Anonymous has a plan

[Floppertje]

And on that other note; no you do not need to give up all technology in order to grow your own food, all you need is fertile land and a little bit of time to plant a garden, like you know, a weekend.

no. doesn't work like that. yes, you COULD probably grow food when you do have a garden and it might be possible to do it beside a job, but there's no way in hell you could live of it.
besides, a lot of COUNTRIES can't feed themselves because their land isn't fertile enough or too mountainous. how do you think that'd work if everyone did it for themselves, thereby making farming less intensive? besides, do you really wanna give up that pizza? you can only grow so much in each climate, and I for one am happy that I can get food from other parts of the world.

but I DO like the vid. sure, what he's suggesting won't work, but he's standing up for something he believes in and that alone is worth something and the problem he is describing is real. put me down for team 'I see it'. bravo sir.

 

[Hugga_Bear]

It's not anon. Or at least, I really doubt it's Anonymous. It's not their style, it's not their game. Sounds to me like some stupid kid who thinks he's part of a cool group and trying to show off.

 

[Death Prophet]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. But seriously, thats tens minutes of my life I can never get back. Shame on you for wasting my time. If that vid is genuine these people need to grow up. If it is not I say touché to whomever made Anonymous look like idiots. People have been making grandiose claims of anarchy for as long as people have had ideals. This is nothing new and they will change nothing, but in the process may annoy those of us upstanding citizens with lives time and time again.

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

Anonymous, by definition, does not have a plan.

 

[ultrachicken]

To me, this is proof that Anonymous is filled with nothing but angsty teens. The world is in the best condition it has ever been throughout history. We're not fighting a world war or fighting a deadly plague or having every other child die before reaching adulthood.

Furthermore, America is a democracy. If you want a change in power, you don't try to cause revolution, you utilize your ability to vote, dumbasses.

 

[9thRequiem]

Anonymous' plan :

1 : Hax.
2 : ????
3 : Lulz.

 

[Baby Tea]

Our money is worthless since there is nothing to back it up, some people even believe there's actually no gold in Fort Knox anymore cause we sold it, but green paper won't help you when the economy callopses. Learning to buy and sell without the government's notes could be important.

All of that matters...for the US.
You see, the only reason the US isn't a worse economic wreck is because the world has been using the USD as the world currency. If times really get bad, they'll stop. They'll use the Euro or something. And then shit really goes down. But with China picking up the manufacturing slack, and out-sourcing going on like crazy, everyone BUT the US will recover.

The problem with this Anonymous crap, is that they are so sadly naive.

Break off the currency system? Gold IS currency. The metal is valuable because we say it is, just like money. The only difference is it's not tied to one government. And while that seems like the great selling point, it's not. Currency has way more benefits over gold dubloons. Anyone who can't see them isn't fit to make 'viva la revolution' videos.

Grow our own food? That, now, is freaking retarded. The guys making this video obviously live comfortably in comfortable homes. Where the heck are people supposed to grow their own food? I have a very small balcony in my apartment. My wife already grows vegetables out there. There isn't even REMOTELY enough room to grow enough food to feed the two of us. This romantic idea of 'we need to go back' and 'we need full self sufficiency' is beyond uneducated. It's freaking retarded.

Anarchy as a system of government or living has got to be one of the most painfully naive worldviews I have had the pleasure of stumbling across. I'm not saying our current system is perfect. Far from it. But this BS video has the answers? Has ANY answers? No. No it doesn't. It has movie quotes and all the romanticized, mellow-dramatic naivete of an angst ridden 14 year old (Or a 35 year old who can't grow up). There aren't answers there. No solutions. Just a Pandora's box of new problems.

 

[Deathninja19]

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Good points. Also Anonymous is growing. It has gone beyond a few dozen on 4chan to many hundreds across the globe. by years end there might be thousands. This is how revolutions begin, and since there are thousands upon thousands of people who are disatisfied with the status quo and sick of politicians fucking them over across the world... Yeah we are ripe for a revolution. I just hope it doesnt end up being violant.

OK, I'm getting tired of this, is there any body in the real world ie people who don't spend a lot of time on the internet who know or care about Anon? The most I would say 'normal' people know of them is that either they are a bunch of hackers or at worst terrorists (and yes technically they are, one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist). These people will never achieve anything physical because the majority of people don't care about them, the most emotion anon could hope to achieve is to get people angry if they disrupt a service they enjoy, OK maybe they'd get a laugh if they reveal an embarassing government secret like wikileaks did, and that's it. Anon is too disorganised to do anything of worth together because the minute they do organise they stop being Anonymous.

