Anonymous Sends a Letter to the World

[Randomologist]

Seems pretty pretentious. Anonymous aren't some awesome freedom fighters. They're just a bunch of dedicated people around the World who know how to organize themselves. They don't "fight for freedom". Now, I'm not bad-mouthing anonymous here, a lot of what they're doing/have done is great. But a lot of it is just stupid pranks, I mean how are people meant to take them seriously if one day they're spending all their efforts defending an international figure from "THE EVIL GOVERNMENTS!" and then the next day they're attacking and threatening a young girl over the internet.

Come on anon, get your shit together and fight for more things that matter, like Julian. Hopefully what they're doing now is a step in the right direction.

However, I have to say that in this case I don't support Assange that much. I think that what the Governments have done to him is unfair, although I don't think that he should release certain things on wikileaks. Like "Sites around the World which are important to America". I mean, what is that meant to accomplish? I don't care if that shit is hidden from me by the Government, I'm not asking for it. But if they release that, they're just giving terrorists a multitude of effective targets.

Agreed on essentially every point... Thanks for saving me the typing, I really can't add that much to this other than I can see why the US in particular is putting the squeeze on Wikileaks, given the stuff leaked. The honest opinions of various diplomats was interesting, but the vital sites? We don't really care, and yet that can be directly useful to someone planning mischief. As you said.

 

[unicron44]

Here's my problem with Anonymous right now. They're all about, in this case, freedom of speech, demanding that the governments of the world reveal their secrets, etc etc etc- but if anyone dares disagree with them, they bring down the hammer of wrath and retribution as hard if not harder than any government ever could.

People have secrets. Governments have secrets. This is the way of the world and the way things work.

The difference?

Personal secrets can damage a life. Personal secrets can hurt people.

Governmental secrets can get a lot, and I mean a LOT, of people killed. There's a reason news reporters edit out the names of people involved. There's a reason they don't name their sources.

In this case, Anonymous (and the people at Wikileaks, from what I've seen of the site) just don't seem to care about the people whose lives they're destroying in much the same fashion that the people they're attacking are. It all leads in one giant loop and, in the end, it accomplishes nothing.

Hypocrisy, on both sides, to the highest degrees. There are no 'heroes' here. There are only people on both sides that think they're the allmighty God, infallible, and untouchable.

And, as a note to this. I'm a southerner, born and bred. I'm wholly and completely opposed to big government and a fiercely independant person. I believe it is our right, all of us, to question government, to press and demand things, and to get the truth of most matters. Sometimes, though, it's better just not to know.

Not sure if this is related, but I was told today at school by a kid that Anon shut down Paypal and Visa, which our teacher said it was cyber terrorism, which is detremental to people not even involved. I completely agreed, which is why I never cared for Anon as I felt they take things too far sometimes.

It was not unprovoked. Both paypal, visa and mastercard broke there contracts with Wikileaks and both the company handling the donations and anonymous reacted both in there own ways. The company sued them and anonymous overloaded there servers.

Also there are just as many hacker attacks from the other side too.

I didn't know that part. I mean if they got to those three huge companies this must be serious. Thanks for the info.

 

[Dasmaster]

All these anonymous messages at once...i'm starting to think it's not an organized group but different individual groups

Indeed they are individual PEOPLE however somehow the very act of individuality makes them work together. Its a fascinating phenomena.

 

[Dasmaster]

Here's my problem with Anonymous right now. They're all about, in this case, freedom of speech, demanding that the governments of the world reveal their secrets, etc etc etc- but if anyone dares disagree with them, they bring down the hammer of wrath and retribution as hard if not harder than any government ever could.

People have secrets. Governments have secrets. This is the way of the world and the way things work.

The difference?

Personal secrets can damage a life. Personal secrets can hurt people.

Governmental secrets can get a lot, and I mean a LOT, of people killed. There's a reason news reporters edit out the names of people involved. There's a reason they don't name their sources.

In this case, Anonymous (and the people at Wikileaks, from what I've seen of the site) just don't seem to care about the people whose lives they're destroying in much the same fashion that the people they're attacking are. It all leads in one giant loop and, in the end, it accomplishes nothing.

