Mortai Gravesend said:
I don't. But maybe you're not good at sarcasm even when I end it with 'Look I can make shit up too' -__-
I know sarcasm. It's the only language I speak, believe me.
Do you just want to admit that you don't know what a pathological liar is? Hint: Telling a lie in your lifetime doesn't qualify you.
I've met several pathological liars and that's not the kind of person I'm talking about.
I need to explain this to you? Okay, see, when people say something is true... it actually isn't necessarily true. They could be lying, they could be mistaken, they could have very poor standard of evidence before they believe something is true. Plenty of ways for them to be wrong. The way you verify it? Evidence they show you.
Condescending again, I see. At this point in the argument I still respect you as an opponent. Can we keep it that way, please? I can't have a civil argument with anybody in real life, but on the internet it shouldn't be too much to ask.
What basis do you have for believing it if you lack evidence to present? I mean honestly. "The moon is made of cheese!"
"What evidence do you have of that?"
"Whaaaaaaaat!? You expect me to provide evidence?! How am I supposed to do that?!"
Am I supposed to believe that you just magically know it's true for no reason at all?
That's what I meant with the conceptual part of it. If I said the moon was made of cheese, you can very clearly go to the moon and demonstrate to me that it is, in fact, not cheese. It's not as simple with something like this, where the honesty of a public poll is in question. It's the same thing as if I said "most people masturbate." I'm operating on the assumption that you live in the same society as I do and have gathered the same observations, but if I went around asking people if they masturbate, how many honest answers would I get? Maybe half, being generous.
If you can't prove it, then why shouldn't everyone just think you're making shit up?
Again,
if a poll like that would actually yield telling results, I would make sure I had something like that handy before making an assertion. But it's strictly a societal observation that I can never really know.
Why chill out when you're making an rather malicious accusation against women without evidence?
You're not understanding me. It's true, I made a blanket statement about women using sex as a manipulative tool. But I also said that people force themselves into the stereotype for the sake of normality. I would also say that, to keep the same wording, the VAST majority of males are very likely to accept almost any sexual advance by a moderately attractive woman. What I'm getting at is WHY it's that way, and my explanation is that people become stereotypes, because of stereotypes. It's actually tragic, when you consider how individuality is snuffed out in favor of social praise. But anyway...
And you can prove this? Oh wait, you don't believe in proof, it gets in the way of your ability to say whatever the hell you want to be true, doesn't it? And lol, what you expect me to take the idea of sexual frustration seriously? Oh boohoo, some people want sex and don't get it. I didn't get all the toys I wanted as a child, do I get sympathy for that too?
Don't try to get me with the I-dont-believe-in-proof angle. There's no reliable way to get proof for something like this, so, like I said, I'm operating on the assumption that you live in the same society as I do and can see the same cliches coming to life. The fact that you
don't doesn't mean that I think you're wrong. It's actually pretty interesting to me that you don't see it, when it seems so prevalent to me.
I didn't ask for evidence. I was talking about your apparent state of mind that rejects the notion of actually having evidence before coming to some batshit insane conclusion.
Refer to previous paragraph, and also the one about keeping things civil.
It's not like it's some kind of regular term.
That's why I didn't understand it.
You're saying something incredibly more specific than just that society has a warped way of looking at things. And I'd say you're just evidence that society has a warped way of looking at things with your ridiculously slanderous claims.
I'm not sure how much more I can convince you that I wasn't intending to be slanderous or sexist. I do think that people in general are shit, but I don't have anything against the entirety of the female population. I
do mean malice towards those who commit themselves to stereotypes, but I hate the "you're never gonna get a piece of this" girls as equally as I hate the "yo I tapped that shit" guys.
Yes, there are stereotypes that say men always want sex and women are sluts for having sex etc, etc. But they're not very relevant to the absurd claim you made about women and manipulation. Besides it being yet another absurd stereotype that simply lacks much to support it.
I'm saying it's self-reinforcing.
Look, if we could live in a world of perfect equality between the sexes, I'd be the first to sign up. But people act the way they think other people want them to act. And that's when you get this "lock and key" bullshit. As I said already, if people weren't perpetuating this stereotype for... god knows why (the only reason I can think of is the power trip that the female side gets, and the bragging rights that the male side gets) then I genuinely think that the same exact people,
without that mindset, would be sexually equal in opportunity and potency.
All I see is that it looks like you're trying to propose the idea that men get lucky to sleep with women but not the other way around. Which I just see as coming from the incorrect mindset that believes that nonsensical saying. It's not like women can just sleep with whoever they want.
No, it's the looming idea that men
should feel lucky that gives females an upper hand when it comes to their access to sex. It's a sort of "guys arent going to say no" kind of attitude that arises. Again, I don't follow this, because I have incredibly high standards, and if I feel like I'm being manipulated, I call them out on it. I think everyone has the self-control not to sleep with the first person to flirt with them, but it's
encouraged that men don't have any inhibitions. Which is kind of sick.
Yes, but I didn't criticize that part. I do take issue with the notion, but I didn't even quote that part of your post or address it in any way.
Well that was there as a disclaimer that I'm simply expressing my view of the "slut-shaming, stud-worshipping" phenomenon. Which, by the way, in case I haven't said it enough times, is a societal state of being that I absolutely loathe.
I do not see evidence that it is a real problem beyond people perpetuating it as truth.
That's because
it's not. That is precisely what I'm saying. People feel the need to conform to it because it's being upheld, and they feel the need to uphold it because they're conforming to it. It's the same as a man paying for dates. It's not fair, but people do it anyway because "that's how it is." And people continue the tradition, because "that's how I did it." It's a problem in every aspect of society, and if you want a better example that makes it seem less like I'm just whining about how "tough" it is to be a male, the same exact mindset is what let misogyny run rampant for so long.
