Another Incident in Portland

[Satinavian]

Could it be that you didn't hear about it because you weren't from those affected races.

Quotas and Soviet Jewry

Although quotas linked to the proportion of a given ethnic group in the population have governed admission to the universities in the Soviet Union for more than two decades, and

www.commentarymagazine.com

It is because :

a) I am from the Eastern block but not the Soviet Union itself and we never had such quotas
b) I am too young
c) Jews are a religion, not a race and religious discriminination was indeed a thing
d) part of this is due to Stalins paranoia that at one time went in the direction of jews
e) The article mostly complains about other groups of the soviet union slowly catching up while fully achnowledging that jews still remain one of the best educated groups there. As if it was a problem that doctor of medicine slowly stopped to be a jewish occupation.
I mean, when this article was written, nearly 10% of all jews in the Soviet union hah a job in some scientific field. After decades of this supposed suppression of jews in academia.

 

[Iron]

It is because :

a) I am from the Eastern block but not the Soviet Union itself and we never had such quotas
b) I am too young
c) Jews are a religion, not a race and religious discriminination was indeed a thing
d) part of this is due to Stalins paranoia that at one time went in the direction of jews
e) The article mostly complains about other groups of the soviet union slowly catching up while fully achnowledging that jews still remain one of the best educated groups there. As if it was a problem that doctor of medicine slowly stopped to be a jewish occupation.
I mean, when this article was written, nearly 10% of all jews in the Soviet union hah a job in some scientific field. After decades of this supposed suppression of jews in academia.

>Jews are not a Race
Wrong.USSR had atheism as a state religion and did not consider the religion of a person relevant in their identifications.
Jews, however, were considered an ethnic group in the USSR, and were identified as such.
"Supposed" suppression. Yeah man, there are too many Jews in academia, we ought to keep doing our racist programs to get that number further down.

 

[Iron]

Or Satinavian could be under the age of ~65, and the situation changed later.

Or you never learned from your mistakes, even after the secret speech, and would rather clump all of this system's failings with "Counter-revolutionaries" rather than admit it sucks.

Just like how modern Labor in the UK blames "dissidents" in the party instead of taking blame for its shit policies and handling of the elections.

b) I am too young

Age of 65 in a gaming forums, sure man.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

c) Jews are a religion, not a race and religious discriminination was indeed a thing

This is incorrect. You're conflating Christianity with Judaism. The Jewish religion is the religion of the Jewish people.

 

[dreng3]

"Certain fields" yet so many college graduates aren't getting the jobs needed to pay off their debts. Sounds like a problem to me.

Also, education doesn't have inherent value in and of itself. Learning all about the clover mite does not give someone any inherent benefit unless they use that information for something. Education is important in that we can teach kids life skills and encourage them to pursue learning and thinking for themselves so as to lead to betterment for themselves and hopefully others, but just the act of learning about something does not inherently give value to someone.

Education helps foster a certain mindset. And while I agree that most natural sciences beyond high school level carry few benefits to daily life the humanities have a lot to offer in terms of perspective and reasoning, something we seem to be sorely lacking these days.

 

[dreng3]

This is incorrect. You're conflating Christianity with Judaism. The Jewish religion is the religion of the Jewish people.

How are there black jews and white jews if it is one race, seeing as we usually consider different skin colour a defining trait when talking race?
Jews might be of the same culture (all religion is culture, so if that is shared we can talk about a jewish culture), but they most certainly aren't a unified race.

 

[Iron]

How are there black jews and white jews if it is one race, seeing as we usually consider different skin colour a defining trait when talking race?
Jews might be of the same culture (all religion is culture, so if that is shared we can talk about a jewish culture), but they most certainly aren't a unified race.

Hating Jews isn't Racism, guys! This guy solved it! Jews come in several colors, so it's ok to discriminate against Jews, it's not racism!
Jesus the mental gymnastics here, were you unhappy you couldn't go to the Tokyo Olympics?

Education helps foster a certain mindset. And while I agree that most natural sciences beyond high school level carry few benefits to daily life the humanities have a lot to offer in terms of perspective and reasoning, something we seem to be sorely lacking these days.

It's funny because there was no humanities in the USSR soviet universities. Technical students weren't allowed to study any courses in history of philosophy, for example.

 

[dreng3]

Hating Jews isn't Racism, guys! This guy solved it! Jews come in several colors, so it's ok to discriminate against Jews, it's not racism!
Jesus the mental gymnastics here, were you unhappy you couldn't go to the Tokyo Olympics?

It's funny because there was no humanities in the USSR soviet universities. Technical students weren't allowed to study any courses in history of philosophy, for example.

1. Discrimination is still bad if it isn't racism. Call it xenophobia, anti-judaism, anti-semitism (this one has been watered down a bit in recent years), I don't care, I don't agree with discrimination and I don't support it.
2. I'm not commenting on soviet education, I'm talking about universal access to education in a modern world.

 

[Silvanus]

Or you never learned from your mistakes, even after the secret speech, and would rather clump all of this system's failings with "Counter-revolutionaries" rather than admit it sucks.

Pardon me?

I'm pointing out that the evidence you've provided doesn't really constitute the smoking gun you seem to think it does. There are other valid explanations that would mean the quotas weren't in place in Satinavian's environment, and your link does very little to demonstrate anything conclusive on that point.

It's funny because there was no humanities in the USSR soviet universities.

This is just bollocks, you made it up.

 

[Satinavian]

This is incorrect. You're conflating Christianity with Judaism. The Jewish religion is the religion of the Jewish people.

Jews as race is Nazi nonsense. The Jewish religion makes a jew not jewish genes. We don't look into birth registers anymore to determine who is a jew or maybe a half jew or a quarter jew and ignore what those persons actually believe.

