They’re BLM, but they’re kinda shallow in their activism. For them the protests are about “awareness” rather than demanding change.
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All we know is that they aren't too bright, or else someone in the organization would have pointed out that their initials are PP...
sorry for the derail but I am a child
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Until they show footage, I'm not assuming there was a firefight.
Even if there was a firefight: if an unmarked van rolls up on you, a half dozen armed people jump out to kidnap you, and violently defending yourself is bad, what's even the point of being armed to begin with?
Seriously, are conservatives honestly arguing that you shouldn't defend yourself from kidnappers on the off chance they might be law enforcement officers?
He was getting death threats, his sister was getting death threats, why should he have believed those plain clothed government agents were legit?
sorry again, derailing the thread onto another track sorry
So, I know this comment is a few days old and an all, but it's generally understood that people stop asking for things if you actually give them the things they ask for, because there is a genuine shortage of justice in the justice system presently in regards to these things (like, say for instance, those body cameras usually being off for the actual shoot), and to illustrate this point, I'm going to bring up Daniel Shaver.
Back at the beginning of 2016, Shaver and a friend of his were staying at a hotel, where they had been drinking. Shaver worked pest control, killing birds that got inside stores with an air rifle, which the two of them were playing with (which, yes, is incredibly fucking stupid, obviously), and one of them ended up taking it out onto the balcony, where passer-bys (rather understandable, to be fair) told the hotel staff, who called the police. Enter in the fucking morons and killers that is the Mesa Police Department*, and the rest, well that was caught on body cam
(Oh boy, grandpa found his liquor again: a ramble in three or so parts)
So, I know this comment is a few days old and an all, but it's generally understood that people stop asking for things if you actually give them the things they ask for, because there is a genuine shortage of justice in the justice system presently in regards to these things (like, say for instance, those body cameras usually being off for the actual shoot), and to illustrate this point, I'm going to bring up Daniel Shaver.
Back at the beginning of 2016, Shaver and a friend of his were staying at a hotel, where they had been drinking. Shaver worked pest control, killing birds that got inside stores with an air rifle, which the two of them were playing with (which, yes, is incredibly fucking stupid, obviously), and one of them ended up taking it out onto the balcony, where passer-bys (rather understandable, to be fair) told the hotel staff, who called the police. Enter in the fucking morons and killers that is the Mesa Police Department*, and the rest, well that was caught on body cam
The absolute fucking kicker of this? In his subsequent murder trial, the defense argued that the officer, Phillip Brailsford (who, in an absolutely fucking weirdly small weird, was the boyfriend to my older sister's friend during high school) had to shoot him to protect himself (a man armed with a rifle, handgun, body armor, and the training to use them), the other officers on scene (armed likewise as Brailsford) from Shaver.
(Part 2)
If you didn't want to watch a man die (I would not blame you at all), to sum up what happened, the cops arrived and started giving conflicting orders to Shaver that basically amounted to a cruel game of twister, and when he reached down to try and pull his pants up as he was crawling along the ground, officer Phiilip Brailsford shot him 5 times and killed him. Brailsford is then fired from the Mesa PD, and charged with second degree murder, but after a bullshit court case (it was ruled that the evidence of Brailsford's service weapon having the phrase "You're fucked" written on it, on not only a police officers rifle but the murder weapon in a murder trial at that, was "prejudicial" if you can believe it) was acquitted of all charges. I really wish this was the end of this story, but the epilogue is particularly nasty. Two years after the murder, Brailsford is rehired by the Mesa PD for less than two months, so he could claim PTSD from the killing of Shaver (the fucking nerve of this scum bag), retire with disability and recieve a pension. The worst fucking part? No one knew until a year after his retirement.
If you didn't want to watch a man die (I would not blame you at all), to sum up what happened, the cops arrived and started giving conflicting orders to Shaver that basically amounted to a cruel game of twister, and when he reached down to try and pull his pants up as he was crawling along the ground, officer Phiilip Brailsford shot him 5 times and killed him. Brailsford is then fired from the Mesa PD, and charged with second degree murder, but after a bullshit court case (it was ruled that the evidence of Brailsford's service weapon having the phrase "You're fucked" written on it, on not only a police officers rifle but the murder weapon in a murder trial at that, was "prejudicial" if you can believe it) was acquitted of all charges. I really wish this was the end of this story, but the epilogue is particularly nasty. Two years after the murder, Brailsford is rehired by the Mesa PD for less than two months, so he could claim PTSD from the killing of Shaver (the fucking nerve of this scum bag), retire with disability and recieve a pension. The worst fucking part? No one knew until a year after his retirement.
(Part 3, this forums post limit is weird)
And just in case you think that, maybe the problem got fixed since then (if you're the optimist type I guess), let me tell you the sequel to that horror story, of Ryan Whitaker.
