Angry Detroit Citizens Fund RoboCop Statue

[thegreatkenji]

A: thats amazing and has can hopefully be applied to other area's.

B: who said they were angry? in fact Where is the evidence that the citizens of detroit were really involved? this seemed more like an internet crowd funded project. I could be wrong on that but i know they were at least not angry.

 

[Lionsfan]

This is so stupid. With all of the problems in Michigan this is what people choose to spend money on? Hell it doesn't even have to be just in Michigan, if people are willing to give 50,000 dollars for a Fictional Character's Statue then why not give it to something useful. A nice charity or something, don't waste the money on crap

 

[jdun]

Wow...this is what you want to put up to improve the city of Detroit? That place was a dump before the automotive giants began to leave...

You, sir, obviously know nothing about Detroit, so I will forgive your libel for now.

On topic, I still find this whole thing silly: we have actual historical places in Detroit like the factory that produced the first Model T crumbling down because there's just no money in the city's budget to maintain or protect them. Unless they park the statue in front of a Detroit precinct, I doubt that statue will stay erect (go ahead, snicker if you must) for a year without being vandalized or just stolen by a super-geek.

$55,000 is worth it for the lulz.

Seriously, I laughed my ass off for like 5 minutes at this headline. It's hilarious, the Detroit mayor asks for ideas to help a ruined city and everyone gets hung up on building a fucking Robocop statue like they have massive collective ADD, it's so ridiculous that it's epically hilarious.

Yeah they still doesn't understand the core problems that Detroit is facing. Doesn't matter what solutions they come up with. It's useless and waste of time if they don't know what is causing the sickness.

The core problems with Detroit is Unions and high taxes. Fix those two and life will come back to Detroit.

If they don't have those taxes they can't fund the police properly which is going to cause crime to rise even further. They are in a tough spot, they need money RIGHT NOW to fund the police, but they need to stop taxing so much to help in the long term. What they really need is like a billion dollars to fall in their lap, so they can fund the police until the lower taxes help the crime rate long term.

Good luck with that though, lol, a billion dollars doesn't just fall from the sky (except that one time....)

The Detroit problem is not hard to solve. The liberals that is running Detroit does not understand the problems that destroyed Detroit. Again Unions and High Taxes. You can't fix Detroit without addressing those two core problems.

Cutting tax is very easy and with the exception of the Unions no one will object. The Union problems is harder because they hold huge political power in the city. They want to get every last blood out of Detroit.

Cut taxes and replace unions worker with private sector. This will lower city cost and hence the ability to cut taxes. This will translate to business moving back into Detroit. That than will lead to a population growth. That means more money in the coffer.

I couldn't agree less with what you're proposing. They need to give support to people so that they can actually survive without resorting to theft.

How exactly do you propose they "replace" union workers with private sector? Cover the city with a handkerchief and go "TADA! And the unions have disappeared"?

Unionization is not even close to their problem, it's the poverty rate that needs to be addressed by creating more jobs and provided assistance to the needy.

Go check the video I posted above. Union is the main problem. They make much more money than the private sector. They have better benefits than the private second and they do less work than private sector workers.

The cause of poverty is the lack of employment. No job no money. What cause that? Lack of business . What cause the lack of business? High Taxes. What cause high taxes? Unions.

The problem is easy to solve the the political will is hard to come by. If I was running Detroit I will replace union workers with private employees. They cost less and do more. That translate to hiring less because they do more. That means I can lower taxes.

Wisconsin is taking on the Unions and that's what Detroit should be doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/40-of-madison-teachers-call-in-sick.html

 

[jdun]

This is so stupid. With all of the problems in Michigan this is what people choose to spend money on? Hell it doesn't even have to be just in Michigan, if people are willing to give 50,000 dollars for a Fictional Character's Statue then why not give it to something useful. A nice charity or something, don't waste the money on crap

It is there money. They can do whatever they like. They didn't used public money for their private project and it benefits the city. The city gave them a place to put the statue. I have no problem with it. I think its great and citizens around the country should copy their idea.

