important to the medium - because it is - it's a case of whether or not the general public is ready and willing to shell out cash for a game they prospectively already own.

I know I do, having played the game's original Dreamcast release with a friend, and having purchased the XBLA edition as one of my first Xbox 360 store purchases. Considering, I really wouldn't want to shell out more cash for *another* port.

That's considering how otherwise, the alternative is this:


As good a game as it may be, I don't want Ikaruga to join the ranks of legacy titles that are systematically ported for every device ever conceived by mortal intelligences. Like, um, Myst.

What we really need is another 3ds myst game. That thing was amazing. The 3d effects were jaw dropping /sarcasm.

OT: Dude you should chill out. Its been on greenlight for one day and if the developers do a good enough job of telling people its there and enough people vote for it you will be able to buy it on steam. If tomorrow a game is announced that I am really looking forward to I would not then accuse greenlight of being the worst thing ever. I would vote for it and do my part to spread the word.

 

[BishopofAges]

Things I have observed in this thread:

1.) Posts that Greenlight is unfair and every game OP considers good should fly right on in.
2.) The notion that Complaining to the source has no viable effect.
3.) The idea that complaining to people who have no horse in the race will somehow win the race.

Things I feel this thread is trying to say:

1.) Ignore OPs nonsensical rant and vote the ever-loving crap out of good games on Greenlight
2.) Be a part of the greenlight process or complain about it
3.) I need a nap and a sandwich

 

[Lunar Templar]

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if it's gonna be derailed, I'd prefer it become a non gaming related music thread, we don't get enough of those >.>

Things I have observed in this thread:

1.) Posts that Greenlight is unfair and every game OP considers good should fly right on in.
2.) The notion that Complaining to the source has no viable effect.
3.) The idea that complaining to people who have no horse in the race will somehow win the race.

1) stupid is more accurate then unfair, but that works to.
2) in my experience, it hasn't
3) it worked for the 'ME ending' crowd ...

Things I feel this thread is trying to say:

1.) Ignore OPs nonsensical rant and vote the ever-loving crap out of good games on Greenlight
2.) Be a part of the greenlight process or complain about it
3.) I need a nap and a sandwich

1) I did up vote both games I mentioned
2) or both if your good at multitasking
3) good plan, I suggest a sandwich with bacon and cheese.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

What we really need is another 3ds myst game. That thing was amazing. The 3d effects were jaw dropping /sarcasm.

I know this is derailing the thread, but looking at Cyan's track record used to make me grin with anticipation. Now I just don't care anymore. I don't think the fault lies with anyone at Cyan proper, but a part of that, plus the overall Adventure Games decline, and the fact that Myst has been part of the Ubisoft stable for a while now are all making me think that *something* is pressuring them to milk the cow for all its worth.

Nevermind that said cow is bone-dry. The franchise has long-since lost its status of highest-grossing game in History.

I mean, you stop by Cyan Worlds' website and all there is to see is some kid-friendly app that's come out a few years back. No large-scale projects, no sign that there might be some R&D going on to revitalize the genre - there's nothing.

Cyan might as well be dead. That gives my inner child a serious case of the blues, seeing as I plugged away at the D'ni language the same way others might Klingon or Quenya, as a kid.

 

[Windcaler]

The big problem with the Greenlight process is its just apopularity contest that valve doesnt even pay attention to. You get some terrible games made my new developers (i.e. Cranky cat) that dont go through the steam process. However highly voted for games such as Paranautical activity didnt get greenlit for months with no explanation.

Honestly valve just needs to change greenlight to a demo service and say "Does your game work? If so welcome to steam. If not come back when it works". Basicly the same thing amazon is doing.

Right now greenlight is pretty much laughable with how things are handled but to be fair valve has admitted that. Yet they havnt done anything to address the issues (as far as Im aware)

 

['Record Stops.']

Sooo...Any chance of Mischief Makers being released on Steam or being greenlit to get onto Steam? Just saying, if Ikaruga, the legendary schmup released on both the PS2 and Gamecube is getting this treatment... then I don't see why Mischief Makers can't get an alternate release.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

fantastic, shit gets through while the good stuff gets stuck in green light purgatory :/

Good or not, it doesn't have a publisher that wants it on Steam and it appears that the Devs have yet to release a PC game at all.

So why should it bypass Greenlight?

As has been stated before, it's only been up one single day. If this game is as popular as you say it is then it should have no issue whatsoever of getting greenlit, and judging by the huge number of positive comments on the greenlight page it looks like it should get greenlit pretty quickly.
If it doesn't, then that is purely because there wasn't enough interest to justify Valve doing all the coding and work to get it Steam compatible, because not enough people would have bought it.

Valve is a small company, Steam is a purchasing platform. There is no point in a business releasing a game that they know will not sell as many copies as another game they could have used that time to code to become compatible with Steam.

Another voice of reason!

 

[Eve Charm]

If bad minecraft clones and another after another zombie game are getting green lit all the time, this will soon to.

Also do note there is desura if it fails to get green lit, and when companies start the green light process it's usually well before the game is even ready for a pc release.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Ikaruga is a vertical shooter like the ones made back in the 90's that as by far as I can tell brings nothing new to such games.

I'm pretty sure "generally loved by everyone" is hyperbole too.

As is "Considered a classic".

says it was released in 2001 in Japan for Arcades, and the only other additions to it was a Gamecube port and a 360 port. Neither of which are good accolades to begin with.

