Anyone else happy to pay xboxlive charges?

[VoltySquirrel]

I wasn't happy with it when I was, anyone who is happy giving money to a corporation that promotes monopolies should be shot. I'd hate to live in a world where it is the norm for certain corporations (MICRO$OFT) to but exclusivity rights for games, thereby screwing people who do not have that platform. That's why I game on a computer, you don't get screwed as much.

You do, with PC developers treating legitiment gamers like criminals with all the DRM hoops they have to through just to play a damn game. Lost your disc? Your screwed. Used all your installs? Sorry, go buy another copy.
Now I'm not a PC gamer for this and other reasons, but other people I know are, as well as the SpoonyOne, and it pisses them off to no end.

 

[llamastorm.games]

I wasn't happy with it when I was, anyone who is happy giving money to a corporation that promotes monopolies should be shot. I'd hate to live in a world where it is the norm for certain corporations (MICRO$OFT) to but exclusivity rights for games, thereby screwing people who do not have that platform. That's why I game on a computer, you don't get screwed as much.

Games for windows live?
DRM?
Few releases due to the shift of developers into the console market?
Again Microsoft is a company they have to make money.
Also the view that microsoft shouldnt be allowed to by DLC or Game exclusivity is bullshit, its what sets one console apart from the next.
It'd be like telling Sony off for making their console more powerful or telling The Wii off for not using a generic controller.
Other companies do buy exclusivity, maybe not in the game market, but there are thousands of examples where companies have put up big sums of money to be the only people selling that one product. Similarly it's like a record company not being allowed to sign an act because only they get to sell their music.
Or telling a drug company off because their the only ones allowed to sell certain drugs.
Furthermore chastising a tv channel for being the only ones allowed to show that show.
If they could get away with it every company in the world would be a monopoly.
People/companies buy the exclusivity so you go to them and only them for their product.
At least think before you post nonsense.

 

[llamastorm.games]

I wasn't happy with it when I was, anyone who is happy giving money to a corporation that promotes monopolies should be shot. I'd hate to live in a world where it is the norm for certain corporations (MICRO$OFT) to but exclusivity rights for games, thereby screwing people who do not have that platform. That's why I game on a computer, you don't get screwed as much.

Games for windows live?
DRM?
Few releases due to the shift of developers into the console market?
Again Microsoft is a company they have to make money.
Also the view that microsoft shouldnt be allowed to by DLC or Game exclusivity is bullshit, its what sets one console apart from the next.
It'd be like telling Sony off for making their console more powerful or telling The Wii off for not using a generic controller.
Other companies do buy exclusivity, maybe not in the game market, but there are thousands of examples where companies have put up big sums of money to be the only people selling that one product. Similarly it's like a record company not being allowed to sign an act because only they get to sell their music.
Or telling a drug company off because their the only ones allowed to sell certain drugs.
Furthermore chastising a tv channel for being the only ones allowed to show that show.
If they could get away with it every company in the world would be a monopoly.
People/companies buy the exclusivity so you go to them and only them for their product.
At least think before you post nonsense.

I love Capitalists like you.

I would say realist.
Money makes the world go round, whether we like it or not.
Everyone knows that Microsoft aren't the real bad guys and all our asses belong to Walmart.

 

[VoltySquirrel]

I wasn't happy with it when I was, anyone who is happy giving money to a corporation that promotes monopolies should be shot. I'd hate to live in a world where it is the norm for certain corporations (MICRO$OFT) to but exclusivity rights for games, thereby screwing people who do not have that platform. That's why I game on a computer, you don't get screwed as much.

Games for windows live?
DRM?
Few releases due to the shift of developers into the console market?
Again Microsoft is a company they have to make money.
Also the view that microsoft shouldnt be allowed to by DLC or Game exclusivity is bullshit, its what sets one console apart from the next.
It'd be like telling Sony off for making their console more powerful or telling The Wii off for not using a generic controller.
Other companies do buy exclusivity, maybe not in the game market, but there are thousands of examples where companies have put up big sums of money to be the only people selling that one product. Similarly it's like a record company not being allowed to sign an act because only they get to sell their music.
Or telling a drug company off because their the only ones allowed to sell certain drugs.
Furthermore chastising a tv channel for being the only ones allowed to show that show.
If they could get away with it every company in the world would be a monopoly.
People/companies buy the exclusivity so you go to them and only them for their product.
At least think before you post nonsense.

I love Capitalists like you.

I would say realist.
Money makes the world go round, whether we like it or not.
Everyone knows that Microsoft aren't the real bad guys and all our asses belong to Walmart.

I lol'd at what glef and llama said.

 

[llamastorm.games]

I wasn't happy with it when I was, anyone who is happy giving money to a corporation that promotes monopolies should be shot. I'd hate to live in a world where it is the norm for certain corporations (MICRO$OFT) to but exclusivity rights for games, thereby screwing people who do not have that platform. That's why I game on a computer, you don't get screwed as much.

I lol'd at what glef and llama said.

Why?

 

[Glerken]

Not happy at all, being a PC, PS3, 360, Wii (a little) gamer its a complete rip off, and a rip off that is going to cost developers one less game a year on 360 because i wont have any sodding cash ¬_¬.