And that whole violence thing had me laughing when I think of anon I just imagine a thousand pasty white nerds, good luck overthrowing anything with that army.

EDIT: Totally agree with the guy above me. The gold thing makes me laugh the most.

 

[Captain Underbeard]

To me, this is proof that Anonymous is filled with nothing but angsty teens. The world is in the best condition it has ever been throughout history. We're not fighting a world war or fighting a deadly plague or having every other child die before reaching adulthood.

The world is in the best condition it's ever been...but there are problems we need to contend with. As far as quality of life goes - I doubt there's ever been a greater gap between the rich and the poor. And I would argue that this is because of over-population, as we have been so successful as a species. The amount of resources in the world per person has dropped dramatically - think about - if the world were to share its resources equally, today we'd have a seventh of the share of resources our great-grandparents had 100 years ago (it goes on the logic "the amount of resources in the world has remained relatively fixed, but the amount of people has increased seven-fold", and whilst that isn't quite right, I doubt today's world has even three times as many resources available as 100 years ago).

But I wholeheartedly agree with Korolev - I haven't quoted you properly, but I thought I should give you some recognition.

EDIT:: If you wanna see a revolution, just watch what's happening in North Africa and the Middle East. Those there are real revolutionaries (what they're brining in, that's another story)

Blasting us back to more primitive times is not the way forward. There are far more positive, future-leaning ways to do so. Destorying the system we live in is not the way to do it - evolving it, re-purposing it even, is the way forward. We have to build on what exists, not tear it down, start anew, and set our progress as a species back. The answer to over-population, for example, isn't mass-murdering people till we have a more steady state - it's education on family planning, changing peoples attitudes to large famalies, and generating more resources so everyone can have some. The answer to a flawed system isn't to blast it away - it's to fix it and heal it from within.

Disasters will happen. Wars will happen. We shouldn't live in comfort - comfort makes us soft, unprepared, complacent. We need to be ready to act. The advice that the video gives is good - invest in goods rather than currencies. Learn how to make your own produce (NOTE: This doesn't mean 'go out and grow your own food', people are just adding in what they think is the logical leap from such a statement. It simply means 'be educated'). It is important to know the world around you, to not be blind, to be aware. Ignore the posturing crap and take that away from the video.

And on an off-point

Furthermore, America is a democracy. If you want a change in power, you don't try to cause revolution, you utilize your ability to vote, dumbasses.

I always consider America's political system to be like the British. Yes, it is democratic. But in Britain, you only really choose between three political parties - no other party comes close in terms of influence, recognisibility, wealth, power. And they're all fairly similar - think of it as different shades of grey. You potentially have a choice between 10s of parties - but if you want your vote to count, you vote for one of the three - no-one else will ever get in power through the current system. And from our view in the UK, in America it's the same - talk is only ever about Republicans or Democrats, and no-one else - you can vote for anyone, but realistically your choice only between two not-that-different (according to the whole possible political spectrum) political parties.

 

[ultrachicken]

To me, this is proof that Anonymous is filled with nothing but angsty teens. The world is in the best condition it has ever been throughout history. We're not fighting a world war or fighting a deadly plague or having every other child die before reaching adulthood.

The world is in the best condition it's ever been...but there are problems we need to contend with. As far as quality of life goes - I doubt there's ever been a greater gap between the rich and the poor. And I would argue that this is because of over-population, as we have been so successful as a species. The amount of resources in the world per person has dropped dramatically - think about - if the world were to share its resources equally, today we'd have a seventh of the share of resources our great-grandparents had 100 years ago (it goes on the logic "the amount of resources in the world has remained relatively fixed, but the amount of people has increased seven-fold", and whilst that isn't quite right, I doubt today's world has even three times as many resources available as 100 years ago).

But I wholeheartedly agree with Korolev - I haven't quoted you properly, but I thought I should give you some recognition.

Blasting us back to more primitive times is not the way forward. There are far more positive, future-leaning ways to do so. Destorying the system we live in is not the way to do it - evolving it, re-purposing it even, is the way forward. We have to build on what exists, not tear it down, start anew, and set our progress as a species back. The answer to over-population, for example, isn't mass-murdering people till we have a more steady state - it's education on family planning, changing peoples attitudes to large famalies, and generating more resources so everyone can have some. The answer to a flawed system isn't to blast it away - it's to fix it and heal it from within.

