any major franchises you never got into?

[temporalcrux]

FFVII has, hands-down, the worst battle system of any console game, ever.

I know you're trying to make the extreme statement on purpose, but it just makes you seems stupid. Go play "McFarlane's Evil Prophecy", or more in line with RPGs, "Magna Carta: Crimson Stigmata". Or probably THE actual worst, "Unlimited saga". You'll soon find that these are far, far worse battle systems.

I forgive ya, tootsie-pop. Just be happy you didn't have to endure the horrible games I mentioned. I was a volunteer game reviewer for my club back in high school and later in college. I made it through maybe 9 hours of Magna Carta, about 2 hours of Evil Prophecy, and 10 minutes of Unlimited Saga.
Perhaps I should have said "...console game I've played...." ^^;

 

[theguitarhero6]

Never played the Metal Gear games or the Zelda games.
So many inside jokes I've missed from those games...

 

[EBonhawk09]

I haven't played much of Final Fantasy (though I'd like to try more), Zelda, Metroid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, or most major series on Playstation or Nintendo (except Mario). I've lost interest in CoD ever since MW2. And I suck at RTS games, though I'd like to get into them more. And I haven't played the Deus Ex series, but I plan on doing so now that I've discovered Human Revolution. Also, I've never played any MMO of any kind.

 

[sylekage]

Final Fantasy, Metal gear, Mass effect, WoW, Mario, Sonic. I like some franchises, but, just like music, I love games that have never been heard of, or people think "suck". I am a huge halo and CoD nut...I know I know...

 

[thefleeger]

Never got into the zombie game genre like Left 4 Dead, or Resident Evil. The only zombie games I enjoyed were Deadrising 1&2...but honestly if the zombie apocalypse were to come, I think the developers got it right.
On another note, I haven't gotten into Zelda, God of War (mainly because I don't much like quick-timing where there could be a shorter and cleaner cut scene to fill me with awe), StarCraft, StarFox, and Star Wars games.

 

[Amethyst Wind]

No, I'm not into JRPGs. One thing you are forgetting is that genres have similar themes. I love Jazz music because I love the musical structure of it. I don't have to listen to every piece of jazz music to know I enjoy it.

Same thing with JRPGs. Of course they differ. Kingdom Hearts is very different to Final Fantasy - but I dislike both heavily. Why should I be forced to sit through every JRPG on the planet to come to the conclusion that I just don't enjoy them.

Ah but that's what I'm trying to say about examples against generalisation. Like with Jazz, you can deconstruct any JRPGs you've played to find parts of the games you didn't like. If they're common between all JRPGs you've played (I believe you've mentioned that they annoy or bore you, leading me to think the story/dialogue/pacing might not be to your tastes) then you can look at other non-played examples that have been grouped as 'JRPGs' and make an educated guess that you'll most likely not enjoy those examples if you played them. You don't need to play them to make that claim, but to say with absolute certainty that you don't like a game you must obtain empirical evidence of playing it.

And yet I have a funny feeling that if I said "I am into JRPGs" you wouldn't of said a thing.

I can't say that's impossible because I've not been in the situation, however I have the sneaking suspicion you may be right.

I love the fact that you have divided functionality and logic here. The are, or rather should, be near synonyms. No one on Earth follows your mental "logic" here. Admit it!

Actually I'm just following the logical progressions that I've been taught (probably, memory isn't perfect and it's been roughly 4 years since I was taught it). My logical reasonings stem from my study of Philosophy at University, this whole 'must be logically valid' schtick was pretty much the hallmark of the Anglo-American school of Philosophy, which was obsessed with creating a one-size-fits-all rules system for philosophical thought. To them, logic was everything.

I subscribe more to the continental European school of philosophy, which is far more interested in looking at specific examples for their stand-alone merits rather than running them through some logical deconstruction test. It's somewhat ironic in a way that the Anglo-American school of philosophy is based off ancient Greek thinkers, who would be on continental Europe. Well, more recent continental philosophy has come from countries like France, Germany and Switzerland.

The reason I didn't pick up on other people talking in general terms about genres is because I'm already addressing the concept in my discussion with you. Repetition will come later if needed.

I'm sorry, but, I don't believe you. I want to, but I just don't haha. I think the only reason you initiated this argument is because you like JRPGs and you want to defend them. Your post count would be in the millions if you really thought this way, because every time someone says they like or dislike a genre you'd have to call them out.

Haha indeed. I like some JRPGs, haven't played any of the Dragonquests, Tales Ofs or Shin Megami Tenseis, couldn't give an opinion on them. I can give you an opinion of every JRPG I have played on its own merits, even those in the same series would be dealt with separately (I've played like 10 Final Fantasys and some unique projects).

As for my post count, I'm pretty much a 'targets of opportunity' poster, were I to actively seek out every post I could argue against then I'd have a much larger post count, but I'm too lazy. Occasionally, like with our exchange here, I'll press the issue, but only if I feel like it, I'm not exactly what you call consistent (*shrugs*), but Devil's Advocate is fun to engage in sometimes.

Of course you can dismiss or praise something, provided you've experienced it. You can't dismiss an entire perceived group simply through specific examples you've experienced, you can only dismiss the examples.

All this "next time, make sure you..." stuff leads me to believe that you're angry about our exchange here. I hope this isn't the case. This is simply Devil's Advocate for me (possibly some Socratic reasoning thrown in too, though I'm not sure if that's right, I'll need to get back to you), there's no ill intention here, I'm simply looking for a frank and engaging discussion. You haven't disappointed.

