Anonymous Sends a Letter to the World

[Dasmaster]

Pretending we're Clinton, now, are we? "I did not have sexual relations" and all that?

Cause I haven't seen any Anon come in and refute either of those videos.

What do you want there, hmm? "Any anon" would denote Anon the entity coming in and saying "Hehe, lulz", which isn't going to happen on a board like this and you know it. If putting your own words in your mouth is putting words in your mouth, then I'm guilty as charged.

Yet again, doesn't mean that I don't get it.

How do you like your own backwards logic.

And how does that make me wrong?

Look, I've spelled this out as clear as I possibly can and I've attempted to inform you on what anon really is. You're under your own beliefs of what anon is and you're not willing to understand this. I'm going to try once more with a demonstration and hope that you get it.

Right now, if we were to strip away usernames, you, me, Dasmaster and anyone else within this site become anonymous. You are not anonymous, nor is any single person here. If one person leaves, anonymous changes. If another joins, anonymous changes. If you leave to go back to RL, you are no longer part of anonymous. The moment you take on any label, including "representative of anonymous", you are no longer anonymous, you are then a person. Each one of these people involved are no longer people, they are part of an entity of ideas and an exchange of ideas. We would be akin to a brain arguing amongst itself to decide what would be the best direction if we should decide to go in a particular direction.

By asking for a representative of Anonymous to come out and refute something, you are demonstrating a lack of understanding of the entity that is Anonymous. If any one of the members of Anonymous comes forward with a label of "representative of anonymous", they are no longer part of Anonymous and cannot accurately represent Anonymous.

.....You guys win.

Go ahead, take your revenge.

I won't beg.

My point was never about victory or loss, it's about truth and falsehood.

anyway my marathon on this forum is probably over now and im going to sleep. see ya not around~

 

[Naheal]

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Just to make sure, we can agree on my definition of Anonymous, right?

 

[Dasmaster]

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Just to make sure, we can agree on my definition of Anonymous, right?

more then less yes but i think saying that someone becomes a representative of anonymous is a bit strange. More like no single person can be the representative since the entity known as anonymous is a collection of everyone. And because "everyone" can change at any time, Anonymous is not bound by what it has "said before" and it would most likely be impossible for it to be "stable enough to even say it once"

 

[Naheal]

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Just to make sure, we can agree on my definition of Anonymous, right?

more then less yes but i think saying that someone becomes a representative of anonymous is a bit strange. More like no single person can be the representative since the entity known as anonymous is a collection of everyone. And because "everyone" can change at any time, Anonymous is not bound by what it has "said before" and it would most likely be impossible for it to be "stable enough to even say it once"

That said, they can neither receive credit for what they've done. Every time someone deals with Anonymous, they need to treat Anonymous as if they have never dealt with them before.

 

[Icarion (aka Stockholm)]

Second, I think that Anonymous sounds like it's about to do some good in the world. Considering their track record, I still don't trust Anonymous, but when they say something like this it makes me want to.

I agree, as a matter of basic principle, that freedom is a fundamental right. This right is necessary for the enjoyment of all other rights (and today is UN Human Rights Day). If Anonymous is planning to fight for freedom, I will agree with their principles if not their methods.

I would like to point out that judging Anon on their previous actions isn't necessarily a good idea. Anon now is not the same Anon of ten minutes ago, nor will it be the same Anon ten minutes for now.

That said, lack of trust is still a good idea.

Seems kinda... pretentious to me. I wonder what the average age of the people responsible for the document are...

Or if it's entirely one person.

It doesn't matter with Anon. Even if only one person put this document up, their actions of late denote multiple people.

With the thousands of LOIC's online I tend to agree with you there.

