Anime Hating

[MrMixelPixel]

I enjoy anime very much. I watched a lot of it as a kid. While I think most mainstream anime has gotten really dull, except for two in my opinion. One involving genocide, alchemy, the 7 sins, chimeras, and a conspiracy. The other involving a note book that causes death, the letter L, opinions about law and justice, a false god, and sweets. Oh and I guess Bleach is average.
(Note, that I just think mainstream anime and manga need to know when to end. I liked a lot of them when they 1st started. After the peak of the series though... it gets boring and tedious to sit through.)
hello, have you seen pokemon

However, to judge such a large medium like that and say it's all the same really isn't fair. I'm not going guarantee a lot of anime wont aggravate you. Some of it still irritates me, with their excessive annoyance and cuteness, however I think I'm starting to get desensitized to stuff like that. Anime still has much to offer besides that. Plus, if you care enough to read the manga you can get into some really amazing and deep stuff.

I'm not going to force my opinion on you, but I really think if you take a bit more time you will find something you enjoy.

*Face Palm* Yes I have seen Pokemon actually. It was one of the 1st anime's I've ever watched actually. I don't really understand what this has to do with my post. Pokemon is a mainstream anime that I don't like anymore. It didn't age well.

well i have watch other animes and you know what, they all follow the same trend.

Please... elaborate on what this trend is. -_-'

 

[Devil's Due]

I. HATE. IT.

It's simply not my bag.

*looks at avatar* ...wut?

I. HATE. IT.

It's simply not my bag.

Your avatar appears to contradict your statement.

That is Princess Robot Bubblegum, which lampoons and makes fun of Japanese culture.

Oh man! I knew I found her familiar, GTA IV's cartoon thing, right?

On topic: As for me, I rather dislike Anime as well. I prefer more realistic and less cartoon like drawings, which is probably why I quit watching cartoons or anything like that at a early age because it just seemed so fake to me. Also, I find it very hard to tell half the time who's a male and who's a female in anime, which quite honestly scares me.

I don't mind if people watch it, but I do get a bit weirded out that at my school a large number of students are really really crazy about anime and have clubs, dress like them a lot, etc. Just awkward for me, I suppose. Which is a shame, because I'm sure there would probably be some Anime that I would have liked.

 

[W8NKA]

I enjoy anime very much. I watched a lot of it as a kid. While I think most mainstream anime has gotten really dull, except for two in my opinion. One involving genocide, alchemy, the 7 sins, chimeras, and a conspiracy. The other involving a note book that causes death, the letter L, opinions about law and justice, a false god, and sweets. Oh and I guess Bleach is average.
(Note, that I just think mainstream anime and manga need to know when to end. I liked a lot of them when they 1st started. After the peak of the series though... it gets boring and tedious to sit through.)
hello, have you seen pokemon

However, to judge such a large medium like that and say it's all the same really isn't fair. I'm not going guarantee a lot of anime wont aggravate you. Some of it still irritates me, with their excessive annoyance and cuteness, however I think I'm starting to get desensitized to stuff like that. Anime still has much to offer besides that. Plus, if you care enough to read the manga you can get into some really amazing and deep stuff.

I'm not going to force my opinion on you, but I really think if you take a bit more time you will find something you enjoy.

*Face Palm* Yes I have seen Pokemon actually. It was one of the 1st anime's I've ever watched actually. I don't really understand what this has to do with my post. Pokemon is a mainstream anime that I don't like anymore. It didn't age well.

well i have watch other animes and you know what, they all follow the same trend.

Please... elaborate on what this trend is. -_-'

Look, I'am getting board with this topic so if you stop i'll stop. If you want a reason i'll give you one:you like anime and i can't change that, and i hate anime and that you can't change that.

 

[Squarez]

It also gets on my nerves that a person will ignore a western animated show or film or even a live-action one and watch something anime just BECAUSE it's anime. Which, seeing as being Japanese and animated is no guarantee for quality, frankly astounds me.

I just have to respond to this one. WHAT good western animation? Outside of The Simpsons, Family Guy/American Dad (which aren't all that great, but I digress), and Transformers: Beast Wars, just what good western animated shows were you referring to? I love me some NCIS and other live shows as much as the next guy, but the quality of western animation is just...horrid. Have you SEEN what they did to Cartoon Network? And Nick-whatever? Crap like Spongebob and Blue's Clues is what turned me to anime in the first place.

I agree to what you say but I want to add something to the discussion. Whenever someone discuss the quality between western animation and anime, I just use the recent Dante's Inferno animated film as an example. That film is divided into several part each with different studio and one of them is an American studio. Any one who saw that film will tell you that the one segment made by the American studio has the worst quality in the film.

Western animation does one thing good and only one thing, cartoon sitcom. The success of Simpsons, Family guy, King of the Hill are all proofs of it. However western studios never takes animation out of their comfort zone. On the other hand Japanese anime covers a much wider genre and styles.

If you're interesting in their production, recently hulu uploaded some behind the scene clips for cleveland show that talks about how they make one episodes. Surprisingly one episode would take more than a year to make. Compare to Japanese anime industry which churns out episodes weekly, it's not hard to understand that they have much more experience and practice than western animation.

Sorry for the long time to reply, but as I said, I was travelling.