I'm not angry with you in the slightest. The repetition of "next time..." was to enforce how ludicrous your point is. As I said before, the world doesn't work the way you are arguing here. If every piece of Chinese food I have eaten has disgusted me, then I am allowed to say "I do not like Chinese food". I don't have to delve into a discussion involving abstract logic saying:

"Well, rather, I should clarify that I don't like fried rice, beef noodle soup, honey chicken, honey prawns, Mongolian beef, Kung Pao chicken, Jiaozi or Youtiao. Similarly, I have a strong distaste for Hot and sour soup, Won ton soup, ginger duck, fish cake and spring rolls. However, I have not had dish number 23 and dish number 38 from my local Chinese resturant yet. So, that leads me to believe that perhaps my original - and may I say totally illogical! - thought of not enjoying Chinese food Per se was incorrect. So, excuse me for that. Let me reprhase. I don't like fried rice, beef noodle soup, honey chicken, honey prawns, Mongolian beef, Kung Pao chicken, Jiaozi or Youtiao. Hot and sour soup, Won ton soup, ginger duck, fish cake and spring rolls. There."

That sounds more like a conversation with Rain Man rather than someone who is logical to me!

I would love to see if anyone could actually finish that spoken monologue with a straight face. Also, I have no clue what some of those are.

This was, essentially, why I stressed the difference between fuctionality and logic. Logic is, well, straight-up useless on its own. It is very much a meta-concept. Within language and yet not necessary for everyday communication. In terms of small talk, saying "I don't like Chinese food" would be sufficient as the other people in the conversation would unconsciously make the connection that you had tried some Chinese food in the past and hadn't taken to it. This would happen instantaneously and the conversation would move on unheeded. In a purely logical conversation, "I don't like Chinese food" would have to be followed by a "Why?", and the "Why?"s would keep coming until you have provided sufficient detail to satisfy valid premises and conclusion. It is certainly ludicrous for every day life, but there is method to the madness, it's just an absolute chore in practise. Most why it's banished to philosophy classrooms and mathematical formulas.

P.S. I left the "sonny boy" in the quote box because it made me chuckle.

 

[Fenra]

The total war games seemed to pass me by, I tried a few demos over the years, medival, rome, empire but always found them a little too slow, almost tedious and far too tactical for my tastes... but then my taste in strategy games is the C&C style, spam units till you have more than the other guy and win. I couldnt handle all the thoughts of terain, attack angles, battle strategies, pincer movements etc etc etc. but some people love that, s'what makes us all different.

Being a bit of a Total War fanboy, I must ask, are you referring to just the campaign map or just battles? Or both?

was just battles if memory serves right, thats all the demos tend to contain, was certainly that way with the empire demo which was the most recent one I tried

 

[Hader]

The total war games seemed to pass me by, I tried a few demos over the years, medival, rome, empire but always found them a little too slow, almost tedious and far too tactical for my tastes... but then my taste in strategy games is the C&C style, spam units till you have more than the other guy and win. I couldnt handle all the thoughts of terain, attack angles, battle strategies, pincer movements etc etc etc. but some people love that, s'what makes us all different.

Being a bit of a Total War fanboy, I must ask, are you referring to just the campaign map or just battles? Or both?

was just battles if memory serves right, thats all the demos tend to contain, was certainly that way with the empire demo which was the most recent one I tried

I think Rome had the best battles of any of them, though I understand how some people don't like the system. I am just into that kind of strategy is all.

Empire however...I do not like to acknowledge its existence.

 

[keideki]

Never really got into Disgaea, or any tactics games really. Also I could never get into Half-Life, I loved Portal thought.

 

[Wintermoot]

Final Fantasy with the exception of TA,TA2 and the remake of 1 I never realy played them or beat any of them also I never realy got into mario (I dont have any nintendo consoles)

 

[strigon33]

Gears o' War. Just wasn't interested.

 

[Nexoram]

Im gonna get heat for this but i also didn't get into Mass Effect. Played a few bits and i just quit. Just wonderin' if the 2nd or 3rd would be better.

 

[DanielBrown]

I used to be a big time FPS-player. I really loved the genre... however, I've never bothered to even look up COD, Battlefield or Halo. I don't know why not, but I dislike the games without knowing anything about them. It's probably because of the fan base and that I don't feel like being told what I'm doing wrong by 14 year old kids all the time.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Half Life. Didn't play the first, didn't find the second that spectacular. After that I didn't even bother with the episodes.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Never liked Final Fantasy, Legend of Zelda, Metal Gear Solid, Kingdom Hearts, Starcraft, World of Warcraft, Resident Evil, Mario, Sonic, Dragon Age and.....Yeah, that about covers it.

 

[AvsJoe]

Want a list? I'll give you the first twenty that come to mind:

Tekken
Street Fighter
Gran Tourismo
Kirby
Donkey Kong
Uncharted
FIFA
Def Jam
Warcraft
Starcraft
Command and Conquer
Mass Effect
.Hack
Dark Cloud
Rainbow Six
Medal of Honor
Call of Duty
Thief
Half-Life
Saint's Row
Battlefield: Bad Company

 

[little.09]

halo

 

[Erja_Perttu]

Final Fantasy. I'm not into JRPG's though.

I'm hoping you've at least tried the games themselves rather than just dismissing them as another in a genre you haven't had much luck with in the past.

My friend was playing Final Fantasy XIII and it looked like junk. I played it for about an hour and I didn't like the art style, the game play, the story or the world. I've never played a JRPG I even moderately enjoyed.

I think it's hard to find a good one. Hell, I like JRPGs and I think most of them suck! It's generally accepted that FFXIII was rubbish. Shame you started there really.

I've never really been into COD or Halo, mainly as I suck at aiming.

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