Any ideas for obesity?
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It was the fact you said "I don't know, maybe you should put more effort in?" and "run more" that I saw as an attack. He's working out, but it doesn't work totally - so he's clearly just being lazy. Nice logic.Laxman9292 said:
As he said - the workout DOES work, it just builds muscle under the fat, which makes you appear fatter. Things like sit-ups and other "spot-training" don't help burn fat, so it's no wonder (yes, they boost metabolism that indirectly burns fat, but from the whole body not those specific areas).
Maybe I am being sensitive, but as an overweight *technically obese but merely fat* bloke I am just annoyed that everyone assumes you're lazy (which is the impression I took from you're post) - I put a lot of effort into getting fitter (and I am, but I'm chubby), the weight is purely down to poor sleep-schedules and a crap diet caused by irregular working hours (and I need the job to, you know, afford the rent, water to shower, food, clothes, internet etc).
It comes down to the fact I cannot afford (in both time and money) to eat healthily (as I'm either on the move to/from/at work so can't eat or don't have time to shop - fresh food goes off quick), so the poor input means I don't have much success losing weight (but muscles on the other hand, are easy to build).
Farm them for a new type of resource...We could live off them.
Not cannabalism but you know like put them in wheels.
ELECTRICITY!!
Not cannabalism but you know like put them in wheels.
ELECTRICITY!!
If your fat then get off your ass and put down the fork, don't give me any of that genetic crap, all the genetically obese people should have been killed of by natural selection by now, as no-one wants to mate with a fat guy/gal.
My idea is to unleash slow moving tigers into the street, forcing people to outrun them constantly, eventually the fatter people would all be outrun by the thinner people and eaten until only the fittest and strongest survived.
My idea is to unleash slow moving tigers into the street, forcing people to outrun them constantly, eventually the fatter people would all be outrun by the thinner people and eaten until only the fittest and strongest survived.
100% of all people who live die.
Life is a horrible, debilitating disease. Any ideas on how to solve it?
No? Then why does everything else that kills people but doesn't rank up to your expectations of how people are supposed to be have to be fixed?
Life is a horrible, debilitating disease. Any ideas on how to solve it?
No? Then why does everything else that kills people but doesn't rank up to your expectations of how people are supposed to be have to be fixed?
I don't know how things works in the land there under (where women glow and men plunder?) but here in Sweden you don't need to pay for your healthcare, mostly. At all comes from the taxes.ScientificDJ said:
So if a fat person gets a heartattack because of his obesity he will cost money from society AND maybe even worse. Take focus from another patient that deserves the healthcare more.
yeah i see where you're coming from now. and yeah i think things work pretty much the same here in australia.Shycte said:
You don't get health care because your fat, you get it because you have the money or your job provides it, and not all fat people have heart problems. Just because you can stereo type some one does not mean you should.Shycte said:
Not ALL fatpeople get heartattacks I know. But enough people gets some kind of disease because of their obesity.Connor Lonske said:
Now you are american and I understand that it works diffrently where you live. But here in Sweden you don't pay for your heathcare, not the majority atleast. See where I'm coming from?...
Think you nailed it man, saving the world and these people!ShotgunShaman said:
I can't see how people can just watch themsleves get fat, never mind obese. I suppose they comfort eat so it's a vicious cycle but even still. My ideas?
Like the OP, stop making huge clothes, or perhaps charge WAY more for them
Try and encourage people to stay fit. The government should try and fund gyms to help people get back into shape.
Liking some of other peoples suggestions too, some shall we say, intersting ideas lol
I know I should of read through the many pages of this thread but my ADHD kicked in about page 4 so I'm not. Besides it seems that the majority of posts aren't actually discussing anything but just throwing out the same old tired BS about obese people that they have really never actually had to try or claming that they will be a burden on health care with nary a scred of proof to be seen for the effectiveness of their suggestions or for the supposed burden on healthcare.
Look, there is a difference between "Fat" and "Obese". Fat is having an unhealthy ratio of fat to muscle mass. Obese is an arbitrary label from the BMI index. The BMI index is about as accurate at predicting who is unhealthy as I am to go outside and say there will be a natural disaster today. Docters today don't want to actually do any work in predicting who is actually carrying an unhealthy amount of fat so they use the BMI index so they don't have to think. All these studies about "obese" and different diseases ae almost as bad since all they use is the BMI index and a large enough cross section. They don't go into fat ratios or food habits or exercise routines or anything else. So in government studies of course it seems like we have a extremely large amount of "obese" people regardless of the fact of if they really are fat or just labeled that even when they are not.
