That was your avatar! Oh man, I'd tried forever to figure out what that red and white thing was.Darth Mobius said:My Favorite American Fighter:(THIS![]()
The Kind Cannibal said:The A-10 Warthog
Khell_Sennet said:I'm sorry all of you that didn't vote Warthog, but the A-10 is simply put, the best piece of hardware in the sky. Why? Because the Hog is a unique craft filling a role that they've always needed but never addressed. You've got jets for long-range, medium range, and short range anti-air, dogfighters, interceptors, and air superiority fighters. You have bombers big and small, dropping anything from 500lb gravity bombs to air-borne launch nuclear warheads and MOABs, but traditional jet bombers are not efficient means to harass ground forces.
Enter the A-10. Capable of a controlled flight at speeds so slow that any other jet would fall out of the sky, and at such low altitudes that it would be comparable to helicopters, the Thunderbolt II (Aka Warthog) can circle the field like a vulture, picking off targets as it goes. Yes, jump jets like the harrier or JSF can also perform this role, but VTOL maneuvers are very fuel consuming, and for the same jet fuel that would allow the harrier to hover-engage one target, a warthog can fly for an hour. Add to that the Hog's greater payload; a hair under 3,000lbs more than the AV-8B when it comes to hardpoint munitions and almost 4x as many rounds for the cannon.
But jump jets aren't the only craft losing work to the Warthog, the AH-64 Apache is also being out-done by the A-10. While the Warthog will never fully replace helicopter gunships, pitting the US's top copter against the hog, the AH-64 has half the operational range and only 1/3rd the speed that the A-10 possesses, and like the AV-8B, carries less payload (9600lbs compared to 19400lbs) and of a less various nature, mostly limited to hellfire missiles and rockets.
Finally, the A-10 is one tough son of a *****. Every possible component onboard was designed to be left/right compatible. You can literally take an entire wing and flip it to the other side with minimal adjustment, the engines are the same on either side, making maintenance costs, repair times, and required parts inventories drastically less than any other military jet. The A-10 can take a severe beating in the air, and its low flight speed makes crash landings a survivable affair.
It kicks the shit out of jets, tanks, infantry, and helicopters. It can take far more punishment than any other jet aircraft, and at the end of the day, they can strip off damaged parts and replace them in less time than it would take to ready another jet for flight. And that's not exaggerating. Give the damn thing a 10-disc MP3/CD player and a cup holder in the cockpit, and you'd have to worship it as a god.[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY!
Or the SR-71.
However, when you can fly deep into enemy territory without anyone knowing you're there and deliver those two missiles with godly accuracy, and you can keep sending those aircraft over and over and no one can do anything about it, it counts for something.Khell_Sennet said:Yes, very effective at long and medium range interception, 50/50 crapshoot at close-in dogfighting. They can turn, bank, and roll more sharply than other jets, but at a much slower speed. Really, it comes down to "Can the jet pilot get a solid lock before it's whipped passed the A-10?" because the hog can slow down to speeds that cause the enemy to pass them. With their larger stores of countermeasures than the average interceptor, the A-10 is actually able to hold its own, and has been used in air-to-air roles many times.Tread184 said:I forgot to ask, can the A-10 engaged other aircraft (helicopters, fighter, bombers)? If so, how effective are they/would they be?
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Bah!, the Nighthawk only carries two missiles. Most often, a modified custom load of the Paveway. For its cost, two shots ain't shit.zirnitra said:favourite yankee aircraft would have to be the F-117 Nighthawk it just looks so otherworldly
We actually retired the 117 years ago(well actually the 22nd of may or april this year.) they have been phasing out for quite a while.captain awesome 12 said:However, when you can fly deep into enemy territory without anyone knowing you're there and deliver those two missiles with godly accuracy, and you can keep sending those aircraft over and over and no one can do anything about it, it counts for something.Khell_Sennet said:Yes, very effective at long and medium range interception, 50/50 crapshoot at close-in dogfighting. They can turn, bank, and roll more sharply than other jets, but at a much slower speed. Really, it comes down to "Can the jet pilot get a solid lock before it's whipped passed the A-10?" because the hog can slow down to speeds that cause the enemy to pass them. With their larger stores of countermeasures than the average interceptor, the A-10 is actually able to hold its own, and has been used in air-to-air roles many times.Tread184 said:I forgot to ask, can the A-10 engaged other aircraft (helicopters, fighter, bombers)? If so, how effective are they/would they be?
