Anonymous goes after Mexican drug cartels

[Rawne1980]

Space saving snip of goodness.

Was in a bit of a rush heh, sorry I didn't clarify, but the 'anonymous revoked the threat' part.

I checked the links (on the thread you're tlaking about right?), maybe I didn't read them thoroughly enough? I didn't see any news article mention it, even after google searching.

And... wiki page?

As I said, I'm not quite up to date on this.

Also I forgot to add my opinion on this thread;

I have a feeling anonymous might be going a little too far. This is a much more sensetive situation.

EDIT: I like editing my posts.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.milenio.com%2Fcdb%2Fdoc%2Fnoticias2011%2Fd66c3c523c60b03240b8c4d4c4d79de4

Aaaaaand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbhwjas2J_8

Operation, whatever the hell they called it, has been cancelled.

Like I said earlier, screwing around with websites and shutting things down may lead to a little bit of trouble but screwing around with a group of people that would kill folks and think nothing of it is another thing entirely.

If Anonymous had gone through with it I would have changed my opinion on them.

Instead of thinking they are bunch of muppets I would have thought they were a bunch of moronic muppets.

 

[Jim Sturtridge]

Though the shit will definitively hit the fan-drug cartels are being threatened and for that they have become more hostile in recent years. though you threaten the people working for the cartel you probably won't be able to take down the cartel itself with just releasing information though it may weaken the infrastructure

 

[ecoho]

Los Zetas are made up of ruthless career criminals and ex-special forces from the Mexican military, they drive around the streets openly brandishing guns and not giving a fuck, they burn people alive in steel drums while throwing lead into said drum turning an innocent person into a soup of molten lead and body parts, they kidnap American citizens who come across the border without fear, the Mexican and American Governments together can't get rid of them, they train new members to use military weaponry and tactics, they make billions of dollars selling drugs, they turn children into cold blooded murderers.

HOW THE FUCK DOES ANON PLAN TO STOP THEM USING THE INTERNET WHEN TWO NORTH AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS HAVE TRIED EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO TAKE THEM DOWN?!?

just want to point out that the US hasn't actually tried to actively eliminate the cartels just their drug trade. mostly due to the fact that the Mexican government doesn't like the idea of the US carpet bombing large sections of their country.(and not to be insincere but their government is highly corrupted and lets face it there's no chance of this ending till that's taken care of)

Their are still government officials who aren't bought yet, and hell corrupt government hasn't stopped the wheels of justice, we got Pablo Escabar and he might as well have owned the whole country, if the American and Mexican governments were more cooperative we might be able to throw a wrench in their operation.

i know that not all of their government is corrupt and that there are allot of good people working to end the drug war , problems is they tend to be in the minority.
hell if they would work together (mostly if US officials would learn to trust Mexican officials) then we could go out and end this little war once in for all.

Too true, but too much of the U.S. just doesn't give a fuck, they think the whole problem is in Mexico, and to be fair the drugs and violence we get from the cartels on our side is nothing near as bad as in Mexico, it is still a very real danger, and it's spilling over more and more every year.

But the sad truth is a lot of Americans couldn't care less about Mexico's problems, despite the fact that any problem your neighbor has will eventually become your problem too.

well i wouldnt say we dont care we do its just most people dont want to get involved in another "War" (i dont call the Iraq thing a war more like an over due execution and humanitarian operation) in all truth if we did decide to go in and make this our war we would have to stop giving a dam what the UN thinks and use what ever means we can to win if that means using napalm so be it but at the moment or current government is too scared to take such an action so i guess im just wishing for something that will never happen.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

Los Zetas are made up of ruthless career criminals and ex-special forces from the Mexican military, they drive around the streets openly brandishing guns and not giving a fuck, they burn people alive in steel drums while throwing lead into said drum turning an innocent person into a soup of molten lead and body parts, they kidnap American citizens who come across the border without fear, the Mexican and American Governments together can't get rid of them, they train new members to use military weaponry and tactics, they make billions of dollars selling drugs, they turn children into cold blooded murderers.