Hypocrisy, on both sides, to the highest degrees. There are no 'heroes' here. There are only people on both sides that think they're the allmighty God, infallible, and untouchable.

And, as a note to this. I'm a southerner, born and bred. I'm wholly and completely opposed to big government and a fiercely independant person. I believe it is our right, all of us, to question government, to press and demand things, and to get the truth of most matters. Sometimes, though, it's better just not to know.

Not sure if this is related, but I was told today at school by a kid that Anon shut down Paypal and Visa, which our teacher said it was cyber terrorism, which is detremental to people not even involved. I completely agreed, which is why I never cared for Anon as I felt they take things too far sometimes.

It was not unprovoked. Both paypal, visa and mastercard broke there contracts with Wikileaks and both the company handling the donations and anonymous reacted both in there own ways. The company sued them and anonymous overloaded there servers.

Also there are just as many hacker attacks from the other side too.

I didn't know that part. I mean if they got to those three huge companies this must be serious. Thanks for the info.

In a way i really understand what they mean with misinformation. Its just not interesting news if you tell every detail. Though on the other hand it makes news stations redundant in the first place.

 

[deadxero]

The issue is that they claim to fight for the rights of everyone while harming no one.... which doesn't really fit with the fact that they are using 10's of thousands of computers, coopted by botnet viruses, unbeknownst to their owners. They claim to uphold liberty, yet they infringe upon it in the same way that the governments they oppose do.

 

[Dags90]

Dear God...it's like teenage poetry.

I blame America's lacking education system and those oppressors of individuality, Strunk and White. This is what you get as "formal writing" in this system, overly punctuated and boring, formulaic syntax.

 

[Dasmaster]

Seems pretty pretentious. Anonymous aren't some awesome freedom fighters. They're just a bunch of dedicated people around the World who know how to organize themselves. They don't "fight for freedom". Now, I'm not bad-mouthing anonymous here, a lot of what they're doing/have done is great. But a lot of it is just stupid pranks, I mean how are people meant to take them seriously if one day they're spending all their efforts defending an international figure from "THE EVIL GOVERNMENTS!" and then the next day they're attacking and threatening a young girl over the internet.

Come on anon, get your shit together and fight for more things that matter, like Julian. Hopefully what they're doing now is a step in the right direction.

However, I have to say that in this case I don't support Assange that much. I think that what the Governments have done to him is unfair, although I don't think that he should release certain things on wikileaks. Like "Sites around the World which are important to America". I mean, what is that meant to accomplish? I don't care if that shit is hidden from me by the Government, I'm not asking for it. But if they release that, they're just giving terrorists a multitude of effective targets.

Agreed on essentially every point... Thanks for saving me the typing, I really can't add that much to this other than I can see why the US in particular is putting the squeeze on Wikileaks, given the stuff leaked. The honest opinions of various diplomats was interesting, but the vital sites? We don't really care, and yet that can be directly useful to someone planning mischief. As you said.

You cant really blame Wikileaks for releasing info that can help terrorists etc... Its very existence is because of countries such as America which has become to dishonest and incapable of informing its citizens of even the basics and prefer brushing things under someone elses rug instead of fixing it then blaming it on them... i mean this is chlid behaviour.

If there was no "juicy secrets" none would care about wikileaks or supply it with top secret documents and it would just go away into a lake of obscure websites.

 

[Dasmaster]

The issue is that they claim to fight for the rights of everyone while harming no one.... which doesn't really fit with the fact that they are using 10's of thousands of computers, coopted by botnet viruses, unbeknownst to their owners. They claim to uphold liberty, yet they infringe upon it in the same way that the governments they oppose do.

And on the other hand they start up such devious contraptions as... online petitions, demonstrations, donations to wikileaks and other pro-free speech organisations, making threads on forums, telling there friends about whats going on, talking amongst themselves about is going on so they can respond quickly to petitions/demonstrations and the like, supporting wikileaks with cheerful mails.

Arent they just the devil incarnated?

 

[SinisterGehe]

Hey, I know... Instead of PoDing websites, doing threats, pointing fingers and generally being Internet terrorist who everyone should be afraid. He/She/Them/It/You could start preserving and sharing information, like Wikipedia or indeed Wikileaks does.

