Anonymous PSN Attackers Arrested in Spain

[Canid117]

How do I know that Spain probably doesn't understand that they did nothing to actually harm anon in the long run? They used the term leaders in reference to Anonymous.

Also, whether you feel it stupid or smart, it shouldn't be your choice, my choice or anons choice on what people can and can't do with their own information. Its theirs to use as they please regardless on whether its a good decision or not. Thats the freedom they should have. What right does anyone have to take that away from them?.

You have me there, everyone has the right to be stupid. I was just caring to much for others.

Nothing wrong with caring about others. However there's a big difference between telling a fellow that he should lock his door more often in case of burglars, and breaking in to steal his shit just to prove a point .

That is mildly inaccurate. What anonymous did was notice that a bank keeps its vault unlocked at night and so broke down the front door and took a shit on the floor to prove a point. Sure they are huge dicks for doing this but at least they didn't steal anything.

 

[669]

It's not Anonymous *facepalm* If you'd have any knowledge about Anonymous you would understand that they don't realy have any reason to hack PSN and these guys were also wanted for trying to hack into bank systems, if anything Anonymous definetly don't do things for profit so blaming this on them is just ignorant and stupid.

 

[FamoFunk]

Hurrah!
But, really? Three years for all that? hmm

 

[MattAn24]

The Internet exists for being anonymouse, we don't live in a police state or something so people shouldn't give away their info. You'll understand when you live in one. Freedom is the most important thing in the world. What are the ideals of Anonymouse: Freedom. You can't live in freedom when others know to much about you.

No, the internet does not exist for being anonymous, it can be used for being anonymous but that's not what it exists for. As for the freedom part. As said earlier we should be free to decide how much info we want to share, we should be free to make our own decisions. If anonymous did attack PSN and did do it to teach us not to give up our credit details then they are no better than your average dictator. They don't want us to be free, they want us to go by their ideas, we are free to do as they tell us.

You want to share your info online? well we don't want you to do that... so we're going to hack into the PSN then spread all your info across the web to teach you that you should do as I we say. Even on the flip side, if they were doing it to teach us the dangers... that's like bombing a downtown area full of people to teach us the dangers of terrorism.

The fact is, with these people running around I feel less free. As someone a few pages back said "if you piss anon off enough, they'll take down PSN, Nintendo and Xbox Live down at the same time"... Yeah, that's really showing what freedom they are giving us. We are free but if we chose to use our freedom to voice our displeasure at what they are doing, they'll start attacking the things we like to get back at us. That's not freedom.

again this is under the assumption that this is anon your all talking about. Because you all seem to have varying ideas on the group. Honestly, I'm still on the fence with them but they're really making it hard to like them or approve of their actions or cheer them on. I've seen them do good in this world and that puts a smile on my face specially when reading it on stuff like T.V tropes how they've caught murderers, pedophiles and animal abusers. Also the big companies they've attacked for doing some really questionable shit... Yeah that gets them in my good books. Though sadly what keeps them back is actions like this, attacking the everyman in order to spread their own ideas on freedom.

Also to clear something up on this whole arrest issue so you don't lump me in with the rest. No I don't believe that these people did the attack, not %100 anyway, I certainly don't rule out the possibility of it being them but I've highly got my doubts and I'd like to see further evidence of this first.

As for the whole "3 year? they should get life or executed/killed" no... 3 years is very lenient if they did when they're being accused of doing true enough, I've seen car thieves get 5 years before and this is full on identity theft. However life? Really? the sentence you get more often than not for Murder over this? really? As for executed... I honestly hope some of you guys are heavily exaggerating or taking the piss I really do. Yes they should serve prison time if they are actually guilty of this but... yeah. Taking it way too far.

Ok maybe it's not the best way to show everyone that privacy is important. But why there are so many people don't caring about giving away their identity so easy. I hope everyone will think twice now before filling in their names, creditcard numbers and all other info on the internet. I think it's dumb to do those things. Tell me if I'm wrong.

No, you're just being paranoid. Very, very paranoid. The whole world is NOT out to get you. No one is ASKING or FORCING you to give personal details about ANYTHING.

I think you have a very wrong impression of the word "freedom", if you're, as Sovvolf stated, readily accepting the methods of Anonymous/hackers in general as law. Granted, CERTAIN MEMBERS of Anonymous (what I believe to be the core unit, anyway) have done great things. Helping police find sex offenders, revealing the darker secrets of certain governments. Actually noble stuff. Shit like this however (that being maliciously attacking websites to either "prove a point" or stealing personal information and releasing it online) is NOT noble at all.

Yes, the internet is a free environment, but it is also VERY social. Grow up and deal with it.