It is true that conversion to judaism is kinda difficult and there is a huge emphasis on matrilinear inheritance but it is still a religion not a race. I might concede ethnicy in some cases considering how closed many jewish communities are. But even in that cases there just are jewish ethnic groups, not one big jewish ethnicy. Similar to many other rather closed communities with some religion as important factor of identification.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

How are there black jews and white jews if it is one race, seeing as we usually consider different skin colour a defining trait when talking race?
Jews might be of the same culture (all religion is culture, so if that is shared we can talk about a jewish culture), but they most certainly aren't a unified race.

That is a product of the modern day and because of Christianity's own method of proliferation.

To be Jewish can be a reference to religion or someones ethnicity. Do I really have to do the most basic research for you?

Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎ ISO 259-2 Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and a nation[11][12][13] originating from the Israelites[14][15][16] and Hebrews[17][18] of historical Israel and Judah. Jewish ethnicity, nationhood, and religion are strongly interrelated,[19][20] as Judaism is the ethnic religion of the Jewish people, while its observance varies from strict observance to complete nonobservance.[21

 

[lil devils x]

The Little Cards That Tell Police 'Let's Forget This Ever Happened'

Some cops give their friends and family union-issued "courtesy cards" to help get them out of minor infractions. The cards embody everything wrong with modern policing.

www.vice.com

Ugh yea these remind me of when the Meth dealers here were putting the police department donation stickers on their windows so they wouldn't get raided.

 

[dreng3]

That is a product of the modern day and because of Christianity's own method of proliferation.

To be Jewish can be a reference to religion or someones ethnicity. Do I really have to do the most basic research for you?

Ahh yes, citing wikipedia, the mark of a true scholar.

How can something be a reference to either religion or ethnicity when there is such great variation of ethnic traits within the group? Or are you arguing for there being a "true jewish race"? After such a lengthy history with wide varieties of diaspora and marriages with other ethnicities what was once an ethnically homogenous group with a shared religion is now an ethnically diverse group with a shared religion. Referring to a jewish race is nonsense.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Ahh yes, citing wikipedia, the mark of a true scholar.

How can something be a reference to either religion or ethnicity when there is such great variation of ethnic traits within the group? Or are you arguing for there being a "true jewish race"? After such a lengthy history with wide varieties of diaspora and marriages with other ethnicities what was once an ethnically homogenous group with a shared religion is now an ethnically diverse group with a shared religion. Referring to a jewish race is nonsense.

There's a reason I called it the "most basic research". Here's an even more basic one.

.
Jew
Noun
A member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham

 

[lil devils x]

There's a reason I called it the "most basic research". Here's an even more basic one.

So you're saying that since Ivanka cannot do that she is not considered Jewish because she only converted but has no ancestry to the Jewish people? Converts are Jewish and have no Jewish ancestry.

Many Christians and Muslims can trace their ancestry back to the same Jewish ancestry, but are not considered Jews in any sense of the term. The early Christians were literally Jews who believed that Jesus was the son of god so they have a shared ancestry. Muslims were their descendants who then believed that that Jesus was only a prophet and that Muhammad was the last prophet. Both Jews and Muslims believe that the son of god, Christ has not yet come.

 

[dreng3]

There's a reason I called it the "most basic research". Here's an even more basic one.

You are still failing to address the arguments presented to you. How can jews be a reference to a singular ethnicity when jews as a group is so ethnically diverse? And if you insist that it can be a reference to an ethnic group I want you to tell me exactly which group of jews is the one we refer to when making a reference to jews as an ethnic group.

 

[Agema]

You are still failing to address the arguments presented to you. How can jews be a reference to a singular ethnicity when jews as a group is so ethnically diverse? And if you insist that it can be a reference to an ethnic group I want you to tell me exactly which group of jews is the one we refer to when making a reference to jews as an ethnic group.

Ethnicity is not the same as race. It refers to a sort of grouping which may include race, but also culture, nationality, etc. It is reasonable to say Jewish is an ethnicity.

Otherwise, race works as normal. Got a "pure" Jewish grandparent? Maybe you're Jewish then, even if the other three-quarters of your ancestry isn't. If those other three-quarters are black people, you'll probably be a black Jew. If the were white, you'll be a white Jew. What's tricky here? This is pretty uncontroversial for how race works. There's no such thing as a pure race. We're all mongrels.

 

[Iron]

Ahh yes, citing wikipedia, the mark of a true scholar.

How can something be a reference to either religion or ethnicity when there is such great variation of ethnic traits within the group? Or are you arguing for there being a "true jewish race"? After such a lengthy history with wide varieties of diaspora and marriages with other ethnicities what was once an ethnically homogenous group with a shared religion is now an ethnically diverse group with a shared religion. Referring to a jewish race is nonsense.

Hey mister Nazi, listen here.
Soviets categorized Jews as an ethnicity in the USSR. Soviet passports had no mention of religion.
Can you please stop protecting racism against Jews?

 

[Iron]

Pardon me?

I'm pointing out that the evidence you've provided doesn't really constitute the smoking gun you seem to think it does. There are other valid explanations that would mean the quotas weren't in place in Satinavian's environment, and your link does very little to demonstrate anything conclusive on that point.



This is just bollocks, you made it up.

Did I? Read the the next sentence, it makes sense.

I don't think it's a smoking gun. In fact, I think that nothing short of Stalin gobsmacking you with his limp hand and sending you off to mine uranium in Butugychag to die of exposure would make you think ill of the USSR.

There are always valid explanations. It's "counter-revolutionaries", "traitors", "corruption", etc. but never communism.

 

[Revnak]

Race isn’t real but that never stopped racists.