Disasters will happen. Wars will happen. We shouldn't live in comfort - comfort makes us soft, unprepared, complacent. We need to be ready to act. The advice that the video gives is good - invest in goods rather than currencies. Learn how to make your own produce (NOTE: This doesn't mean 'go out and grow your own food', people are just adding in what they think is the logical leap from such a statement. It simply means 'be educated'). It is important to know the world around you, to not be blind, to be aware. Ignore the posturing crap and take that away from the video.

And on an off-point

Furthermore, America is a democracy. If you want a change in power, you don't try to cause revolution, you utilize your ability to vote, dumbasses.

I always consider America's political system to be like the British. Yes, it is democratic. But in Britain, you only really choose between three political parties - no other party comes close in terms of influence, recognisibility, wealth, power. And they're all fairly similar - think of it as different shades of grey. You potentially have a choice between 10s of parties - but if you want your vote to count, you vote for one of the three - no-one else will ever get in power through the current system. And from our view in the UK, in America it's the same - talk is only ever about Republicans or Democrats, and no-one else - you can vote for anyone, but realistically your choice only between two not-that-different (according to the whole possible political spectrum) political parties.

I realize that the world still has problems, but the video claims that the world is in the worst state it has ever been. I was calling them out on their overdramatic bullshit.

If a vast amount of people wanted a change - the amount needed for a violent uprising against a government - they could easily vote in whatever they wanted to happen.

 

[erztez]

Furthermore, America is a democracy. If you want a change in power, you don't try to cause revolution, you utilize your ability to vote, dumbasses.

No, it's not.
The USA are a REPUBLIC.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

(quick google search, cba to type the whole thing out, but it's pretty much spot on).

Also, with only two parties to choose from, and both being corrupt (I'm pretty sure we can all agree on THAT), how exactly is voting going to solve the problem?

 

[erztez]

If a vast amount of people wanted a change - the amount needed for a violent uprising against a government - they could easily vote in whatever they wanted to happen.

No...they couldn't.
Do you really believe that the people currently in power (not the people you elected btw), will actually give that power up because you say so?
No, they'll just buy whoever it is you elect next.

 

[Captain Underbeard]

I realize that the world still has problems, but the video claims that the world is in the worst state it has ever been. I was calling them out on their overdramatic bullshit.

If a vast amount of people wanted a change - the amount needed for a violent uprising against a government - they could easily vote in whatever they wanted to happen.

Agreed, on the point about the over-dramatising. But you need to have a strong, emotive message to recruit people to your cause? Whoever made the video is trying to get people to follow them (whether for good or ill).

As for the bit about easily voting in - disagreed. Technically, yes, they could vote them in. But 1/ they'd need a powerful alternative to vote for, and 2/ they need to rely on the people in power playing fair. I don't doubt the American government would play fair (ehhh, well maybe I do, they are politicians after all), but there are plenty of examples of people in power not playing fair in a 'democratic' system.

 

[Legendsmith]

"Anonymous has a plan"

which means some dude with Adobe Premiere is uploading videos to youtube and calling himself Anon.

Got it in one, I reckon.
As hillyfarmer123 on YT has put it:
"This isn't anonymous, some guys shitty idea just slapped anonymous over the top to gather views, hell they even base their whole forum on forumotion - which can easily close or trace every member on the forum.

This whole 'plan' is a failure before it took off"

I agree with him; it's just one or two guys who have an idea and have slapped the anon logo on it.

But that's just part of anon; the fact that anone can do taht. Most anons probably think this is bad.

This isn't in the style of most "anon" YT videos because these people are not the usual anons.

 

[ReservoirAngel]

The best thing for me is the use of the Guy Fawkes mask. V for Vendetta doesn't really elaborate on it, but Guy Fawkes was trying to blow up Parliament so that Protestantism in England would end, therefore reinstating the wonderfully and not at all oppressive Catholic Church as a major ruling force in England. Sweet, sweet irony. I love those guys.

I always find this paradox of ideas funny in regards to Anonymous and even to V for Vendetta. Everyone just sees the 'blowing up government' thing and thinks Fawkes was some epic rebel against established society.

 

[cfb_rolley]

I'm surprised their plan isn't 1. spread the word 2. ??? 3. PROFIT!!!!

^^indeed.

OT: imo this is in no way related to anon, it is far to focused on the real world rather than the interwebz and technology.

edit: also, sounds far to pretentious (is that spelt right?)

If it lasts more than a few weeks and actually gathers notable support, I'll be surprised. I used to lurk /b/ every now and then, anon doesn't usually have much of an attention span. But if it does gain momentum, it could be rather interesting watching what happens.