So picture this: you're sitting in your apartment late one night, playing video games with your girlfriend. Your daughter had just completed high school, and your having a nice time, getting into the game with your girl when there come a loud banging at your door. While not terribly suspicious in itself, it is when you live in one of the dicier parts of town, and someone had knocked on your front door late at night a few days beforehand, and left before you could see who it was. But it's okay, you live in Arizona, which means you can carry a firearm in your home to defend yourself. Fearing the worst, you tell your girlfriend to stay down as you grab your pistol and answer the door...where upon you stumble upon a Phoenix police officer pointing a flashlight in your face. You both are, quite understandably, startled on seeing the other, and the officer tells you to drop the gun, which you start to do...when suddenly shots ring out as you get shot in the back by his partner, and then left there, lying on the ground bleeding to death, and struggling to breath. Your girlfriend hears the commotion, and comes running to the door, and finds you lying there...
So where is all this justice we are apparently overflowing with?
EDIT : Removed redundant spoiler redundancies for removal
And just in case you think that, maybe the problem got fixed since then (if you're the optimist type I guess), let me tell you the sequel to that horror story, of Ryan Whitaker.
So picture this: you're sitting in your apartment late one night, playing video games with your girlfriend. Your daughter had just completed high school, and your having a nice time, getting into the game with your girl when there come a loud banging at your door. While not terribly suspicious in itself, it is when you live in one of the dicier parts of town, and someone had knocked on your front door late at night a few days beforehand, and left before you could see who it was. But it's okay, you live in Arizona, which means you can carry a firearm in your home to defend yourself. Fearing the worst, you tell your girlfriend to stay down as you grab your pistol and answer the door...where upon you stumble upon a Phoenix police officer pointing a flashlight in your face. You both are, quite understandably, startled on seeing the other, and the officer tells you to drop the gun, which you start to do...when suddenly shots ring out as you get shot in the back by his partner, and then left there, lying on the ground bleeding to death, and struggling to breath. Your girlfriend hears the commotion, and comes running to the door, and finds you lying there...
EDIT : Removed redundant spoiler redundancies for removal
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(Part 4, holy shit this character limit sucks and grandpa needs to stop drinking)
*If you have a problem with my characterization of the thugs known as the Mesa PD, for a little bit of context, around the same time as the Shaver murder they shot and killed a mentally handicapped person at a gas station literally 1000 feet from the house I was renting at the time.
EDIT: Sorry about this massive turd I just left here, I had a rather poor day at work and I guess it got to me a bit.
*If you have a problem with my characterization of the thugs known as the Mesa PD, for a little bit of context, around the same time as the Shaver murder they shot and killed a mentally handicapped person at a gas station literally 1000 feet from the house I was renting at the time.
EDIT: Sorry about this massive turd I just left here, I had a rather poor day at work and I guess it got to me a bit.
Oh the lol is very much warranted as I wouldn't want to be either of those people right not cause one of them or the other ratted him out and people will realise that.
Also Unmarked SUV is so they can get in position before moving in to take some-one it gives a little more of the element of surprise. They'd only deploy from market ones as a show of force and it probably doesn't help that such kind of marked vehicles become easy targets in the streets for assholes wanting to take their shots. Some Police helicopters have bullet proof bottom sections because flying over some areas people will take pot shots at the thing just because they hate the cops so badly (and this was before the most recent wave of anger towards them.)
I dunno being a crazy asshole who thinks he's saving the world and has little else he values in life or sees of worth it doing something insane / stupid and being suckered in to rhetoric and thinking you must act doesn't seem that unique.
From what I've seen of the Vice interview (just clips before it came out) his reasoning was in his belief either he killed the Patriot Prayer person there and then or they'd go out and murder black families.
It sounds like he'd fully bought into the "Deplorables" idea that anyone who supports Trump is a monster and the enemy and not redeemable so it was his duty to save people by killing them first.
Yeh but you forget the other seemed to think it should be his job instead to kill those who they deem unworthy or "On the Wrong side of History".
Yet any evidence of taking responsibility for your actions can and will reduce your possible sentence in all but the most despicable crimes.
No the kid brought a medical kit. He was handed a gun by the owner of the garage or the others helping protect the place.
Yeh the people with Police printed on their vest who if they bust down your door will yell "Police No-body move" really are just random people who you have no way of telling who they are.
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Also it only takes 1 bullet to kill a person. Body armour can hell but it's not perfect and apparently it still hurts like hell being shot even in body armour.
As for giving people what they want.
Here's some demands I've heard from people who claimed to be BLM in the past:
$3 Trillion in reparations payments which amounts to about $850,000 per Black person in America.
A full separate government for black people who govern black people and set law for black people independent of the standard government.
To be allowed to drag Trump out of the Whitehouse and into the streets.