HOW THE FUCK DOES ANON PLAN TO STOP THEM USING THE INTERNET WHEN TWO NORTH AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS HAVE TRIED EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO TAKE THEM DOWN?!?

just want to point out that the US hasn't actually tried to actively eliminate the cartels just their drug trade. mostly due to the fact that the Mexican government doesn't like the idea of the US carpet bombing large sections of their country.(and not to be insincere but their government is highly corrupted and lets face it there's no chance of this ending till that's taken care of)

Their are still government officials who aren't bought yet, and hell corrupt government hasn't stopped the wheels of justice, we got Pablo Escabar and he might as well have owned the whole country, if the American and Mexican governments were more cooperative we might be able to throw a wrench in their operation.

i know that not all of their government is corrupt and that there are allot of good people working to end the drug war , problems is they tend to be in the minority.
hell if they would work together (mostly if US officials would learn to trust Mexican officials) then we could go out and end this little war once in for all.

Too true, but too much of the U.S. just doesn't give a fuck, they think the whole problem is in Mexico, and to be fair the drugs and violence we get from the cartels on our side is nothing near as bad as in Mexico, it is still a very real danger, and it's spilling over more and more every year.

But the sad truth is a lot of Americans couldn't care less about Mexico's problems, despite the fact that any problem your neighbor has will eventually become your problem too.

well i wouldnt say we dont care we do its just most people dont want to get involved in another "War" (i dont call the Iraq thing a war more like an over due execution and humanitarian operation) in all truth if we did decide to go in and make this our war we would have to stop giving a dam what the UN thinks and use what ever means we can to win if that means using napalm so be it but at the moment or current government is too scared to take such an action so i guess im just wishing for something that will never happen.

I don't think that we'd have to worry about anyone but the Mexican Government, if they give us the OK we can send in anyone of our polices forces or S.O.G.s, or many of them.

I don't think that the U.N. will have anything to say if Mexico invites us to help, but the two governments are lightyears from helping each other.

And napalm and carpet bombing aren't the solutions, the cartels need 5 things to stay in buisness, suppliers, buyers, money, product, and guns. The DEA is great at tracking down leads, they do it all the time, what we need to do is track down whose selling them guns and drugs, whose buying the drugs, where the drugs are made or grown and where they keep their money, and fuck all that shit up, after that they will either go out of buisness, in which case there will be at least a bit of time where everything is nice until someone fills th evoid left behind, or their buisness will be so disrupted that they will lose almost all their power and become just another street gang, a problem that is much easier to fix than a full-blown organized crime syndacite.

 

[boag]

Yeah, either that or the US could just decriminalize hard drugs. That would kill off the majority of the cartel in one swoop, without wasting money or losing lives.

If the US decriminalizes hard drugs, is the US gonna decriminalize Slave trade too?

Comparing drug abuse to slave trade, are we?

I wont even bother. I see the point your making, but its a weak one.

IM not comparing anything.

People that keep saying that decriminalizing drugs will stop the cartels from doing what they do, keep forgetting that they also deal in slavery, and its just as profitable for them as the drug trade is.

Decriminalizing drugs is not a solution.

Excuse me, but yes it is.

First off, you cant compare the two. The slave trade is a business in which humans are, against their will, traded like objects, having to do their owners bidding in one way or another. They dont have a say over what happens to them.

Drug abuse, on the other hand? People who take hard drugs made a choice, took drugs with their own OK more often than not. Im not one of those people that will tell you drug addicts deserve to rot in the gutter for one bad choice, but consider that getting people off drugs would be a lot easier if people werent getting stuck in prison for years before they can go to rehab or attempt any type of therapy (remember that drugs are available in prisons too).

Make drugs more readily available, and you take out 70% of the cartels profit. Bam. How exactly will they fight a war now? How will they defend themselves against outsiders trying to disrupt their other trade? With plastic forks they stole at McDonalds? They wont be outgunning anyone anymore, since they cant afford the damn weapons. You can also bet your ass that the drug trade disappearing would through criminal organizations into chaos, which would further help authorities in halting the slave trade too.