"If indeed pen is mightier than the sword, then the courier is the greatest hero of all time..." -H.T.Hänninen
"You can fire your cannons as much as you want but without shells they are worthless"
(For those who don't get my point...) Stop doing those Damn attacks and threats and start preserving and sharing the knowledge, make yourself useful instead of standing behind the fence and barking the incoming traffic. All information is equal in worth but some of them contain greater meaning (Worth =/= Meaning), so if you go and prevent a web-page from working, you are "killing your own soldier" (He speaks about freedom of speech yet he goes and prevents people from filling their right to that freedom).
I agree that there should be no set fences on information shared amongst people, if it is common knowledge that benefits everyone and/or touches everyones lives, everyone should be able to access it.
But what should be set is the quality of information, you have no right to share information about my life (Or indeed anyones life) if it does not benefit for the common good. Freedom of speech, does not equal freedom to destroy someones life, no matter what their status is. Would you be ready to show who you really are, if it indeed would benefit the common good? It would destroy your existence and meaning of your idea (which you are entitled to have), for the common good.
By this we get in to a paradox: "Am I in position to expose a whereabouts of some terrorist? By this I would be destroying hes life, but giving a great benefit to the world" Should I follow the ideas of Kant here? Or the ideas of utilitarianism? Of some other so philosophy?

Freedom of speech is utopia, but not everything is meant to be said aloud. Everyone got different idea of what should be allowed to be said and what not, if we do a global agreement amongst every thinking creature on this earth, someone must always give something of hes or hers as a sacrifice.

I say it again:
"If indeed pen is mightier than the sword, then the courier is the greatest hero of all time..." -H.T.Hänninen
Less talk, less bullshit and ***** slapping, take that hammer and chisel and build the bridge across the river of broken promises.

 

[Aurora219]

This is all a bit V for Vendetta for me. And by that I mean rolling soliloquy about not a lot.

Anonymity is not guaranteed. If we all desire transparency, the members of Anon should be forced to reveal their identities. It's a double standard.

They can't protect Wikileaks and expect to be treated like the untouchables themselves. I want to publish their names and see what they do about it. I think it'd definitely make them think twice about writing pretense like this again.

 

[blipblop]

Seems pretty pretentious. Anonymous aren't some awesome freedom fighters. They're just a bunch of dedicated people around the World who know how to organize themselves. They don't "fight for freedom". Now, I'm not bad-mouthing anonymous here, a lot of what they're doing/have done is great. But a lot of it is just stupid pranks, I mean how are people meant to take them seriously if one day they're spending all their efforts defending an international figure from "THE EVIL GOVERNMENTS!" and then the next day they're attacking and threatening a young girl over the internet.

Come on anon, get your shit together and fight for more things that matter, like Julian. Hopefully what they're doing now is a step in the right direction.

However, I have to say that in this case I don't support Assange that much. I think that what the Governments have done to him is unfair, although I don't think that he should release certain things on wikileaks. Like "Sites around the World which are important to America". I mean, what is that meant to accomplish? I don't care if that shit is hidden from me by the Government, I'm not asking for it. But if they release that, they're just giving terrorists a multitude of effective targets.

Agreed on essentially every point... Thanks for saving me the typing, I really can't add that much to this other than I can see why the US in particular is putting the squeeze on Wikileaks, given the stuff leaked. The honest opinions of various diplomats was interesting, but the vital sites? We don't really care, and yet that can be directly useful to someone planning mischief. As you said.

You cant really blame Wikileaks for releasing info that can help terrorists etc... Its very existence is because of countries such as America which has become to dishonest and incapable of informing its citizens of even the basics and prefer brushing things under someone elses rug instead of fixing it then blaming it on them... i mean this is chlid behaviour.

If there was no "juicy secrets" none would care about wikileaks or supply it with top secret documents and it would just go away into a lake of obscure websites.

I´m sorry but what are this vital information the US of A is so afraid of. the documents doesn´t realy specify anything to any degre that it would help a terrorist.
I beleve your media is fear mongering you

 

[Dasmaster]

Hey, I know... Instead of PoDing websites, doing threats, pointing fingers and generally being Internet terrorist who everyone should be afraid. He/She/Them/It/You could start preserving and sharing information, like Wikipedia or indeed Wikileaks does.