It should NOT be a problem requiring personal information to access gaming, goods and services, online shopping, etc. People like Anonymous/malicious hackers MAKE it a problem by fucking with it.Simply saying "You should never post the true details about yourself to anything ever. Ever." is just plain retarded. Fuck, your internet service provider REQUIRES correct and full information. You must sign a legally binding document stating that it is true and correct and if it is found to be incorrect, you are doing so illegally.

I'm so fucking glad I live in Australia right now. You're REQUIRED to have 100 points of identification before you can even APPLY for a credit card here. That means birth certificate, drivers license, health care card, even passport (not all of them, certain things are worth more "points"). But in America, not so much. Literally anyone can walk into a bank, apply for a credit card in ANY name, without proper ID.. And walk out with an account, which may or may not be in the name of someone else.

Bottom line, please just grow up. You're acting like a immature child having a tantrum because EVERYTHING SHOULD BE FREE FOREVER DAMN IT.

 

[MattAn24]

It's not Anonymous *facepalm* If you'd have any knowledge about Anonymous you would understand that they don't realy have any reason to hack PSN and these guys were also wanted for trying to hack into bank systems, if anything Anonymous definetly don't do things for profit so blaming this on them is just ignorant and stupid.

Do you realize how unbelievably stupid that sounds? Their NAME is "Anonymous", who the fuck are you to dictate what Anonymous does or doesn't do? Yes, the CORE GROUP of Anonymous are more politically focused and tackle corrupt governments but the 4chan fucktards getting involved and fucking with people's shit "in the name of Anonymous"? Seriously. Get your head together. You're not making any sense.

 

[MattAn24]

How do I know that Spain probably doesn't understand that they did nothing to actually harm anon in the long run? They used the term leaders in reference to Anonymous.

Also, whether you feel it stupid or smart, it shouldn't be your choice, my choice or anons choice on what people can and can't do with their own information. Its theirs to use as they please regardless on whether its a good decision or not. Thats the freedom they should have. What right does anyone have to take that away from them?.

You have me there, everyone has the right to be stupid. I was just caring to much for others.

Nothing wrong with caring about others. However there's a big difference between telling a fellow that he should lock his door more often in case of burglars, and breaking in to steal his shit just to prove a point .

That is mildly inaccurate. What anonymous did was notice that a bank keeps its vault unlocked at night and so broke down the front door and took a shit on the floor to prove a point. Sure they are huge dicks for doing this but at least they didn't steal anything.

Simple question here. WHY? WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF DOING THAT? It's just being a nuisance and fucking with shit that isn't theirs to fuck with! If they fuck with it, they're no better than criminals. They're not helping anyone. NO ONE should be breaking in to shit that isn't theirs.

 

[philosophicalbastard]

It seems they didn't expect the Spanish inquisition!

 

[Low Key]

After reading the article, the only question I have is why do the cops have a Twitter account?

 

[Canid117]

How do I know that Spain probably doesn't understand that they did nothing to actually harm anon in the long run? They used the term leaders in reference to Anonymous.

Also, whether you feel it stupid or smart, it shouldn't be your choice, my choice or anons choice on what people can and can't do with their own information. Its theirs to use as they please regardless on whether its a good decision or not. Thats the freedom they should have. What right does anyone have to take that away from them?.

You have me there, everyone has the right to be stupid. I was just caring to much for others.

Nothing wrong with caring about others. However there's a big difference between telling a fellow that he should lock his door more often in case of burglars, and breaking in to steal his shit just to prove a point .

That is mildly inaccurate. What anonymous did was notice that a bank keeps its vault unlocked at night and so broke down the front door and took a shit on the floor to prove a point. Sure they are huge dicks for doing this but at least they didn't steal anything.

Simple question here. WHY? WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF DOING THAT? It's just being a nuisance and fucking with shit that isn't theirs to fuck with! If they fuck with it, they're no better than criminals. They're not helping anyone. NO ONE should be breaking in to shit that isn't theirs.

But people do. So I guess Sony is just lucky it was anon trying to be funny than an actual thief trying to steal actual money.

 

[JET1971]

Some of you are over the top with your ignorance. Anon did not hack PSN to prove to anyone that PSN was insecure or dont trust online with personal information or anything of that nature some of you are going on about. It is the hacker group named Lulzsec that is hacking things to show how insecure it is. and they have no moral stance in it as they do it because they think its funny and no other reason. Now more about Lulzsec and PSN... Lulzsec did not hack PSN, they hacked sony pictures.

Anon did a denial of service attack on PSN, that has nothing to do with the hack. Anon stated they will no longer be attacking PSN servers because it causes problems for the users of PSN. Anon involvment as a group with PSN ended right there.