Anonymous is never one person. Ever. Get that out of your head whenever you hear about Anon doing anything at all. When someone speak with the title of "Anonymous", they speak as one voice of the whole, but they don't represent the whole. It's a confusing mass if you try to analyze it as one group, but, whether individual poster or mass of hackers, they function as a single being, ironically, because of their lack of organization.

funny issent it? if you think about it, they have got the fairest way of 'government' over thmselves, since no one realy has leverage, and shit only happens when people agree, or if at least some agree and enough trolls can be set loose XD

Oh my God, has anon created Communism? /gasp A "governemnt" by the people where no one has control and things only happen when the people agree on them? Damn, if I didn't know better I'd say anon has created the next level of government. Of course caution is warranted because some of the people are trolls. This is interesting.... Hmmm....
OT:Uhhhh, sounds like this is a nice incarnation of anon. I'm loath to trust them, but campaign away.

 

[Nouw]

Well I'm all for it but when some secrets get out, some lives will be destroyed.

Think about that huh?

 

[Dasmaster]

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Just to make sure, we can agree on my definition of Anonymous, right?

more then less yes but i think saying that someone becomes a representative of anonymous is a bit strange. More like no single person can be the representative since the entity known as anonymous is a collection of everyone. And because "everyone" can change at any time, Anonymous is not bound by what it has "said before" and it would most likely be impossible for it to be "stable enough to even say it once"

That said, they can neither receive credit for what they've done. Every time someone deals with Anonymous, they need to treat Anonymous as if they have never dealt with them before.

Exactly since they got no proof that the have indeed actually dealt with them before. Anonymous is kind of like a giant unknown where you can never be sure if its 1 or many. And you can for a split second know a small part of it (like if they launch an attack against Scientology)but the moment its over it instantly changes again and goes back into a giant unknown.

And you know it has changed, just not what. And because you do not know what has changed you most assume what you did know is not accurate anymore.

 

[Naheal]

Well I'm all for it but when some secrets get out, some lives will be destroyed.

Think about that huh?

No war is ever a pretty one. An information war doesn't lead to physical death, but turns someone into a non-person.

Judge for yourself if a gunshot wound to the head or the above is worse.

 

[Nouw]

Well I'm all for it but when some secrets get out, some lives will be affected in a negative manner

Think about that huh?

No war is ever a pretty one. An information war doesn't lead to physical death, but turns someone into a non-person.

Judge for yourself if a gunshot wound to the head or the above is worse.

Does that suit it?

 

[Naheal]

Well I'm all for it but when some secrets get out, some lives will be affected in a negative manner

Think about that huh?

No war is ever a pretty one. An information war doesn't lead to physical death, but turns someone into a non-person.

Judge for yourself if a gunshot wound to the head or the above is worse.

Does that suit it?

Your original wording worked quite well, actually.

 

[Jman1236]

Yawn...call me when the start doing a "Fire Sale" from Live Free or Die Hard then will talk.

 

[Nouw]

Well I'm all for it but when some secrets get out, some lives will be affected in a negative manner

Think about that huh?

No war is ever a pretty one. An information war doesn't lead to physical death, but turns someone into a non-person.

Judge for yourself if a gunshot wound to the head or the above is worse.

Does that suit it?

Your original wording worked quite well, actually.

Aaah I guess I took it the wrong way?

Yawn...call me when the start doing a "Fire Sale" from Live Free or Die Hard then will talk.

And Bruce Willis saves the day!

 

[Dasmaster]

Yawn...call me when the start doing a "Fire Sale" from Live Free or Die Hard then will talk.

we got an undead medium here...

 

[swolf]

I don't trust them. I'm sorry but that seemed...somewhat threatening. "at this time we are peaceful" "our targets" etc. They said things like that and it raises red flags with me. I understand that they say that they are trying to be a hero and all but...no. A lot of horrible things have been done "for the right reasons". The atom bomb. The people who attack abortion clinics. The religious zealots who commit acts of terrorism because they feel it's for the "greater good". I'm not saying that they're definitely bad but they make me suspicious of them. Also.it doesn't help that they are...well...anonymous. If you feel strong about something then protest and argue valid points. That works dont hide behind a computer and...do whatever is they are doing or plan to do.

 

[Naheal]

Well I'm all for it but when some secrets get out, some lives will be affected in a negative manner

Think about that huh?