What I have problem with is using public money for their private projects which isn't the case here.

 

[Lionsfan]

It is there money. They can do whatever they like. They didn't used public money for their private project and it benefits the city. The city gave them a place to put the statue. I have no problem with it. I think its great and citizens around the country should copy their idea.

What I have problem with is using public money for their private projects which isn't the case here.

Well your right about that. I'm glad Detroit isn't funding this, we've got enough money problems as is without building a statue. And yeah it is private money, I just don't agree with it and wish it would go to something with a little more substance.

 

[Virgil]

This is so stupid. With all of the problems in Michigan this is what people choose to spend money on? Hell it doesn't even have to be just in Michigan, if people are willing to give 50,000 dollars for a Fictional Character's Statue then why not give it to something useful. A nice charity or something, don't waste the money on crap

As nice as it is to say "give it to charity", $50k isn't really that much money once it's spread over a group of people, and most charities don't do anything that makes a long-term impact anyway. I'd rather donate money to a project that will a) be completed and b) be awesome.

Art, on the other hand, is something that people can have pride in. It makes the area where it's installed better, and can help attract both visitors and new businesses. This goes doubly so for an art project that was a community-driven one. That's the exact kind of thing Detroit needs - people doing things to make their city a better place without the government.

Well, that and a decent football team, but I don't think there's enough charity in the world to fix that problem.

 

[BanthaFodder]

I want to hug the people that came up with this. so much brilliance in just one idea...

 

[toothofymir]

Glorious!

 

[Nesutaa]

This makes me so inexplicably happy

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

The local government might have no interest in improving their city, but atleast some of the citizens do.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Wow...this is what you want to put up to improve the city of Detroit? That place was a dump before the automotive giants began to leave...

Just saying, you could do a hell of a lot more to improve Detroit then put a statue of RoboCop in it...

Yeah, especially since the only thing still supporting that place is the Red Wings. Well, thats a gros overstatement, but still.

OT: you know, I'm glad that we have this kinda money to just frivilously spend on a statue when it could be going towards boosting the economy, or helping some cause like AIDS or something.

No, the significance is not lost on me, but this just seems like an entire waste of time when you live in a city like Detroit in a situation liek the US is in now.

 

[SpaceCadetMarty]

There is hope for this world yet.

Bit of an exaggerated claim? It kind of grinds me when people say things like there's no hope for this world just because the government wasn't going to spend a ton of money making a robo-cop statue when it had other ideas in mind when they meant "Improving the city"

Wow, take a joke. Thats the problem with these forums, everybody is way too serious all the time.


Also, as a Windsor citizen (Canadian city across from Detroit), I am very proud of this... even though it's not my country.

 

[Danpascooch]

Wow...this is what you want to put up to improve the city of Detroit? That place was a dump before the automotive giants began to leave...

You, sir, obviously know nothing about Detroit, so I will forgive your libel for now.

On topic, I still find this whole thing silly: we have actual historical places in Detroit like the factory that produced the first Model T crumbling down because there's just no money in the city's budget to maintain or protect them. Unless they park the statue in front of a Detroit precinct, I doubt that statue will stay erect (go ahead, snicker if you must) for a year without being vandalized or just stolen by a super-geek.

$55,000 is worth it for the lulz.

Seriously, I laughed my ass off for like 5 minutes at this headline. It's hilarious, the Detroit mayor asks for ideas to help a ruined city and everyone gets hung up on building a fucking Robocop statue like they have massive collective ADD, it's so ridiculous that it's epically hilarious.

Yeah they still doesn't understand the core problems that Detroit is facing. Doesn't matter what solutions they come up with. It's useless and waste of time if they don't know what is causing the sickness.

The core problems with Detroit is Unions and high taxes. Fix those two and life will come back to Detroit.

