Anonymous Members Arrested for Performing DDOS Attacks

[RvLeshrac]

I say we should have a hacker war! First attacks should be placed on Encyclopedia dramatics and 4chan and move out from there.

Nice way to get Escapist DDoSed, there.

What can you even charge someone for a DDOS attack? I'm curious cause its like no more than a slap on the wrist to me

You deny a company the ability to earn money for a good deal of time. Its like gluing the door to a shop shut, not allowing customers to get in. In short: vandalism.

Vandalists can get everything from 1 week to 10 years, depending on their damage and cooperation. Anon is hated by the law enforcements, and some even view them as terrorists. Doing the bidding of a terror group, nomatter how small the task is, is a pretty serious charge

Imo, they wont get the terror-label through. They will be charged for vandalism, and probably have to pay for the damage (which is, depending on the companies they fucked, up to millions of dollars). Kids need to freakin learn consequenses, and it seems these need it the hard way.

Except it isn't. DDoSing is like clogging the entrance to a shop, which is perfectly legal. People *can* still get in and shop, but the difficulty of working past the protesters turns most people off. That, and few people will cross a picket line.

They also didn't have nearly enough bandwidth in the LOIC to take Amazon down, nor did they actually impact the credit card business, as they were attacking websites, not the payment processing.

 

[Anton P. Nym]

Basically, the digital equivalent of a sit in protest gets treated as a crime and people here are cheering for the facists?

*horselaugh* That's not a sit-in... a real sit-in involves making an actual effort, having a real message to convey to those who own the site being sat-in, and being willing to actually get arrested if that's what's required to make the point.

These chumlies sat on their duffs in their mothers' basements own comfy chairs, communicated nothing to the target sites beyond random junk-data, and never expected to be caught. They're not protesters, they're also-rans.

I'd also say that they harmed bystanders a lot more than sit-in protest would've. What about people trying to make purchases or payments over Visa and Paypal? (Gene Simmons, not so much on the innocent bystanders thing... but DDoS is lame anyway.)

You want to make a real point about Wikileaks? Write your MP/Senator/whatever. Sign a real petition, not an e-waste-of-time. Do something that requires some effort, because it's the effort that underlines the seriousness of the message.

Letting yourself become a two-legged bot-net is not political action.

-- Steve

PS: reCaptcha sucks again, with the distorted non-words. I refuse to accept a failing mark on a Turing Test because of poor design, ya gits.

PPS: I also find it incredibly inappropriate to protest censorship by imposing more censorship, which is the best result that DDoS can give.

 

[benbenthegamerman]

i feel neutral about this, i guess...

oh wait, no i don't!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG16pfDZ3CM

 

[Sansha]

Scotland Yard Police Central e-Crime Unit

For fuck's sake. Really? That exists? And is staffed by adult people who wear ties and hats and drive cars?

 

[benbenthegamerman]

I really don't want to sound too much like a /b/tard here, but...

Spoiler: They were backtraced by the cyberpolice?

Yep, they got them with their space lazers.

I guess you could say that....

(removes glasses)

...They Done Goofed.


YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

 

[Callate]

Le shrug. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Whether it will have any significant effect on the rest of Anon is an open question- and that's not rhetorical. It could be that the first sign of real repercussions to their actions will lead to some dark nights of the soul; it's also possible that we're about to see DDoSs launched at Scotland Yard.

 

[Hat Man]

The Low Orbit Ion Cannon (LOIC) is not a recent development. It is a very old program.

Most of the DDoS attacks preformed by anon are done with the LOIC.

 

[doomboy29]

Now I wonder if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

 

[PlaidHatter]

In the banner picture: "Their only crime is curiousity"

Really, guys? I could see you saying something like that for wikileaks, but for small-time script-running bums who get "lulz" from DDoSing sites? Their curiosity to what, exactly?

OT: I find it hard to have any sympathy towards those arrested. They knew what they were doing was a gray-area at best. At least some sort of consequence was initiated.