To be given houses of people live in formerly black neighbourhoods that was gentrified when people likely saved up and bought that housing with their money in good faith hoping to settle down.
You can say justice all you like but is that justice of a blindfolded lady with a set of scales or justice in the form of a tree and rope.
There is an issue with the Police in the USA it seems but there isn't an easy solution other than give Police only tasers and taser rifles for their first 2 years and require them to complete then repeat firearms training every say 5 years if they want to carry a standard gun.
Thing is doing that still won't satisfy every-one because some people just hate the Police because they represent authority and they just fight anything that looks like authority.
Like this guy
Thing is there is no easy solution. The camera have to be able to be turned off just for privacy reasons sometimes.
Also it only takes 1 bullet to kill a person. Body armour can hell but it's not perfect and apparently it still hurts like hell being shot even in body armour.
As for giving people what they want.
Here's some demands I've heard from people who claimed to be BLM in the past:
$3 Trillion in reparations payments which amounts to about $850,000 per Black person in America.
A full separate government for black people who govern black people and set law for black people independent of the standard government.
To be allowed to drag Trump out of the Whitehouse and into the streets.
To be given houses of people live in formerly black neighbourhoods that was gentrified when people likely saved up and bought that housing with their money in good faith hoping to settle down.
You can say justice all you like but is that justice of a blindfolded lady with a set of scales or justice in the form of a tree and rope.
There is an issue with the Police in the USA it seems but there isn't an easy solution other than give Police only tasers and taser rifles for their first 2 years and require them to complete then repeat firearms training every say 5 years if they want to carry a standard gun.
Thing is doing that still won't satisfy every-one because some people just hate the Police because they represent authority and they just fight anything that looks like authority.
Like this guy
Lol no it won’t. There are people doing life because somebody tortured a confession out of them in the 70’s. Their playing ball afterwards meant nothing. To win with the American justice system you must play by its own intensely adversarial rules. OJ got off because his lawyer bullshitted about some gloves, not because he went in easy.
Going out of your way to defend the murderer I wasn’t even accusing here. Shows your priorities.
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You say this as though Patriot Prayer dudes committing racialized violence upto and including murder is unprecedented. It is not.
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So after the confession was tortured from them they behaved. So what about before the confession was tortured from them?
Oh and you did say he literally brought a gun to a protest so that would be more likely Kyle Rittenhouse in this case you were referencing.
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Just wanted to say that this makes me want to puke, the fact that they are allowed to get away with this kind of behaviour is appalling, on the first video the guy was clearly unarmed and they could have easily restrained him, he was also clearly trying to cooperate but was also clearly having some sort of panic attack, which is reasonable considering that the cop kept reminding him over and over again that he was going to kill him, like I don't know how else he was supposed to react, everything he could have done would've easily violated the cop's commands, like seriously instead of trying to de-escalate the situation by calming the guy down, the cop was deliberately provoking him, trying to scare him, there's no way that's appropriate and that cop should have been in jail, the fact that he got to retire with a pension just adds insult to injury.
As for the second one, I mean what the hell?
They didn't even give the guy a chance to react, and from what little we see it seems like he was going to put the gun down, but we'll never know because that asshole wannabee cowboy cop just killed him in cold blood, and the way they treated the girlfriend was also very cruel, though I'll admit that I have no idea how that sort of stuff is supposed to be handled.
I don't know what to say other that, how is it that people don't see there's a legitimate problem when cops get away with shit like that?
Wait, you’re blaming people for getting false confessions tortured out of themselves?
I purposely avoid using the names of murderers when they aren’t already famous so as not to glamorize violence so I will grant you the slightest thoroughly undeserved leeway.
No I'm asking what happened before the confession. Was there a multi-state manhunt or did they hand themselves in. That's what's being talked about here.
I’m talking about a wide number of cases in Chicago since they had a famous “closer” who would hook up electrodes to black kids’ testicles to extract confessions, which he also trained his fellow officers to do.
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Jon Burge and Chicago’s legacy of police torture
Jon Burge joined the Chicago Police Department in 1970, serving in various investigative posts and as commander from 1986 until his firing in 1993. He was convicted in 2010 of lying about the tortu…
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Chicago, and Illinois generally, are well known as playing host to tons and tons of corruption.
I'm kind of interested to see what the place would be like if they voted out the Dems and tried the Repubs (or hell, even Progressives) for a few years. Maybe better? Maybe a lot worse? It'd just be an interesting experiment at this point, because it's been pretty shit under current management.
I'm kind of interested to see what the place would be like if they voted out the Dems and tried the Repubs (or hell, even Progressives) for a few years. Maybe better? Maybe a lot worse? It'd just be an interesting experiment at this point, because it's been pretty shit under current management.
Well yeah, but CPD is also particularly horrific even divorced from that, as the whole testicle torture thing shows.