If they don't have those taxes they can't fund the police properly which is going to cause crime to rise even further. They are in a tough spot, they need money RIGHT NOW to fund the police, but they need to stop taxing so much to help in the long term. What they really need is like a billion dollars to fall in their lap, so they can fund the police until the lower taxes help the crime rate long term.

Good luck with that though, lol, a billion dollars doesn't just fall from the sky (except that one time....)

The Detroit problem is not hard to solve. The liberals that is running Detroit does not understand the problems that destroyed Detroit. Again Unions and High Taxes. You can't fix Detroit without addressing those two core problems.

Cutting tax is very easy and with the exception of the Unions no one will object. The Union problems is harder because they hold huge political power in the city. They want to get every last blood out of Detroit.

Cut taxes and replace unions worker with private sector. This will lower city cost and hence the ability to cut taxes. This will translate to business moving back into Detroit. That than will lead to a population growth. That means more money in the coffer.

I couldn't agree less with what you're proposing. They need to give support to people so that they can actually survive without resorting to theft.

How exactly do you propose they "replace" union workers with private sector? Cover the city with a handkerchief and go "TADA! And the unions have disappeared"?

Unionization is not even close to their problem, it's the poverty rate that needs to be addressed by creating more jobs and provided assistance to the needy.

Go check the video I posted above. Union is the main problem. They make much more money than the private sector. They have better benefits than the private second and they do less work than private sector workers.

The cause of poverty is the lack of employment. No job no money. What cause that? Lack of business . What cause the lack of business? High Taxes. What cause high taxes? Unions.

The problem is easy to solve the the political will is hard to come by. If I was running Detroit I will replace union workers with private employees. They cost less and do more. That translate to hiring less because they do more. That means I can lower taxes.

Wisconsin is taking on the Unions and that's what Detroit should be doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/40-of-madison-teachers-call-in-sick.html

First off your Yahoo article was about how Democrats are blocking the legislation, not about how Unions are actually a problem.

Your second link was about protest to the legislation trying to remove unions.

EVERY source you gave me is concerning the legislation to remove unions, the first one was totally irrelevant to whether unions are a problem, and the second one was about a protest that only happened because they are trying to remove unions

Nothing you just showed me demonstrates how Unions are a problem and why they need to be removed, all of this is a response to this legislation, but WHY do we need the legislation?

You say "unions need to be removed" and provide sources about problems created by Unions resisting removal. Where is your evidence that Unions are a problem when they aren't facing attacks from the government? Nothing you showed me proves or provides evidence that Unions themselves are a problem, it only shows that trying to remove them causes problems.

So given that those articles don't show evidence that unions are a problem when they aren't being attacked by government, they sure as hell don't show how Unions cause higher taxes.

Care to explain that?

 

[Danpascooch]

Wow...this is what you want to put up to improve the city of Detroit? That place was a dump before the automotive giants began to leave...

You, sir, obviously know nothing about Detroit, so I will forgive your libel for now.

On topic, I still find this whole thing silly: we have actual historical places in Detroit like the factory that produced the first Model T crumbling down because there's just no money in the city's budget to maintain or protect them. Unless they park the statue in front of a Detroit precinct, I doubt that statue will stay erect (go ahead, snicker if you must) for a year without being vandalized or just stolen by a super-geek.

$55,000 is worth it for the lulz.

Seriously, I laughed my ass off for like 5 minutes at this headline. It's hilarious, the Detroit mayor asks for ideas to help a ruined city and everyone gets hung up on building a fucking Robocop statue like they have massive collective ADD, it's so ridiculous that it's epically hilarious.

Yeah they still doesn't understand the core problems that Detroit is facing. Doesn't matter what solutions they come up with. It's useless and waste of time if they don't know what is causing the sickness.

The core problems with Detroit is Unions and high taxes. Fix those two and life will come back to Detroit.

If they don't have those taxes they can't fund the police properly which is going to cause crime to rise even further. They are in a tough spot, they need money RIGHT NOW to fund the police, but they need to stop taxing so much to help in the long term. What they really need is like a billion dollars to fall in their lap, so they can fund the police until the lower taxes help the crime rate long term.