 

[Hammartroll]

To me, this is proof that Anonymous is filled with nothing but angsty teens. The world is in the best condition it has ever been throughout history. We're not fighting a world war or fighting a deadly plague or having every other child die before reaching adulthood.

The world is in the best condition it's ever been...but there are problems we need to contend with. As far as quality of life goes - I doubt there's ever been a greater gap between the rich and the poor. And I would argue that this is because of over-population, as we have been so successful as a species. The amount of resources in the world per person has dropped dramatically - think about - if the world were to share its resources equally, today we'd have a seventh of the share of resources our great-grandparents had 100 years ago (it goes on the logic "the amount of resources in the world has remained relatively fixed, but the amount of people has increased seven-fold", and whilst that isn't quite right, I doubt today's world has even three times as many resources available as 100 years ago).

But I wholeheartedly agree with Korolev - I haven't quoted you properly, but I thought I should give you some recognition.

EDIT:: If you wanna see a revolution, just watch what's happening in North Africa and the Middle East. Those there are real revolutionaries (what they're brining in, that's another story)

Blasting us back to more primitive times is not the way forward. There are far more positive, future-leaning ways to do so. Destorying the system we live in is not the way to do it - evolving it, re-purposing it even, is the way forward. We have to build on what exists, not tear it down, start anew, and set our progress as a species back. The answer to over-population, for example, isn't mass-murdering people till we have a more steady state - it's education on family planning, changing peoples attitudes to large famalies, and generating more resources so everyone can have some. The answer to a flawed system isn't to blast it away - it's to fix it and heal it from within.

Disasters will happen. Wars will happen. We shouldn't live in comfort - comfort makes us soft, unprepared, complacent. We need to be ready to act. The advice that the video gives is good - invest in goods rather than currencies. Learn how to make your own produce (NOTE: This doesn't mean 'go out and grow your own food', people are just adding in what they think is the logical leap from such a statement. It simply means 'be educated'). It is important to know the world around you, to not be blind, to be aware. Ignore the posturing crap and take that away from the video.

And on an off-point

Furthermore, America is a democracy. If you want a change in power, you don't try to cause revolution, you utilize your ability to vote, dumbasses.

I always consider America's political system to be like the British. Yes, it is democratic. But in Britain, you only really choose between three political parties - no other party comes close in terms of influence, recognisibility, wealth, power. And they're all fairly similar - think of it as different shades of grey. You potentially have a choice between 10s of parties - but if you want your vote to count, you vote for one of the three - no-one else will ever get in power through the current system. And from our view in the UK, in America it's the same - talk is only ever about Republicans or Democrats, and no-one else - you can vote for anyone, but realistically your choice only between two not-that-different (according to the whole possible political spectrum) political parties.

I think you said it best, thank you for being understanding and logical. Indeed, the point of learning to grow your food now is not to immediately stop using corporate food, but so that when the shit hits the fan and food prices go up or production goes down, you won't be a lamb for the slaughter.

I agree even more with the idea of finding peacefull solutions to accomodate the population we already have. The idea of pressing a red button and restarting the planet is entertaining, but the practice (if were being at all serious) is awfully tradgic. And the reason why I take this seriously is because there really are peope who believe our pop should be around 500,000 and I think like, surely there's some other answer.

And yes, until people become educated enough to elect a third party candidate (as opposed to the 2 parties in the US) I doubt anyone from the Democrats or Republicans will be able to truely solve anything IMO.

 

[Captain Underbeard]

I think you said it best, thank you for being understanding and logical. Indeed, the point of learning to grow your food now is not to immediately stop using corporate food, but so that when the shit hits the fan and food prices go up or production goes down, you won't be a lamb for the slaughter.

I have to agree with a number of people who were trying to point out that, even if we do learn about farming and agriculture, there isn't enough room for us to do something about it on an individual level - I look at my garden out the window, and figure that even if I used every bit of soil, I would only have enough soil to plant maybe two months worth of food - if I'm lucky. Whatever happens, I would have to rely on others to obtain the majority of my food.

Now, there's nothing wrong with working with others in a collective, growing food together on a large plot of land, one that sustains us all. But we need water - we need clothes - we need warmth - we need plenty of other basic amenities. Either we learn about all of them too, or we specialise and become experts in a particular field and let others focus on other areas we need. And so a barter economy is again created - I trade you some of my crops for clothes. I may even learn to expertly cook and prepare all my crops for people, and for that I am given an agreed upon quantity of water by the water gatherer. And so on. And the basis for a barter economy is made anew.