PSN was hacked, Anon stated they were not involved, Sony said there was nothing linking the hack to Anon at first then finds a file that made claims Anon was here. A calling card Anon didnt use in the past nore after the fact. PSN account details and CC info discovered on an eastern europe blackhat hacker forum, common meeting ground for the buying and selling of information of that nature. Unusual calling card claiming anon but stolen information found on an eastern euope hack forum for sale... Evidence suggesting that it was a common blackhat hacker who steals personal information and sells it for cash and his only "cause" is to fatten his own wallet.

Anon did not hack and post personal information from PSN to make everyone not post personal information. where the hell you people got that idea in your heads is beyond me.

 

[MattAn24]

That is mildly inaccurate. What anonymous did was notice that a bank keeps its vault unlocked at night and so broke down the front door and took a shit on the floor to prove a point. Sure they are huge dicks for doing this but at least they didn't steal anything.

Simple question here. WHY? WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF DOING THAT? It's just being a nuisance and fucking with shit that isn't theirs to fuck with! If they fuck with it, they're no better than criminals. They're not helping anyone. NO ONE should be breaking in to shit that isn't theirs.[/quote]

But people do. So I guess Sony is just lucky it was anon trying to be funny than an actual thief trying to steal actual money.[/quote]

That is the single most messed up excuse I've ever heard..
Hell, Anonymous keeps claiming it wasn't them as well, even though they can't legitimately say that because how would they know who is involved in anything their own group does because everyone is anonymo---OH GOD MY BRAIN IS ON FIRE.

 

[Hijax]

If this has been made, i've missed it, so imah go right ahead:

Seems like these guys weren't expecting the spanish policeinquisition...

Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

*Put on sunglasses*

YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

EDIT: Aaand of course it's like a few posts above me. Damn

 

[JET1971]

Hell, Anonymous keeps claiming it wasn't them as well, even though they can't legitimately say that because how would they know who is involved in anything their own group does because everyone is anonymo---OH GOD MY BRAIN IS ON FIRE.

That issue is moot. How is it moot? well Lets say you work for Acme Teddy Bear Co. in the stuffing department, after you get off work you go home and get arrested because you have pedophile stuff on your computer and some of it depicts small children with Acme teddy Bears in it. Do you blame the company? NO. Another way it is moot is Say you are in a criminal organisation stealing company secrets and selling those to other companies. one day you and another member of that organization decide to do a side job and break into a bank and steal all the money. do you blame the criminal organization that just steals company secrets for 2 of its members doing a completyly different job outside of the organization? no because thats absurd.

 

[Denamic]

Way to make themselves a target for the real anonymous, for claiming they have defeated anonymous.
I have a feeling they gunna get it.

 

[Denamic]

How do I know that Spain probably doesn't understand that they did nothing to actually harm anon in the long run? They used the term leaders in reference to Anonymous.

Also, whether you feel it stupid or smart, it shouldn't be your choice, my choice or anons choice on what people can and can't do with their own information. Its theirs to use as they please regardless on whether its a good decision or not. Thats the freedom they should have. What right does anyone have to take that away from them?.

You have me there, everyone has the right to be stupid. I was just caring to much for others.

Nothing wrong with caring about others. However there's a big difference between telling a fellow that he should lock his door more often in case of burglars, and breaking in to steal his shit just to prove a point .

That is mildly inaccurate. What anonymous did was notice that a bank keeps its vault unlocked at night and so broke down the front door and took a shit on the floor to prove a point. Sure they are huge dicks for doing this but at least they didn't steal anything.

Simple question here. WHY? WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF DOING THAT? It's just being a nuisance and fucking with shit that isn't theirs to fuck with! If they fuck with it, they're no better than criminals. They're not helping anyone. NO ONE should be breaking in to shit that isn't theirs.

Better to have someone take a shit on your floor and humiliate you than have someone steal your everything.
Because then you know you should get a better lock on your door before someone malicious comes along.
Then again, some of sony's sites are vulnerable to SQL injections, so to have any lock whatsoever would be an upgrade.

 

[Simriel]

I wanna see pics with names. Take away all anonymity. Also that "We are legion threat". you'd think that they would learn that being an internet "Menace" Doesn't translate over to real life. they know your just some pathetic kids who probably can't do anything about using your computer the way other people tell you to little script kiddies.

Given that like 90% of the worlds defence, banking, consumer infrastructure and general workings are run by computers with online networking? Yeah... Hackers can do A LOT!

And if you are dependent on those things then yeah. Maybe it can scare you. But when you aren't and know how to live without it there is really nothing they can do. Also Hackers is one thing. Most of anonymous is just, like i said, script kiddies. They are given directions on how to do certain things and that is what they do. Hell i did it myself for awhile out of boredom.
Which is exactly why you are living without your computer right now? The worlds nuclear weapons are technically hackable you tool, there ARE things to be afraid of even if you ain't a tech person. A skilled, dedicated, resourced group of hackers could bring the global infrastructure to its knees.