Good luck with that though, lol, a billion dollars doesn't just fall from the sky (except that one time....)

The Detroit problem is not hard to solve. The liberals that is running Detroit does not understand the problems that destroyed Detroit. Again Unions and High Taxes. You can't fix Detroit without addressing those two core problems.

Cutting tax is very easy and with the exception of the Unions no one will object. The Union problems is harder because they hold huge political power in the city. They want to get every last blood out of Detroit.

Cut taxes and replace unions worker with private sector. This will lower city cost and hence the ability to cut taxes. This will translate to business moving back into Detroit. That than will lead to a population growth. That means more money in the coffer.

I couldn't agree less with what you're proposing. They need to give support to people so that they can actually survive without resorting to theft.

How exactly do you propose they "replace" union workers with private sector? Cover the city with a handkerchief and go "TADA! And the unions have disappeared"?

Unionization is not even close to their problem, it's the poverty rate that needs to be addressed by creating more jobs and provided assistance to the needy.

Go check the video I posted above. Union is the main problem. They make much more money than the private sector. They have better benefits than the private second and they do less work than private sector workers.

The cause of poverty is the lack of employment. No job no money. What cause that? Lack of business . What cause the lack of business? High Taxes. What cause high taxes? Unions.

The problem is easy to solve the the political will is hard to come by. If I was running Detroit I will replace union workers with private employees. They cost less and do more. That translate to hiring less because they do more. That means I can lower taxes.

Wisconsin is taking on the Unions and that's what Detroit should be doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/40-of-madison-teachers-call-in-sick.html

Consider this an addition to my previous quote:

Do you honestly think high taxes are the problem here? Anyone poor and desperate enough to be stealing dvd players and the like sure as hell aren't thinking "Man, I really don't want to steal this, but my income tax is 2% too high to not take it right now" They don't pay taxes if they're making so little money anyway. (at least, not in any substantial sum if at all)

All this will do is help the rich, trickle down economics has failed time and time again throughout history, but conservatives will always pretend it's a viable option if it means they get to pay less taxes.

 

[Lionsfan]

As nice as it is to say "give it to charity", $50k isn't really that much money once it's spread over a group of people, and most charities don't do anything that makes a long-term impact anyway. I'd rather donate money to a project that will a) be completed and b) be awesome.

Art, on the other hand, is something that people can have pride in. It makes the area where it's installed better, and can help attract both visitors and new businesses. This goes doubly so for an art project that was a community-driven one. That's the exact kind of thing Detroit needs - people doing things to make their city a better place without the government.

I guess it depends on where it's put. If it's put in Actual Detroit (and not an offshoot like Hamtramck) then it could be beneficial. It would be cool to have that near Cobo or something. But the only problem is Vandals and that most people in the city aren't gonna think of it as anything useful

Well, that and a decent football team, but I don't think there's enough charity in the world to fix that problem.

And hey we're improving. If Stafford's shoulder is healthy (an if, but better than anything we've had for the last decade) then I can see a Wild Card Berth at least

 

[Ashcrexl]

ok detroit. OPERATION REDEMPTION: rid your reputation as a hellhole. step one completed. step two: Stop giving ICP money.

 

[SpireOfFire]

im from metro detroit and this is fucking stupid. no statue of joe louis, sugar ray robinson, tommy hearns, eminem, kid rock (god save us), or anything like that. they choose robocop.

and i dont care who i piss off with this comment: robocop wasn't even that good.

EDIT: or steve yzerman or gordie howe.

 

[For.I.Am.Mad]

This makes me want a new Robocop movie.

 

[jdun]

Wow...this is what you want to put up to improve the city of Detroit? That place was a dump before the automotive giants began to leave...

You, sir, obviously know nothing about Detroit, so I will forgive your libel for now.