"If indeed pen is mightier than the sword, then the courier is the greatest hero of all time..." -H.T.Hänninen
"You can fire your cannons as much as you want but without shells they are worthless"
(For those who don't get my point...) Stop doing those Damn attacks and threats and start preserving and sharing the knowledge, make yourself useful instead of standing behind the fence and barking the incoming traffic. All information is equal in worth but some of them contain greater meaning (Worth =/= Meaning), so if you go and prevent a web-page from working, you are "killing your own soldier" (He speaks about freedom of speech yet he goes and prevents people from filling their right to that freedom).
I agree that there should be no set fences on information shared amongst people, if it is common knowledge that benefits everyone and/or touches everyones lives, everyone should be able to access it.
But what should be set is the quality of information, you have no right to share information about my life (Or indeed anyones life) if it does not benefit for the common good. Freedom of speech, does not equal freedom to destroy someones life, no matter what their status is. Would you be ready to show who you really are, if it indeed would benefit the common good? It would destroy your existence and meaning of your idea (which you are entitled to have), for the common good.
By this we get in to a paradox: "Am I in position to expose a whereabouts of some terrorist? By this I would be destroying hes life, but giving a great benefit to the world" Should I follow the ideas of Kant here? Or the ideas of utilitarianism? Of some other so philosophy?

Freedom of speech is utopia, but not everything is meant to be said aloud. Everyone got different idea of what should be allowed to be said and what not, if we do a global agreement amongst every thinking creature on this earth, someone must always give something of hes or hers as a sacrifice.

I say it again:
"If indeed pen is mightier than the sword, then the courier is the greatest hero of all time..." -H.T.Hänninen
Less talk, less bullshit and ***** slapping, take that hammer and chisel and build the bridge across the river of broken promises.

You can not tell anonymous what to do. Your voice is not strong enough to reach all the millions of people involved and nor do they indeed share ideas. Also its useless to try hold one anonymous accountable for another anonymous crimes since they do not necessarily promote eachoters ways of approach or is even aware of eachoter.

Im sure you do not know of a countrymen of yours who might be in the act of raping right now nor do you promote such acts so is it fair to say your country is bad and full or rapists?

 

[Dasmaster]

Seems pretty pretentious. Anonymous aren't some awesome freedom fighters. They're just a bunch of dedicated people around the World who know how to organize themselves. They don't "fight for freedom". Now, I'm not bad-mouthing anonymous here, a lot of what they're doing/have done is great. But a lot of it is just stupid pranks, I mean how are people meant to take them seriously if one day they're spending all their efforts defending an international figure from "THE EVIL GOVERNMENTS!" and then the next day they're attacking and threatening a young girl over the internet.

Come on anon, get your shit together and fight for more things that matter, like Julian. Hopefully what they're doing now is a step in the right direction.

However, I have to say that in this case I don't support Assange that much. I think that what the Governments have done to him is unfair, although I don't think that he should release certain things on wikileaks. Like "Sites around the World which are important to America". I mean, what is that meant to accomplish? I don't care if that shit is hidden from me by the Government, I'm not asking for it. But if they release that, they're just giving terrorists a multitude of effective targets.

Agreed on essentially every point... Thanks for saving me the typing, I really can't add that much to this other than I can see why the US in particular is putting the squeeze on Wikileaks, given the stuff leaked. The honest opinions of various diplomats was interesting, but the vital sites? We don't really care, and yet that can be directly useful to someone planning mischief. As you said.

You cant really blame Wikileaks for releasing info that can help terrorists etc... Its very existence is because of countries such as America which has become to dishonest and incapable of informing its citizens of even the basics and prefer brushing things under someone elses rug instead of fixing it then blaming it on them... i mean this is chlid behaviour.

If there was no "juicy secrets" none would care about wikileaks or supply it with top secret documents and it would just go away into a lake of obscure websites.

I´m sorry but what are this vital information the US of A is so afraid of. the documents doesn´t realy specify anything to any degre that it would help a terrorist.
I beleve your media is fear mongering you

They released a video not long ago about an Apache gunner shooting down civilian journalists holding cameras then as they were crawling away they tried to geode them into making an excuse to kill them. After that a van drove up and people came out to try and carry them to the hospital. The gunner opened fire on the van which at the time had 2 children inside along with all the other people.

