Any ideas for obesity?
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Oh I will. I think that the world really need more people like you. I don't know. Maybe I am just young, igonorant and stupid. This is just what I believe in right here right now.Connor Lonske said:
I just want to add that I think that it is better if the money goes to prevent people from becoming addicts and obease, smokers etc etc.
Maybe what this all comes down to is that I am a worshiper of personal responsibility. Your dog, your shit. Your mistake, your headache and so on. I quite often here about people, mostly from the US, doing this very stupid things and then compensation.
For example, someone tryes to steal their neighbours hubcaps. However, he forgets to check if someone is in the car before doing it. This results in that the thief gets in hand squashed. And you know what, he succesfully sues the neighbour.
My hatred for those kinds of things mabye have changed my view of the world. Just maybe.
I don't think the government should be doing anything, but I do think obese people need to try to take a bit of responsibility.
Exercise is a far better way to solve the problem than dieting. I say this as both a biologist and a former fat sod.
There is also a big difference between a bit of fat and morbid obesity that I think a lot of people on all sides of the equation need to learn.
Exercise is a far better way to solve the problem than dieting. I say this as both a biologist and a former fat sod.
There is also a big difference between a bit of fat and morbid obesity that I think a lot of people on all sides of the equation need to learn.
A lot of people don't seem to understand why the obese people in this thread would take offense to what's being said. Some people are probably aiming for that effect. For the former of the two groups mentioned, I'll try to elucidate some of the problems you're encountering. For the latter, insulting you would be hypocritical and counter-productive, as much as I'd like to do so. All I have for you is a sense of pity, despite being so "ugly" and "disgusting."
For those who are genuinely concerned about the obesity problem and those whom it afflicts; you're going about it the wrong way. You can't say things like
Obviously, society doesn't think being fat is okay, or we'd have a lot fewer fat people who hate themselves, we'd have a lot more people attracted to fat people, fat people wouldn't be one of the only groups of people who it's still okay to make fun of, and this thread would only be about 2 pages long! And as the argument has been made, it takes years to become obese. Do you think most fat people simply aren't self-aware? That they look down one day and say "Holy shit! What the hell happened?" Your criticism isn't going to suddenly make them realize what they've done and resolve to change their ways.
When you offer solutions, you need to be aware that while they will tend to be simple, none of them will be easy; even if it's the easiest thing in the world for you personally. Solutions for this problem require fundamental lifestyle changes - something that is exceptionally difficult for the weak-willed, where obesity tends to thrive. Empathy and patience is key with this type of situation. Just as it takes years to become obese, it takes years to get out of it and harshness, even with the best of intentions, can be terribly detrimental to the process.
Hopefully you can see how being abrasive and confrontational isn't helping, and try a different approach.
For those who are genuinely concerned about the obesity problem and those whom it afflicts; you're going about it the wrong way. You can't say things like
and expect anyone to not complain about it. Because first off, whether or not you say otherwise, you're trying to be mean. Why else would you use such descriptive imagery? Second off, whether or not what you're saying is true, you're being mean. You can try to justify your offensive tone with excuses like "society has made being fat okay, I need to show it isn't" or "people need to be shocked out of complacency," but can you honestly say to yourself that those ideas are rational?Idhenz said:
Obviously, society doesn't think being fat is okay, or we'd have a lot fewer fat people who hate themselves, we'd have a lot more people attracted to fat people, fat people wouldn't be one of the only groups of people who it's still okay to make fun of, and this thread would only be about 2 pages long! And as the argument has been made, it takes years to become obese. Do you think most fat people simply aren't self-aware? That they look down one day and say "Holy shit! What the hell happened?" Your criticism isn't going to suddenly make them realize what they've done and resolve to change their ways.
When you offer solutions, you need to be aware that while they will tend to be simple, none of them will be easy; even if it's the easiest thing in the world for you personally. Solutions for this problem require fundamental lifestyle changes - something that is exceptionally difficult for the weak-willed, where obesity tends to thrive. Empathy and patience is key with this type of situation. Just as it takes years to become obese, it takes years to get out of it and harshness, even with the best of intentions, can be terribly detrimental to the process.