Drugs are the biggest business for criminals, and the US is the biggest market. Taking away the entire market would shatter the cartels. Can you really not see how this would work against the slave trade too? Legalizing slave trade cannot be done, for obvious reasons, theres a few basic human rights being violated there. Drugs are an entire different case.

Im sorry, but if you really do think otherwise, I have to ask how you would go about taking down the cartels.

(Now lets hope I dont get shot.)

First off, No its not a solution to eliminating the cartels.

2: I am not, READ NOT comparing drug trade to human trafficking, and Yes,

3: Yes, drug trade might be the Cartels main income source, I say MIGHT because there are no reliable statistics on how much cash the Cartels have in their pockets, or how much comes from, Extorsion, Kidnapping, Slave Trade and Weapons Trafficking, all which are very profitable things the Cartels deal in.

4: you assume that by legitimizing the Drug trade, the Cartels will no longer profit from it, if the heads of the cartel can maintain their identities secret for DECADES, do you think they wont be able to shift from criminal activity to respected Legitimate one?

Finally, to answer your question, I have no positive clue aside from the Mexican and US governments opening up a joint cross border Army to hunt down the cartels, but that is as likely as someone coming up with a renewal power source that never depletes itself.

 

[SillyBear]

Umm ... since when did Mexican Drug Cartels have websites, or use email or do anything that a bunch of nerds sitting behind computers can fuck with? What are they going to do? Hack www.mexicandrugcartelsunited.com? They don't work like that.

There are a lot of comments like these.

Did you not watch the video?

They are planning to release photographs and details of people who are aiding the Cartels. They aren't planning on hacking them..

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Call my cynical, but I don't think this is going to end well. Aren't the Cartels incredibly, incredibly powerful? I don't think this threat is going to mean anything to them.

 

[hermes]

Please, are you honestly going to tell me a group of entitled teenagers with lots of free time are actually going risk their lives and step down of the hill of social benefits they have (given by real social heroes) to try to fight injustice?

Actually, they are not: http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/11/01/1937238/anonymous-cancels-drug-ring-attack

"Anonymous supporters have backed off threats to expose Zeta drug gang collaborators, an operation launched in early October as a retaliation for an alleged kidnapping of an Anonymous follower by the Mexico-based drug gang. Members of Anonymous had posted a video claiming the group could identify journalists, police officers, and taxi drivers who collaborate with the Zeta crime syndicate. Zeta has not shied away from targeting its online critics. In September the crime group hung two people from an overpass warning bloggers and 'online snitches' to beware. The decapitated body of another social-media reporter was found later with a similar warning. Worried about the impact on both misidentified people and Anonymous followers, other supporters of the Anonymous movement worked to dismantle the operation over the weekend. In effect, the group canceled the attack, according to online news site Milenio."

As expected, the moment they realized they could be killed for real instead of slapped on the back of the hand for being "bad boys", they run back to their basements...

 

[000Ronald]

Umm ... since when did Mexican Drug Cartels have websites, or use email or do anything that a bunch of nerds sitting behind computers can fuck with? What are they going to do? Hack www.mexicandrugcartelsunited.com? They don't work like that.

There are a lot of comments like these.

Did you not watch the video?

They are planning to release photographs and details of people who are aiding the Cartels. They aren't planning on hacking them..

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Call my cynical, but I don't think this is going to end well. Aren't the Cartels incredibly, incredibly powerful? I don't think this threat is going to mean anything to them.

They're powerful in mexico, and a little in the US, but worldwide? Not as much. What's more, if a bunch of white kids get executed, gangland style, people will take notice, and more bad things will happen.

I'm not sure what Anon hopes to do, but they best tread carefully. There are a lot of innocent lives that could get caught in the crossfire.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

I don't think the drug cartels use the internet to do drug deals or kill people. Unless there's a way to interfere with their phone and texting signals, then maybe that would be helpful for a while.