As such, this is the first time I have even heard of Ikaruga, so I should vote for a game that I dont know and honestly hate the genre that it is in because........


why exactly?

side scrolling shooters are a dime a dozen, cheap and easy to make. In addition to tower defense games side scroller shooters is like Playskool "babies first game developer kit".

dear god..... about the only thing you got right is its a top down shooter ... what did you do just look at the pictures and call it good? cause, damn dude.... Forgot about the Gamecube PORT though....

also, tower defense is lame, any fool with programing skills can make a good one, good or even passable 2d shooters are much harder to make cause there's more to balance then 'and they fallowed a path to the right' but really, you just seem to know nothing about shooters in general, which makes any thing you say about them hard to take seriously.

:3 but you keep on talken that shit, I'll enjoy seeing how much more incorrect you'll get.

Sorry, if you are going to rage about a game taking so long on Steam to get green lit, because at this point it's been established that since Treasure doesn't have anything on Steam, they have to go through the same process like everyone else, you should realize that there are more games that people are waiting for that are not just some shitty port of a arcade game.

nether did Wayforward, pre Ducktales release, and yet, Ducktales is up purchase (with no green light) able while their other game is STILL no where to be seen on the store front, stuck frimly in green light purgatory. so they aren't even fallowing their own standards here now are they.

 

[GladiatorUA]

nether did Wayforward, pre Ducktales release, and yet, Ducktales is up purchase (with no green light) able while their other game is STILL no where to be seen on the store front, stuck frimly in green light purgatory. so they aren't even fallowing their own standards here now are they.

Ducktales was published by Capcom. Capcom has access to Steamworks.

What's with pointless whining? Ikaruga was posted on greenlight 2 days ago. There was no wave of games getting through greenlight since then. What is the problem?

Yes, Greenlight is very far from perfect and some games were/are unjustly stuck in Greenlight limbo. Ikaruga is not one of them. At least not yet. And there is no reason to think it will be.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Yes, Greenlight is very far from perfect and some games were/are unjustly stuck in Greenlight limbo. Ikaruga is not one of them. At least not yet. And there is no reason to think it will be.

you know, I thought the same thing about Shantae, but yeah :/ GL purgatory for it it seems. I'd LIKE to think it'll go right though, but I have my doubts it will. Love to be able to play it again on a controller that isn't crap, on a system I'd actually play and NOT have to pay out the nose for it.

 

[aguspal]

Steam: Always screwing up things.


But seriously, way to go. Damned Steam! It deserves to die a painfull death for everything that has done to me (At least I have A LOT of trouble with this one software, dosnt seems to be that way with most people thougt).

 

[irok]

Ohno, this 2d bullet hell from 2001 is being made to prove it can still pull enough interest to make money 12 years later long after its genre was popular , what is this madness? surely it will sell a million copies and should have gotten through immediately, clearly.

 

[Rad Party God]

Spoiler: Snip.

Ikaruga [http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=183195387] is being put through the green light process, you know, the classic shooter, generally loved by every one who's ever played it (and like beat there asses) and considered a classic.

THE FUCK....

This is twice now (that I know of) of a good game, released on another platform getting screwed like this, the other being Shantea: Riskys Revenge, made by Wayforward, ya know, same people that just released the Ducktales remake? That DIDN'T go through and of the green light bullshit.

Seriously, how's the retard running that thing cause they are a sleep at the fucking wheel.

... So?, what's the problem?. Not because a game is either good or bad guarantee their publication on Steam without going through their process of admitance, especially if they don't have a big enough publisher to push it's release on the platform.

It's either going through Greenlight or nothing.

Also, keep in mind that, as incredibly awesome as Ikaruga is, it's an obscure game and it needs to be voted up to guarantee it's release.

No one is failing at anything, it's simply bussiness, as usual.

Also, what's the worst that could happen?, they could still release it on GOG and it would perfectly fit as an actual "Good Old Game".

 

[Rad Party God]

Sooo...Any chance of Mischief Makers being released on Steam or being greenlit to get onto Steam? Just saying, if Ikaruga, the legendary schmup released on both the PS2 and Gamecube is getting this treatment... then I don't see why Mischief Makers can't get an alternate release.

Actually, that's a possibility, because Treasure has already stated that, after Ikaruga (if it ever gets approved), they'll consider to release more of their games into the platform.

 

[GladiatorUA]

you know, I thought the same thing about Shantae, but yeah :/ GL purgatory for it it seems. I'd LIKE to think it'll go right though, but I have my doubts it will. Love to be able to play it again on a controller that isn't crap, on a system I'd actually play and NOT have to pay out the nose for it.

Shantae(DS port) was on Kickstarter for a year before getting approved. But it still hasn't been released. You don't need steam to release a game. And they don't plan on releasing it soon.

I 100% for giving unfinished games lower priority on Greenlight.

 

[Gennadios]

Steam users greenlit Dragon's lair, that alone shows that a greenlight game doesn't have to conform to any quality standards.

Basicaly the devs just need to sit it out and garner enough interest from the Steam community to get the votes.

 

[Fireaxe]

If friggin Russian turn based strategy games with no fanfare (or even a proper English website) can pass greenlight, the problem isn't greenlight.

 

[Saelune]

Im sorry that a system designed to support indie games isnt supporting your non indie games that already have been made and released.