I am 22 years old, am classed as "dangerously obese" at 254lbs and at 5'4". I do not eat alot of meats, eat mainly bread and pasta with vegetables and do heavy exercise 5 to 6 times a week for 4 to 8 hours at a time. I do have though very dense bones, an actually large bone structure (my wrist that has no fat on it is seven and a half inches around and I will email pics to anyone who needs proof), on a birth control that tends to have weight issues and a genetic tendency twards carrying extra fat. This has not stopped though every doctor I have ever been to in my entire life from just only looking at my height and weight and labeling me fat and saying I need to lose a hundred pounds. The problem with that is if I did that I would be dangerously unhealthy in my skinnyness.
The issue of fat needs to be handled much better then is currently is. Yes it could be helped by healthy food being cheaper but it isn't and wont be since the rules of supply and demand make it that the more people want it the more expensive it will get. Also healthy food needs to be more clearly defined. First eggs were bad then they were good, same for cheese, butter, grains, fat and everything else including water i.e. bottled water verses tap.
Instead of blaming the fat people or blaming their lifestyle or blaming the food, we should instead be blaming the lazy doctors who don't actually want to properly diagnose people as fat or not and instead just use a generic chart and blame the media for encouraging the ideal that only one type of body and anyone who doesn't have that is unhealthy and a burden to soceity.
A parting though on clothes: The fashion industry has been shrinking clothing sizes in the states for years. If you take a medium from 15 years ago and compare it to a medium of today, the medium from today is dramtically smaller. This may be a cost issue, I don't know but I do know that in any country that doesn't use measurements to define their clothing sizes and instead uses a random size assignment is going to have people with body issues because between shrinking sizes and the labeling it makes them feel worse about themselves.
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Btw, has anyone ever thought to look up the benefits of having a bit of extra fat? Like if you carry a bit more fat you are less likely to get sick in the hospital while being treated for something? Or girls not starving yourself through puberty lets you have bigger hips which heads off some problems with having children?
Look, there is a difference between "Fat" and "Obese". Fat is having an unhealthy ratio of fat to muscle mass. Obese is an arbitrary label from the BMI index. The BMI index is about as accurate at predicting who is unhealthy as I am to go outside and say there will be a natural disaster today. Docters today don't want to actually do any work in predicting who is actually carrying an unhealthy amount of fat so they use the BMI index so they don't have to think. All these studies about "obese" and different diseases ae almost as bad since all they use is the BMI index and a large enough cross section. They don't go into fat ratios or food habits or exercise routines or anything else. So in government studies of course it seems like we have a extremely large amount of "obese" people regardless of the fact of if they really are fat or just labeled that even when they are not.
I am 22 years old, am classed as "dangerously obese" at 254lbs and at 5'4". I do not eat alot of meats, eat mainly bread and pasta with vegetables and do heavy exercise 5 to 6 times a week for 4 to 8 hours at a time. I do have though very dense bones, an actually large bone structure (my wrist that has no fat on it is seven and a half inches around and I will email pics to anyone who needs proof), on a birth control that tends to have weight issues and a genetic tendency twards carrying extra fat. This has not stopped though every doctor I have ever been to in my entire life from just only looking at my height and weight and labeling me fat and saying I need to lose a hundred pounds. The problem with that is if I did that I would be dangerously unhealthy in my skinnyness.
The issue of fat needs to be handled much better then is currently is. Yes it could be helped by healthy food being cheaper but it isn't and wont be since the rules of supply and demand make it that the more people want it the more expensive it will get. Also healthy food needs to be more clearly defined. First eggs were bad then they were good, same for cheese, butter, grains, fat and everything else including water i.e. bottled water verses tap.
Instead of blaming the fat people or blaming their lifestyle or blaming the food, we should instead be blaming the lazy doctors who don't actually want to properly diagnose people as fat or not and instead just use a generic chart and blame the media for encouraging the ideal that only one type of body and anyone who doesn't have that is unhealthy and a burden to soceity.
A parting though on clothes: The fashion industry has been shrinking clothing sizes in the states for years. If you take a medium from 15 years ago and compare it to a medium of today, the medium from today is dramtically smaller. This may be a cost issue, I don't know but I do know that in any country that doesn't use measurements to define their clothing sizes and instead uses a random size assignment is going to have people with body issues because between shrinking sizes and the labeling it makes them feel worse about themselves.
-EDIT-
Btw, has anyone ever thought to look up the benefits of having a bit of extra fat? Like if you carry a bit more fat you are less likely to get sick in the hospital while being treated for something? Or girls not starving yourself through puberty lets you have bigger hips which heads off some problems with having children?