And mind you all along the gunner were enjoying himself since he could shoot "those bastards"

This is just the tip of the icebearg

 

[Dasmaster]

This is all a bit V for Vendetta for me. And by that I mean rolling soliloquy about not a lot.

Anonymity is not guaranteed. If we all desire transparency, the members of Anon should be forced to reveal their identities. It's a double standard.

They can't protect Wikileaks and expect to be treated like the untouchables themselves. I want to publish their names and see what they do about it. I think it'd definitely make them think twice about writing pretense like this again.

Anon does not reveal there identity's, everyone is the same however they are completely transparent in what they are doing. Aside from a few hackers who have there own forums and such which you most know so its kinda a "either your in or not" situation but they are still very much transparent.

 

[ZiggyE]

I love how everyone chooses to forget the good things Anonymous has done.

Who fueled the fires and led the world wide media drive against the unfair Iran elections? Not to mention the whole Scientology thing.

DDoS attacks are actually like the digital version of sit ins. They aren't just the bored 16 year old that the media would lead you to believe they are. Sure some are, but for the rest of them, I don't question the integrity of this letter.

 

[Digikid]

Anonymous has been and always will be for freedom of exchange of information. Exchange of information is what they thrive on and what they feed off of in order to survive. The fact that they view recent actions against WikiLeaks as a threat is unsurprising.

Sounds like a modern day version of Mirrors Edge. LOL!!!!

 

[Free Thinker]

Grammar Nazi in me: "He used "buy" instead of "by"!"
This will be one Anonymous' movements I openly support. I don't know how people will respond, but chances are the media will twist it to their whim and make them out as the "bad guy" once again.

 

[Blind Sight]

Very good, pushing themselves as an idea rather then a group, ideas are far harder to kill, that's Propaganda 101.

 

[blipblop]

Seems pretty pretentious. Anonymous aren't some awesome freedom fighters. They're just a bunch of dedicated people around the World who know how to organize themselves. They don't "fight for freedom". Now, I'm not bad-mouthing anonymous here, a lot of what they're doing/have done is great. But a lot of it is just stupid pranks, I mean how are people meant to take them seriously if one day they're spending all their efforts defending an international figure from "THE EVIL GOVERNMENTS!" and then the next day they're attacking and threatening a young girl over the internet.

Come on anon, get your shit together and fight for more things that matter, like Julian. Hopefully what they're doing now is a step in the right direction.

However, I have to say that in this case I don't support Assange that much. I think that what the Governments have done to him is unfair, although I don't think that he should release certain things on wikileaks. Like "Sites around the World which are important to America". I mean, what is that meant to accomplish? I don't care if that shit is hidden from me by the Government, I'm not asking for it. But if they release that, they're just giving terrorists a multitude of effective targets.

Agreed on essentially every point... Thanks for saving me the typing, I really can't add that much to this other than I can see why the US in particular is putting the squeeze on Wikileaks, given the stuff leaked. The honest opinions of various diplomats was interesting, but the vital sites? We don't really care, and yet that can be directly useful to someone planning mischief. As you said.

You cant really blame Wikileaks for releasing info that can help terrorists etc... Its very existence is because of countries such as America which has become to dishonest and incapable of informing its citizens of even the basics and prefer brushing things under someone elses rug instead of fixing it then blaming it on them... i mean this is chlid behaviour.

If there was no "juicy secrets" none would care about wikileaks or supply it with top secret documents and it would just go away into a lake of obscure websites.

I´m sorry but what are this vital information the US of A is so afraid of. the documents doesn´t realy specify anything to any degre that it would help a terrorist.
I beleve your media is fear mongering you

They released a video not long ago about an Apache gunner shooting down civilian journalists holding cameras then as they were crawling away they tried to geode them into making an excuse to kill them. After that a van drove up and people came out to try and carry them to the hospital. The gunner opened fire on the van which at the time had 2 children inside along with all the other people.

And mind you all along the gunner were enjoying himself since he could shoot "those bastards"

This is just the tip of the icebearg

I dont know what this has to do whit making America an easy target for the terrorist??