No war is ever a pretty one. An information war doesn't lead to physical death, but turns someone into a non-person.

Judge for yourself if a gunshot wound to the head or the above is worse.

Does that suit it?

Your original wording worked quite well, actually.

Aaah I guess I took it the wrong way?

It happens. I'm not as clear as I should be sometimes.

Yawn...call me when the start doing a "Fire Sale" from Live Free or Die Hard then will talk.

we got an undead medium here...

 

[Naheal]

I don't trust them. I'm sorry but that seemed...somewhat threatening. "at this time we are peaceful" "our targets" etc. They said things like that and it raises red flags with me. I understand that they say that they are trying to be a hero and all but...no. A lot of horrible things have been done "for the right reasons". The atom bomb. The people who attack abortion clinics. The religious zealots who commit acts of terrorism because they feel it's for the "greater good". I'm not saying that they're definitely bad but they make me suspicious of them. Also.it doesn't help that they are...well...anonymous. If you feel strong about something then protest and argue valid points. That works dont hide behind a computer and...do whatever is they are doing or plan to do.

I understand your distrust; it's well placed. I think I'll let Sun Tzu make my point for me, though, since they're essentially starting an information war.

All war is deception.

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance.

 

[Dasmaster]

I don't trust them. I'm sorry but that seemed...somewhat threatening. "at this time we are peaceful" "our targets" etc. They said things like that and it raises red flags with me. I understand that they say that they are trying to be a hero and all but...no. A lot of horrible things have been done "for the right reasons". The atom bomb. The people who attack abortion clinics. The religious zealots who commit acts of terrorism because they feel it's for the "greater good". I'm not saying that they're definitely bad but they make me suspicious of them. Also.it doesn't help that they are...well...anonymous. If you feel strong about something then protest and argue valid points. That works dont hide behind a computer and...do whatever is they are doing or plan to do.

I can understand where your coming from but you seam to misunderstand what anonymous is good at. Its not being dicks on the internet though some members are thought to be unrivalled champions. But its to spread information. Mainly inside of anonymous. For example if there is some new leaked us government documents the first people who will know about it is probably wikileaks then anonymous. (atleast right now)

Then they spread the information on and take copies of the document themselves. Basically making it impossible to censure.

They have also been supporting freespeech by donating and advocating several other free-speech organisations. And they make petitions and complaints if something goes wrong.

 

[Mrrrgggrlllrrrg]

Anon is nothing more then overgrown children and actual children with more self-importance than Al Gore.


Most of the time they're just annoying but sometimes on those very special occasions they do something good, then immediately screw that up all the while taking no responsibility.

 

[Sneaky Paladin]

Seem's a bit silly to give to twitter users. Mostly because most people who use twitter...I should probably not finish that sentence. It DOES seem a bit like their high on their own piss
but hey it's a good cause and you can't ask for much more than that.

 

[Naheal]

I don't trust them. I'm sorry but that seemed...somewhat threatening. "at this time we are peaceful" "our targets" etc. They said things like that and it raises red flags with me. I understand that they say that they are trying to be a hero and all but...no. A lot of horrible things have been done "for the right reasons". The atom bomb. The people who attack abortion clinics. The religious zealots who commit acts of terrorism because they feel it's for the "greater good". I'm not saying that they're definitely bad but they make me suspicious of them. Also.it doesn't help that they are...well...anonymous. If you feel strong about something then protest and argue valid points. That works dont hide behind a computer and...do whatever is they are doing or plan to do.

I can understand where your coming from but you seam to misunderstand what anonymous is good at. Its not being dicks on the internet though some members are thought to be unrivalled champions. But its to spread information. Mainly inside of anonymous. For example if there is some new leaked us government documents the first people who will know about it is probably wikileaks then anonymous. (atleast right now)

Then they spread the information on and take copies of the document themselves. Basically making it impossible to censure.

They have also been supporting freespeech by donating and advocating several other free-speech organisations. And they make petitions and complaints if something goes wrong.

Funny story on what a DDoS is...