On topic, I still find this whole thing silly: we have actual historical places in Detroit like the factory that produced the first Model T crumbling down because there's just no money in the city's budget to maintain or protect them. Unless they park the statue in front of a Detroit precinct, I doubt that statue will stay erect (go ahead, snicker if you must) for a year without being vandalized or just stolen by a super-geek.

$55,000 is worth it for the lulz.

Seriously, I laughed my ass off for like 5 minutes at this headline. It's hilarious, the Detroit mayor asks for ideas to help a ruined city and everyone gets hung up on building a fucking Robocop statue like they have massive collective ADD, it's so ridiculous that it's epically hilarious.

Yeah they still doesn't understand the core problems that Detroit is facing. Doesn't matter what solutions they come up with. It's useless and waste of time if they don't know what is causing the sickness.

The core problems with Detroit is Unions and high taxes. Fix those two and life will come back to Detroit.

If they don't have those taxes they can't fund the police properly which is going to cause crime to rise even further. They are in a tough spot, they need money RIGHT NOW to fund the police, but they need to stop taxing so much to help in the long term. What they really need is like a billion dollars to fall in their lap, so they can fund the police until the lower taxes help the crime rate long term.

Good luck with that though, lol, a billion dollars doesn't just fall from the sky (except that one time....)

The Detroit problem is not hard to solve. The liberals that is running Detroit does not understand the problems that destroyed Detroit. Again Unions and High Taxes. You can't fix Detroit without addressing those two core problems.

Cutting tax is very easy and with the exception of the Unions no one will object. The Union problems is harder because they hold huge political power in the city. They want to get every last blood out of Detroit.

Cut taxes and replace unions worker with private sector. This will lower city cost and hence the ability to cut taxes. This will translate to business moving back into Detroit. That than will lead to a population growth. That means more money in the coffer.

I couldn't agree less with what you're proposing. They need to give support to people so that they can actually survive without resorting to theft.

How exactly do you propose they "replace" union workers with private sector? Cover the city with a handkerchief and go "TADA! And the unions have disappeared"?

Unionization is not even close to their problem, it's the poverty rate that needs to be addressed by creating more jobs and provided assistance to the needy.

Go check the video I posted above. Union is the main problem. They make much more money than the private sector. They have better benefits than the private second and they do less work than private sector workers.

The cause of poverty is the lack of employment. No job no money. What cause that? Lack of business . What cause the lack of business? High Taxes. What cause high taxes? Unions.

The problem is easy to solve the the political will is hard to come by. If I was running Detroit I will replace union workers with private employees. They cost less and do more. That translate to hiring less because they do more. That means I can lower taxes.

Wisconsin is taking on the Unions and that's what Detroit should be doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/40-of-madison-teachers-call-in-sick.html

Consider this an addition to my previous quote:

Do you honestly think high taxes are the problem here? Anyone poor and desperate enough to be stealing dvd players and the like sure as hell aren't thinking "Man, I really don't want to steal this, but my income tax is 2% too high to not take it right now" They don't pay taxes if they're making so little money anyway. (at least, not in any substantial sum if at all)

All this will do is help the rich, trickle down economics has failed time and time again throughout history, but conservatives will always pretend it's a viable option if it means they get to pay less taxes.

I don't think you understand what I am saying. I'll make it simple for you to understand. Low tax means more business. Business can hire more people. That means more people have work. If you have work that means you have money. And if you you spend it on things like video games. That in turn create more jobs. It's economic 101.

I assumed you never own a business or in management. Tax is always a problem for business. That's why Northeastern and Western States are in depopulation mode. And where are these people going to? To the South were low tax and pro business states will give them a job.

Lets look at China. 20 years ago China was poor as a pile of dirt. They got smart tell these "rich people" from other countries to invest in their country. Tell these "rich" people to exploit them. They gave these investor free lands, free factory, tax free status, and whatever they needed. These "rich" people than provide hundred of million of Chinese with jobs and out of poverty. Now China is the second largest economy in the world beating Japan. That's economic 101.

Governments don't produce they consume. You need the private sector to produce/make money.