Maybe you don't have the cash because of the fact that you have a PC, PS3, 360, and Wii.
Really now, four dollars a month is practically nothing.

 

[lollipopz]

I pay for what I use. They give me a service, I pay for it. I paid fifty bucks US for twelve months and one month free. That's less than five bucks a month. Compared to my electricity, water, internet, phone, health insurance, car insurance... I'm practically stealing. Is it much more expensive other places and I'm just not aware of it or am I secretly rich compared to the rest of the people on this board that around $3.85 US a month is nothing to me at all? You pay more for a happy meal.

Agreed with this.
Seriously, it is really not that big a deal. It really gets on my rag when Sony fanboys ALWAYS use, HURRHURR WELL YOU HAVE TO PAY no shut up you stupid fucks. Yes you have to pay but it's hardly anything, and it's an amazing service, ps3 doesn't come close, and I'm not a microsoft fanboy I love my ps2. I don't really have any problem paying for it, of course it would be great if it was free but I reckon then the quality would drop alot and such <<;

 

[VoltySquirrel]

I wasn't happy with it when I was, anyone who is happy giving money to a corporation that promotes monopolies should be shot. I'd hate to live in a world where it is the norm for certain corporations (MICRO$OFT) to but exclusivity rights for games, thereby screwing people who do not have that platform. That's why I game on a computer, you don't get screwed as much.

I lol'd at what glef and llama said.

Why?

The Walmart and Capitalist lines were kinda funny.

 

[Lios]

It's kind of annoying to have to pay to play online in any multiplayer game, as well as need to have it to join group sessions (parties), but at least it's cheap.

 

[llamastorm.games]

I wasn't happy with it when I was, anyone who is happy giving money to a corporation that promotes monopolies should be shot. I'd hate to live in a world where it is the norm for certain corporations (MICRO$OFT) to but exclusivity rights for games, thereby screwing people who do not have that platform. That's why I game on a computer, you don't get screwed as much.

I lol'd at what glef and llama said.

Why?

The Walmart and Capitalist lines were kinda funny.

Well its true, everyone knows that due to the current economic downturn terrorists cant afford it anymore and wholesale terrorism is now solely left to Walmart.

 

[jboking]

I wasn't happy with it when I was, anyone who is happy giving money to a corporation that promotes monopolies should be shot. I'd hate to live in a world where it is the norm for certain corporations (MICRO$OFT) to but exclusivity rights for games, thereby screwing people who do not have that platform. That's why I game on a computer, you don't get screwed as much.

Games for windows live?
DRM?
Few releases due to the shift of developers into the console market?
Again Microsoft is a company they have to make money.
Also the view that microsoft shouldnt be allowed to by DLC or Game exclusivity is bullshit, its what sets one console apart from the next.
It'd be like telling Sony off for making their console more powerful or telling The Wii off for not using a generic controller.
Other companies do buy exclusivity, maybe not in the game market, but there are thousands of examples where companies have put up big sums of money to be the only people selling that one product. Similarly it's like a record company not being allowed to sign an act because only they get to sell their music.
Or telling a drug company off because their the only ones allowed to sell certain drugs.
Furthermore chastising a tv channel for being the only ones allowed to show that show.
If they could get away with it every company in the world would be a monopoly.
People/companies buy the exclusivity so you go to them and only them for their product.
At least think before you post nonsense.

This is the second time you have used that phrase. So here is my question, are Sony and Nintendo making money? They don't need to make money on these seemingly random occurrences they are just being greedy.

Or telling a drug company off because their the only ones allowed to sell certain drugs.

"So...I can't afford my medicine because this drug company is the only one who sells it, so they jacked the prices way up. I shouldn't complain though...I'll just curl up in the corner and die."

 

[llamastorm.games]

I wasn't happy with it when I was, anyone who is happy giving money to a corporation that promotes monopolies should be shot. I'd hate to live in a world where it is the norm for certain corporations (MICRO$OFT) to but exclusivity rights for games, thereby screwing people who do not have that platform. That's why I game on a computer, you don't get screwed as much.

Games for windows live?
DRM?
Few releases due to the shift of developers into the console market?
Again Microsoft is a company they have to make money.
Also the view that microsoft shouldnt be allowed to by DLC or Game exclusivity is bullshit, its what sets one console apart from the next.
It'd be like telling Sony off for making their console more powerful or telling The Wii off for not using a generic controller.
Other companies do buy exclusivity, maybe not in the game market, but there are thousands of examples where companies have put up big sums of money to be the only people selling that one product. Similarly it's like a record company not being allowed to sign an act because only they get to sell their music.
Or telling a drug company off because their the only ones allowed to sell certain drugs.
Furthermore chastising a tv channel for being the only ones allowed to show that show.
If they could get away with it every company in the world would be a monopoly.
People/companies buy the exclusivity so you go to them and only them for their product.
At least think before you post nonsense.

This is the second time you have used that phrase. So here is my question, are Sony and Nintendo making money? They don't need to make money on these seemingly random occurrences they are just being greedy.

