Oh it feels so juicy hearing Kevin Conroy say thE very lines from the comic book
I can't wait to here Mark say his
Another Batman: The Killing Joke trailer and this one is miles better :D
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Oh it feels so juicy hearing Kevin Conroy say thE very lines from the comic book
I can't wait to here Mark say his
Having not seen the first one, that's the "better" trailer? Visually, that looks atrocious. Glacial frame rate, no sense of line variation, flat framing and characters, stiff looking and just mediocre artistry.
I'm actually impressed that someone could take inspiration from such a visually striking comic and make it look so boring and lifeless.
Batman sounds a little weird to me.
All that said, I never really cared that much for the killing joke. It had, like, 2 interesting bits that get blown way out of proportion in terms of literary brilliance. Even Alan Moore said something along the lines of "it's pretty meh".
I'm actually impressed that someone could take inspiration from such a visually striking comic and make it look so boring and lifeless.
Batman sounds a little weird to me.
All that said, I never really cared that much for the killing joke. It had, like, 2 interesting bits that get blown way out of proportion in terms of literary brilliance. Even Alan Moore said something along the lines of "it's pretty meh".
The frame rate does look really weird, doesn't it?axlryder said:
It's really bizarre. None of the other recent DC animation movies have this problem, so I don't know what the hell is going on. Maybe they're jumping the gun and releasing footage that still needs polishing?
Besides that, the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of this film. The Killing Joke is a really disturbing story, with a lot of things that are just kind of hard to read. It's not one of those things I want to go back and read frequently, despite how much I like the story, so I'm not really game to retread it in animated form.
I'm with Zhukov on this one: I read the killing joke and it utterly failed to make any impact on me.
I'll watch this one, sure. Hell, I'll probably buy it when it comes out because one of these days I hope they'll finally give us Kingdom Come.
It kind of reminds me of the recent trend where 'strong' female characters show they are strong by continually getting brutalized: let's be dark and edgy and have brutal encounters take the place of characterization and be the motivation for everything in the comic.
It does have Conroy as Batman and Hamill as Joker. Kind of hard to complain about that. Now that I think about it, that pretty much guarantees I'll buy it.
I'll watch this one, sure. Hell, I'll probably buy it when it comes out because one of these days I hope they'll finally give us Kingdom Come.
It kind of reminds me of the recent trend where 'strong' female characters show they are strong by continually getting brutalized: let's be dark and edgy and have brutal encounters take the place of characterization and be the motivation for everything in the comic.
It does have Conroy as Batman and Hamill as Joker. Kind of hard to complain about that. Now that I think about it, that pretty much guarantees I'll buy it.
flying_whimsy said:
To be the Devild's advocate, I feel that what happened to Barbara was mostly just a way to hurt Commissioner Gordon. It's not as much about her being a woman, she was simply just the person closest to Gordon, and thus was used to "break" him. For the latter part of the story the focus is on rescuing Gordon and finding out if he will break just like Joker and Batman. After all, he was the "best" of them, the one who was working tirelessly within the system, by the book, day after day.
That said, whatever vaguely sexual thing they did with Barbara... yeah, not a fan of that. I suppose in something like this it's either that or some kind of horrible violence, but it's true that whatever the reasons, we've seen far too much of this already.
That said, whatever vaguely sexual thing they did with Barbara... yeah, not a fan of that. I suppose in something like this it's either that or some kind of horrible violence, but it's true that whatever the reasons, we've seen far too much of this already.
Probably has to do with the time it was released.Zhukov said:
Killing Joke was released in the late 80s, and this was when comic books started to move into darker and edgier territory. This movement was heavily inspired by works such as Watchmen, the Dark Knight Returns and the Killing Joke. These titles were popular, because they were considered new and innovated at the time.
So I guess its sort of like Half Life 2, innovative at the time, but not so much by today's standards.
I generally thought it was great that we got an origin story with the Joker. Yes I know there were other ones and wheather or not this or another was canon at all but this origin did made Joker abit sympathy if only slightly.Zhukov said:
Also this was also the only first Batman actualy shown mercy for the Joker, the guy who has killed countless of people including crippling Babara!
Lastly, it was in the same tone with The Watchmen, being edgy and all when it was a good thing back then!
OT- Either way, I am stocked! I want to see those great scenes in animatic form!
I'm sure I shouldn't have expected otherwise, but its color scheme seems to be from the 2008 edition rather than the original. Bummer.
Also, as much as I like his art, I think I never gave Brian Bolland enough credit; seeing TKJ in a sorta B:TAS drawing style instead feels... kinda odd.
Eh, there's no way I'm not watching it, anyways.
Also, as much as I like his art, I think I never gave Brian Bolland enough credit; seeing TKJ in a sorta B:TAS drawing style instead feels... kinda odd.
Eh, there's no way I'm not watching it, anyways.
To be fair these DC Animated Movies have more or less tried to recreate the art style of the comic its based on. I mean look at the Dark Knight Returns. But I think this fusion of Bolland's art and the art of B:TAS to me is a match made in heaven because reading the 2008 one it really reminded me of the tone of the TAS show.Ogoid said:
Also imagine if DC fully adaptd the art style of Kingdom Come for its animated adaption:
See, that was the thing that tossed me in with the "Why is this so important?" camp, and I wasn't trying to be snooty or anything, I knew that people really liked it I just couldn't understand why, discovered it was a combination of things.Scarim Coral said:
I had probably overhyped it for myself a little bit, I tend to do that. And the friend I borrowed it from had tried to explain it as an origin story for the Joker in a time when that meant something so if I had been a Batman fan and read it wen it came out, I'd probably be heralding it too.
Still, thinking about it more artistically than emotionally, I can see it's good. It's an origin story done right for the Joker which is pretty tricky for a character that, from what I understand, is meant to be something of an enigma when it comes to history an motive. But they still got it right, they don't give him a name and you feel like this guy's going to become the Joker one way or another, like it's only a matter of time, which it was in a way.
"All it takes is one bad day..."
And for the record, the panel where he's laughing and clutching his head, I have never heard a character's voice in my head as clearly and as frighteningly as that picture translated to my head.
Now that *that* wall of text is out there, the movie.
I expected it to look, I don't want to say better because that sounds mean but, yeah, better.
I don't know, I'll see it when it comes out but I feel like I'm going to regard it the same way I do the book.
I meant they slowed it down just for the trailer. And you're right, the last time we had a Joker was in Young Justice, and he was a disappointment.undeadsuitor said:
Okay, so I'm neither a huge superhero fan, batman fan nor indeed a big comic fan. (I think the medium makes for inherently poor pacing.) So I'll happily admit that there may be something I'm missing here.Scarim Coral said:
However. I always thought the Joker's lack of distinct origin and incomprehensible motives made him more interesting. Solve the mystery and it becomes less interesting, y'know?
Plus this origin was... kinda silly. His pregnant wife dies in an accident and then he falls into a vat of chemicals. Colour me unimpressed.
Doesn't he literally say that he prefers his origin to be multiple choice? There's enough evidence to argue that Joker was lying his ass off during that whole sob story.Zhukov said:
Animation on this looks really bad. DC still hasn't made an animated film that will top Under the Red Hood, and that came out six years ago.