Anyway, I was wondering if you were talking about films or tv shows here. Because if you're on about the former, in which case, you're wrong in saying that western animation rarely goes outside its comfort zone, to put it bluntly. Now, I assume you're on about tv shows here so I'll let you off, but even then I find it harder to agree with you, there are plenty of great non-sitcom animated shows to come out of America. The Disney shorts,Looney Toons and old Hanna Barbare cartoons like Scooby Doo are considered classics and even more recently you've had shows like Animaniacs, the 90s Hanna-Barbera cartoons (including Courage the Cowardly Dog, Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls etc.), the 90s Nickelodeon cartoons (such as Ren and Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Hey Arnold etc.) and even stuff that's still airing like Robot Chicken, Avatar and the behemoth that is Spongebob Squarepants are well received.

While you might argue that most of them are more targeted towards children than adults like a lot anime is, that's a fair point to say, but you can't say that western animation isn't varied. I mean all the shows I just listed are (in my opinion anyway) great shows, not to mention the sit-coms like The Simpsons, Family Guy and King of the Hill.

 

[twasdfzxcv]

Sorry for the long time to reply, but as I said, I was travelling.

Anyway, I was wondering if you were talking about films or tv shows here. Because if you're on about the former, in which case, you're wrong in saying that western animation rarely goes outside its comfort zone, to put it bluntly. Now, I assume you're on about tv shows here so I'll let you off, but even then I find it harder to agree with you, there are plenty of great non-sitcom animated shows to come out of America. The Disney shorts,Looney Toons and old Hanna Barbare cartoons like Scooby Doo are considered classics and even more recently you've had shows like Animaniacs, the 90s Hanna-Barbera cartoons (including Courage the Cowardly Dog, Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls etc.), the 90s Nickelodeon cartoons (such as Ren and Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Hey Arnold etc.) and even stuff that's still airing like Robot Chicken, Avatar and the behemoth that is Spongebob Squarepants are well received.

While you might argue that most of them are more targeted towards children than adults like a lot anime is, that's a fair point to say, but you can't say that western animation isn't varied. I mean all the shows I just listed are (in my opinion anyway) great shows, not to mention the sit-coms like The Simpsons, Family Guy and King of the Hill.

You're right in that I have ignore those children cartoons in my previous posts and discussion. I don't watch those things and they kind of slip my minds during my argument. I suppose you can say that the art style differs more in that category, but I'd still have to say not as much as the Japanese anime industry. However I'd still consider most of those children cartoons sitcoms.

If someone ask you what's the story of, let's say, spongebob squarepants or Scooby Doo, you can't answer him. What they have are settings, not stories. It's the problem with the industry and it's a problem that needs to be fix. Story needs progression and ultimately, an ending, both of which could potentially alienate fans and destroy franchise. The industry lives on status quo, the longer a franchise is running the more money they make. One the other hand Japanese anime are filled with shows that only runs a season or two, making rooms for new anime and new stories.

The movie industry is a totally different story because of the time and budget it has compare to a tv show. And quite frankly there's really no excuse for a bad movie, no matter where they come from.

However I wouldn't say that a straight to dvd production, like the dante's inferno example I used, is on par of a movie production. It's more similar to OVA of the anime world (original video animation).

 

[Squarez]

Sorry for the long time to reply, but as I said, I was travelling.

Anyway, I was wondering if you were talking about films or tv shows here. Because if you're on about the former, in which case, you're wrong in saying that western animation rarely goes outside its comfort zone, to put it bluntly. Now, I assume you're on about tv shows here so I'll let you off, but even then I find it harder to agree with you, there are plenty of great non-sitcom animated shows to come out of America. The Disney shorts,Looney Toons and old Hanna Barbare cartoons like Scooby Doo are considered classics and even more recently you've had shows like Animaniacs, the 90s Hanna-Barbera cartoons (including Courage the Cowardly Dog, Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls etc.), the 90s Nickelodeon cartoons (such as Ren and Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Hey Arnold etc.) and even stuff that's still airing like Robot Chicken, Avatar and the behemoth that is Spongebob Squarepants are well received.

While you might argue that most of them are more targeted towards children than adults like a lot anime is, that's a fair point to say, but you can't say that western animation isn't varied. I mean all the shows I just listed are (in my opinion anyway) great shows, not to mention the sit-coms like The Simpsons, Family Guy and King of the Hill.

You're right in that I have ignore those children cartoons in my previous posts and discussion. I don't watch those things and they kind of slip my minds during my argument. I suppose you can say that the art style differs more in that category, but I'd still have to say not as much as the Japanese anime industry. However I'd still consider most of those children cartoons sitcoms.

If someone ask you what's the story of, let's say, spongebob squarepants or Scooby Doo, you can't answer him. What they have are settings, not stories. It's the problem with the industry and it's a problem that needs to be fix. Story needs progression and ultimately, an ending, both of which could potentially alienate fans and destroy franchise. The industry lives on status quo, the longer a franchise is running the more money they make. One the other hand Japanese anime are filled with shows that only runs a season or two, making rooms for new anime and new stories.

The movie industry is a totally different story because of the time and budget it has compare to a tv show. And quite frankly there's really no excuse for a bad movie, no matter where they come from.

However I wouldn't say that a straight to dvd production, like the dante's inferno example I used, is on par of a movie production. It's more similar to OVA of the anime world (original video animation).

That's the problem with having a tv show that has universal appeal (a show that can be watched by both adults and kids, for those not in the know) is that it's hard to keep both audiences entertained and coming back for a coherent story. Avatar seemed to find that right balance, so hopefully in the future we'll see more programs like that.

Genuinely, thanks for an argument which didn't end up in a flame war. It's such a rarity.