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Bah!, the Nighthawk only carries two missiles. Most often, a modified custom load of the Paveway. For its cost, two shots ain't shit.zirnitra said:favourite yankee aircraft would have to be the F-117 Nighthawk it just looks so otherworldly
I'm not starting a war or anything over the F-117, and you're right, it can be detected, and it doesn't have any anti-air capabilites, but it has served incredibly useful in the past if you look at Desert Storm. The fact is that if you want to track it you'll have to track every bird, bat, and dragonfly in the sky. And the point is that it destroys the radar array stations, that's the first target so it can't be detected or followed after it has dropped it's weapons, and there wouldn't be any time to react, the bomb would be there in seconds. With ultra-modern radar it can be tracked, but the people the U.S, are fighting and have fought don't have that capability. You're also right on with the F-22, and also the F-35. With those in deployment, and in the F-35's case soon to be deployed, the Nighthawk's usefulness is dying. But that wasn't my point, I was just saying how useful it has been, and any aircraft historian would agree. Also remember that the Nighthawk was developed for a specific role, and comparing it to modern multi-role platforms wouldn't be fair.Khell_Sennet said:First, the "Stealth" jets aren't nearly as undetectable as pop culture makes them out to be. Second, you can employ an entire squadron of conventional jets for the price of one stealth craft. Third, the F-117A Nighthawk "Stealth Fighter" is totally mis-named, the "F" designation and the "Fighter" part of its moniker are falsehoods as the Nighthawk has zero anti-air capabilities, and is in fact only usable against ground targets. Fourth, the F-117A lights up on radar like any other jet the minute they open the weapons bay. While the jet can open, fire, and close the port within a manner of seconds, it still gives away the position and the fact a missile is inbound.captain awesome 12 said:However, when you can fly deep into enemy territory without anyone knowing you're there and deliver those two missiles with godly accuracy, and you can keep sending those aircraft over and over and no one can do anything about it, it counts for something.
Most of the F-117A's usefulness is dying, as the F-22 Raptor has begun deployment.
Now you Blue, I assume are voting based on the Phantom's kickass look, and not its awful track record. That damn jet was a flying brick, one of the least popular to be assigned to, well earning its nicknames such as "Iron Pig" or "Lead Sled". Yes, they were effective, but it's a miracle the things could fly, and had abysmal visibility.bluemarsman said:F-4 Phantom.
Yeah, I meant usefulness in the past. In the wake of modern stealth multi role fighters it's obsolete.sneakypenguin said:We actually retired the 117 years ago(well actually the 22nd of may or april this year.) they have been phasing out for quite a while.captain awesome 12 said:However, when you can fly deep into enemy territory without anyone knowing you're there and deliver those two missiles with godly accuracy, and you can keep sending those aircraft over and over and no one can do anything about it, it counts for something.Khell_Sennet said:Yes, very effective at long and medium range interception, 50/50 crapshoot at close-in dogfighting. They can turn, bank, and roll more sharply than other jets, but at a much slower speed. Really, it comes down to "Can the jet pilot get a solid lock before it's whipped passed the A-10?" because the hog can slow down to speeds that cause the enemy to pass them. With their larger stores of countermeasures than the average interceptor, the A-10 is actually able to hold its own, and has been used in air-to-air roles many times.Tread184 said:I forgot to ask, can the A-10 engaged other aircraft (helicopters, fighter, bombers)? If so, how effective are they/would they be?
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Bah!, the Nighthawk only carries two missiles. Most often, a modified custom load of the Paveway. For its cost, two shots ain't shit.zirnitra said:favourite yankee aircraft would have to be the F-117 Nighthawk it just looks so otherworldly