Or telling a drug company off because their the only ones allowed to sell certain drugs.

"So...I can't afford my medicine because this drug company is the only one who sells it, so they jacked the prices way up. I shouldn't complain though...I'll just curl up in the corner and die."

PSN and Nintendo are making money in their online services, but less so and thats noticeable in the service recieved. PSN still gets the monthly monies that Live gets just they charge the game dev studio. I use the quote because its true, companies are profit maximisers.

Okay you're right there the drug companies do inflate the prices, but i live in the UK where all pescribed drugs are $10/£7 for everyone even if they cost $200 to the NHS or whatever.
You know it takes 12 years and nearly $750million to bring one drug from conception to market, if you were forking that out you'd want some return. If you cant afford it blame your government. I'm going to assume you live in the US, they have the worst healthcare system in the western civilised world whilst Norway, Canada, France and the UK have the best and its state provided.

 

[McClaud]

Imagine if you had to pay for PSN.

You won't have to imagine for much longer. Sony said way back when that eventually, there would be a subscription price for it, just that they'd keep it off as long as advertising dollars kept PSN in the black.

Well, as of January, PSN is now operating in the red. We've been asked to roll out a demo of our code for charging credit cards for subscriptions to PSN (I work for First Data and Visa). Not sure when it's going to happen, but I'm pretty sure at this point that it is going to happen sooner than later.

 

[Axeli]

How did they justify the fee on XBL again? They make money from the online store and server costs are bull, most games being p2p.

 

[MartinPeiM16]

its a rip off, ur already paying for the internet, why should you pay more to use ir to play games with friends????

imagine if steam started making you pay to play css online or any orher games??!!!
would you be ok with that too??

 

[jboking]

PSN and Nintendo are making money in their online services, but less so and thats noticeable in the service recieved. PSN still gets the monthly monies that Live gets just they charge the game dev studio. I use the quote because its true, companies are profit maximisers.

I'm not asking if their online services are making money. I'm asking if the companies are making enough money to be well off. It's almost common fact that nintendo is and they charge for almost nothing. So tell me, why was it necessary to insight random charges. Because they need the money so they can maximize their profit? Turns out your internet service provider is now charging you each time you open up a page. Why? To maximize their profit. AKA, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Okay you're right there the drug companies do inflate the prices,

Sorry to tell you, but it's not just drug companies that do this and it isn't only in the healthcare industry that it occurs. It's called monopoly power and it can happen in any industry, like the railroad industry of old(in the US). However, I seem to remember this one company in the ninety's that got split up by our government for unethical monopoly-esk policies. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft]

I'm going to assume you live in the US, they have the worst healthcare system in the western civilized world whilst Norway, Canada, France and the UK have the best and its state provided.

I'm not a crazy proud American, but I do have a thing about lies based on complete misconseption and the ruling of international communities that judge healthcare quality on how socialized it is. Also, concerning the US was one of the leading medical R&D companies as of 2008, I'm going to say our medical industry is doing pretty damn well and that other nations would be just a little screwed if the US stopped its practices.

but i live in the UK where all pescribed drugs are $10/£7 for everyone even if they cost $200 to the NHS or whatever.
You know it takes 12 years and nearly $750million to bring one drug from conception to market, if you were forking that out you'd want some return. If you cant afford it blame your government.

It's called insuring you have a quality product that you can sell for a non-inflated price and still make a profit. If you have to inflate your prices or use unreasonable business practices in order to make a profit than you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[jboking]

Imagine if you had to pay for PSN.

You won't have to imagine for much longer. Sony said way back when that eventually, there would be a subscription price for it, just that they'd keep it off as long as advertising dollars kept PSN in the black.

Well, as of January, PSN is now operating in the red. We've been asked to roll out a demo of our code for charging credit cards for subscriptions to PSN (I work for First Data and Visa). Not sure when it's going to happen, but I'm pretty sure at this point that it is going to happen sooner than later.

Evidence?

 

[randomsix]

Imagine if you had to pay for PSN.

You won't have to imagine for much longer. Sony said way back when that eventually, there would be a subscription price for it, just that they'd keep it off as long as advertising dollars kept PSN in the black.

Well, as of January, PSN is now operating in the red. We've been asked to roll out a demo of our code for charging credit cards for subscriptions to PSN (I work for First Data and Visa). Not sure when it's going to happen, but I'm pretty sure at this point that it is going to happen sooner than later.

Evidence?

He works for one of the companies involved a deal which I assume from context has not been finalized. I doubt he can give you evidence without breaking some contract or another.

 

[phar]

If I was in America I wouldnt mind paying for it. Anywhere else in the world its a ripoff.. We get charged the same for half the features and laggy connections as they refuse to roll out local servers.

Gogo PSN or PC gaming

 

[Gamer137]

The problem is not that the 360 has a more reliable service then PS3 or Wii. My problem is that PC gaming has been offering free, quality online service for years. The fact that Microsoft wants us to pay for something that smaller companies can provide for free is sickening. Plus they charge for DLC that PC users get for free, and the new dashboard is all ads except the MyXbox row. They are simply taking advantage of a console online monopoly.