 

[PlaidHatter]

[double post, my bad]

 

[Asehujiko]

hurr when I was a kid we walked 10 miles in the snow, uphill both ways to do politics

Except that Anonymous members did attempt physical protests against power abusing cartels(Scientology at that time), which were ignored(or had tear gas grenades fired at them) and are now doing exactly the same with websites. Or are you expecting us to DDOS with 3G equipped devices while sitting on their sidewalk, waiting for another "McPearson" incident?

 

[Milkman Dan]

Suddenly, downloading a program and running it is "hacking."

 

[LogicNProportion]

*Facepalms due to lack of research*

First off, Anonymous is not just an online group. It is truly what the group name means. Anyone you don't know is anonymous, which makes the group's ways so effective and hard to trace. More or less, everyone on here is anonymous. We have our avatars, but do you know my face? You know the information I put as my name, sex, and location, but are those really true at all?

Also, 'Anonymous' as the active group that creates the DDoS attacks/etc, started on ebaumsworld.

Greg Tito, The Register, Root of all Evil...I am disappoint.

: /

-LnP

 

[Anton P. Nym]

hurr when I was a kid we walked 10 miles in the snow, uphill both ways to do politics

Oh like totally gamers deserve reward without risk, praise without effort, and results with out action LOL.

When Anonymous actually did more than phone/ping it in, they got their news coverage and made their point. (Tear gas? [font color="blue"][citation needed][/font]) When they sat on their well-marbled haunches and whined from their living rooms over TCP/IP, then, yeah of course they got ignored.

You get political results by showing that you want them badly enough, and that requires demonstrating that you're willing to put some skin into the game. It could just be the effort to collect a bunch of dead-tree signatures, or it could be showing the willingness to risk arrest and prosecution.

Not doing so makes your point easy to laugh off as the whims of dilletantes.

-- Steve

 

[theheroofaction]

Finally some of these overconfident idiots got arrested. this shit has finally gotten real.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Incidentally "[...] the Scotland Yard Police Central e-Crime Unit was able to target five individuals early Thursday morning in coordinated raids throughout lower England."
'Lower England'? No! That doesn't make any sense even if you substitute 'Lower' with 'Southern'. It wasn't a series of Home Counties raids, they were split up across England.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought 'what the hell?"Lower England?"' on reading that. Forget where they were, just "lower" anywhere sounds odd. Lower USA? Lower Germany? Maybe the lower Andes or Rhine, referring to a mountain range or river but Lower England? Wierd.

I have a lot of time on my hands today.

OT, well people, playing at amateur hackers all sounds fun until you realise you're breaking the law and could well do time for what you probably considered to be no more than a childrens prank.

 

[Gindil]

I wonder what was going through their heads when they were arrested.

They took down a website, they didn't hurt anyone...

And they're martyrs for the cause.

This reminds me of the comic book V...

 

[Labcoat Samurai]

I just mean that people see them as a secret group with leaders and membership. Whereas they are much more like a bunch of dudes who don't know each other with masks on looting stores because one of them said it would be fun. I could eat at Mcdonalds, and if I had a mask on I could be "Representing anonymous".

Yeah, you're right. They aren't like some kind of insidious hacker Al Qaeda or something. They're basically a mob, and like with any mob, there always arise a few instigators with charisma to direct the mob. But yeah, you're absolutely correct.

 

[Labcoat Samurai]

Except, you see, it DOESN'T have organizers.

None with any official capacity, no, but it has mob instigators who have the charisma to direct the mob, which is what I was referring to.

And it DOES just mill about destroying indiscriminately.

And yet 4 of its targets, in a row, were Wikileaks protests. That's not indiscriminate. Maybe they are, often, but they clearly aren't *always*

Anyone who feels like it just logs onto 4chan, posts a "hey we should totally do this, you guys in?" thread, and if they're lucky, Anonymous has just struck again.

There might be a tad more to it than luck, but sure, I didn't mean to suggest that anyone had an official recognized position. That's specifically why I chose mobs as an analogy. Not the mafia, mind you, I mean a mob of people.