Hopefully you can see how being abrasive and confrontational isn't helping, and try a different approach.
Well I am happy to see you can see things from a more points of view than just your own. Your a good person, and I see a lot of myself in you, unlike other people in this board who want to limit rights and remove people from society. That's just plain bad.Shycte said:
What this very smart person said. I wish I could have worded what I said like this.barium56 said:
I know, it's terrible. I fear that one day we will have another Holocaust even though we know what to look out for. Have you seen the movie The Wave. It's a german movie about how the halocause could easily happend again. I strongly recommend it!Connor Lonske said:
Thanks for you kind words and you understanding. This have been a very interesting debate.
However, I'm off to sleep now. She's past midnight here and Sweden and I really need to catch some sleep.
I'm looking forwards to seeing you again on The Escapist. Have a good night.
I am fairly buff though I do carry a bit of fat and I don't do weight lifting except rarely only aerobic exercise. This though has not stopped me from not losing weight even with a healthy diet and lots of exercise. I'm still in the high end of clothing sizes due to the width of my shoulders and my huge hips. This even causes problems because most clothing manufactuers assume that if you have huge hips you must be really super fat and im not. unless my pants have an elastic waist I'm stuck with pants that either fall down or look weird because of how much of the waist is pulled in. So media and clothes are to blame too as well as the lazy doctors as far as I'm concerned.ShotgunShaman said:
Thank you for missing my point with spectacular ability. Let me take up a few things.Idhenz said:
"but on the other hand you have to stop eating fuckinig cheetos and drinking pepsi while you sit above your fried chicken meal every day telling people not to judge you.."
As egotistic as it seems to quote myself back at you I have encountered this point before:
"There are healthy foods out there that you can grow out of the fucking dirt that surround your house and if you make a diet of celery and water for two months you'll notice some significant changes... "Labyrinth said:
Of course you will. You'll be starving yourself, regardless of how fat or thin you are. It may come as a shock but that kind of crash diet is not only ineffective as hell [http://kateharding.net/2007/05/08/yes-i-like-gina-kolata/] but also unhealthy.
"You gotta tell people that are fat and when I say fat I mean those people who are nearly as wide as they are tall that it's NOT natural, that eating McDonalds once a week CAN be OK for some people but not for you. Stop making yourself home-made french fries cuz you think those are healthier than the stores, stop pouring ketchup on your hot dog and STOP EATING HOT DOGS. Fat people are fat because somewhere someone told them taht either it was OK or that what they're eating isn't the result of their weight.. Yes some people have genes that make them bigger but you gotta make the difference between FAT and BIG. Fat is fat, big is big. A big person will resultingly fatten easier than someone else but a big person who gets no activity should drop the fucking cheetos and get on a treadmill, simple as hell. "
There's an underlying presumption here which you need to reconsider. This [http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion_columnists/article/0,2777,DRMN_23972_5537069,00.html] is something I recommend you read. Believe me when I say that I don't think people who eat nothing but MacDonalds every day are healthy. However, don't presume that just because someone's fat they do.
I honestly have no sympathy for obese people, unless it's hereditary or a health disorder. They should have the determination to lose the weight by themselves. If your not willing to help yourself, then it says that you don't care about your health, meaning any attempts to help you made from other people would be a waste of their time.
This is how you solve obesity. Go to every power plant in the country, and replace whatever fuels the main generator with gigantic hamster wheels. If you're obese, running on the hamster wheel to power the country replaces whatever job you currently have until you are no longer obese.
There, I just solved obesity and the energy crisis... We have an energy crisis right? It's hard to keep track of all the crises we have nowadays...
There, I just solved obesity and the energy crisis... We have an energy crisis right? It's hard to keep track of all the crises we have nowadays...
Well, since only stupid ideas are getting listened to why not just make every person who says: fat people need to just stop eating, just exercise more, put them on treadmills or kill them; eat until they are the size of the majority. As in make everyone a size 16 to 20 or larger.