 

[000Ronald]

I don't think the drug cartels use the internet to do drug deals or kill people. Unless there's a way to interfere with their phone and texting signals, then maybe that would be helpful for a while.

In that sense you're right, but that's not what they're doing. They're going to release the names of various cartel members and associates.

Or something. I'm not clear on the details. I don't think anyone is.

 

[ssgt splatter]

Release the information anyway Anonymous! I feel sorry for your buddy and everything but still, go ahead and tell us where some of these bastards are hiding so we can send a Reaper drone to their houses and blow the shit out of them!

 

[repeating integers]

I don't think the drug cartels use the internet to do drug deals or kill people. Unless there's a way to interfere with their phone and texting signals, then maybe that would be helpful for a while.

In that sense you're right, but that's not what they're doing. They're going to release the names of various cartel members and associates.

Or something. I'm not clear on the details. I don't think anyone is.

Well, except they're not anymore. It's official, been confirmed, they've called it off.

 

[000Ronald]

I don't think the drug cartels use the internet to do drug deals or kill people. Unless there's a way to interfere with their phone and texting signals, then maybe that would be helpful for a while.

In that sense you're right, but that's not what they're doing. They're going to release the names of various cartel members and associates.

Or something. I'm not clear on the details. I don't think anyone is.

Well, except they're not anymore. It's official, been confirmed, they've called it off.

I saw something, but it seemed unclear. And the only video I could find was in spanish, which I am less than fluent in.

 

[Vandenberg1]

Anon should stop being a Hacktivist group and start being an Activist group. Hacktivism wont do much against a Cartel, but real-life Activism could.

How about FREEZING their accounts? That will end EVERY DRUG ORGANIZATION

 

[klaynexas3]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.milenio.com%2Fcdb%2Fdoc%2Fnoticias2011%2Fd66c3c523c60b03240b8c4d4c4d79de4

for those that say "oh, well they won't do it" read to the bottom and it says that part of the group is still going ahead with it. it's a loose organization, so even if part of the group wants to cancel it, the other part will. if they do, while it might not do much, i'm still glad to know that anonymous actually cares about the people in their own group enough to risk their lives to save the kidnapped member. if they go through with this, my respect for them will go up more so. while it isn't a smart idea, and they probably realize this, it's at least honorable.

 

[000Ronald]

Anon should stop being a Hacktivist group and start being an Activist group. Hacktivism wont do much against a Cartel, but real-life Activism could.

How about FREEZING their accounts? That will end EVERY DRUG ORGANIZATION

If I understand correctly, the drug cartels only trade cash, in order to avoid that.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

I don't think the drug cartels use the internet to do drug deals or kill people. Unless there's a way to interfere with their phone and texting signals, then maybe that would be helpful for a while.

In that sense you're right, but that's not what they're doing. They're going to release the names of various cartel members and associates.

Or something. I'm not clear on the details. I don't think anyone is.

Not sure if that will help either. If anything, it's just going to perpetuate more violence and killings that continues to go in the cities, with the possibilities of higher death rate for casualties.

 

[.No.]

I understand liking V for Vendetta but is that a good enough reason to due every plan you have in the works on the same day, seems like your gonna stretch yourself thin all for the cause of movie fandom.

It's not about V for Vendetta. November 5th is the day Guy Fawkes(actual one) was captured and the Gunpowder Plot failed. V for Vendetta only potentially taught them about it (I know someone who used to be in Anonymous, and already knew about Guy Fawkes).

 

[000Ronald]

I don't think the drug cartels use the internet to do drug deals or kill people. Unless there's a way to interfere with their phone and texting signals, then maybe that would be helpful for a while.

In that sense you're right, but that's not what they're doing. They're going to release the names of various cartel members and associates.

Or something. I'm not clear on the details. I don't think anyone is.

Not sure if that will help either. If anything, it's just going to perpetuate more violence and killings that continues to go in the cities, with the possibilities of higher death rate for casualties.

I said something like that, actually. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.320829-Anonymous-goes-after-Mexican-drug-cartels?page=4#13118483] Just more subtly.