Anyone else sort of sick of it? (PC and Consoles Topic)

[Danceofmasks]

Saying Crysis 2 was "dumbed down" for console doesn't mean the game was lost any depth in it's story or anything like that (TBH I don't think it ever had much depth).
It's just the fact that in order to be manageable on console hardware (and many Pcs more that matter). They lessened the system requirements.

That's not what TotalBiscuit said about the graphics.
In fact, he was quite impressed by the graphics ...

Where he was bitching (and yes, he was bitching):
There are only 3 graphics options, they have arcane names, and you don't get to mess with the details (such as ambient occlusion, etc).
Now, not being able to alter the details shouldn't actually concern a rig like his (he ran it at 200 fps on the hardcore setting), and frankly I expect that kind of thing to be available on launch .. but even if it's not, I expect some documentation somewhere about what each setting means (even greyed out options ingame?).

So his complaint there was about the user interface. NOT the engine.
(Well, he probably has a point with the lack of a DX11 option, but whatever)
On a menu that doesn't make any difference.

I suspect, went he started recording, he already had some preconceived notions that were reinforced by what he saw.

From what I saw, he was totally justified at being offended by the "aim assistance" option.
The graphics .. not so much.

 

[CaptQuakers]

The only thing I hate about PC gaming Is this.

Say you have used a console all your life and then you get a good PC that can play games. It's so hard to switch from a pad to a load of hot keys IMHO.Wow Is a good example for of this. Most people who play WOW are pure PC gamers they know where every key is (I have been a PC gamer for about 2 months) I do not. So Im having to mouse over things and It's about twice as slow In a lot of games that means Im dead before I have done anything. I don't think you would have this problem going from a console to a pc.

Also Pc demo's seem to be alot rarer. And If it isn't on Steam some of the older games are near impossible to find.*

Also why does It have to one or the other why can't people just accept both are the dogs and get on with It ?

*On that note anyone got any ideas where I can pick Age of empires: Age of Kings for the PC OR a very similar game ?

 

[Carnage95]

There will always be console and PC fanboys around. There's no changing that.

Both the console and PC have their advantages and disadvantages, however, I prefer the PC because of its advantages and I take the disadvantages as challenges, which I find most of them very enjoyable to solve/or fix.

Honestly, I hardly see any PC gamers ever starting threads about how consoles are terrible and yada yada yada. Sure, there might be one or two of these sort of threads made by PC gamers. But I find that a majority of these threads are always started by console gamers who don't know what they're exactly talking about.

So to solve all this, it's best to ignore such threads.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I don't understand why there has to be any such divides between gamers. Shouldn't we all be united in our grand hobby? United against the likes of Jack Thompson, that anti-video game legislation in California, and all other such bullshit? PC vs Console, Hardcore vs Casual, who cares? The love of the game should unite us, the finicky details shouldn't divide us.

 

[Jandau]

I mean seriously? I am sick of people saying "They can't comprehend a person playing such and such genre on Consoles.?

Frankly it?s getting repetitive and annoying, since it comes up very often. Even though it?s not hard to comprehend at all. Now, while on most sites, its 360 vs. PS3, I noticed on Escapist it?s mainly, PC vs. Consoles in general.

While every side on their bad sides, I notice it?s lately PC gamers who are the ones who are aggressors. Trying a lot of the time to make them out to be superior beings and overall more intelligent than their Console brethren. When a sequel comes out, almost 90% of the time they will say its ?Dumbed Down for Console Gamers? like if their all stupid or something. Or it means the controller, which in some cases is just wrong since the controls of the first game worked with controller; it was developer?s choice to change things.

Now don?t get me wrong, I play PC Games all the time (even making my own Fallout: New Vegas Quest in GECK) and this isn?t all PC Gamers, just the vocal minority (or here sort of the Vocal Majority.)

But is anyone else sick of it?

I notice that the "other team" always seems more vocal. To me, the console fanboys seem far more vocal in their PC bashing than PC gamers. To you, the PC elitists seem more vocal. What I AM sick of is threads about PC vs Consoles and threads complaining about the aforementioned threads.

As for the "dumbing down", some people like that term waaaay too much and will label anything they can with it, even if the change is for the better. Also, dumbing down, when it happens (and it does happen), has less to do with consoles and more the the growing mass market appeal of video games. Even if all games were PC games, they'd still get dumbed down as the market grows.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I don't understand why there has to be any such divides between gamers. Shouldn't we all be united in our grand hobby? United against the likes of Jack Thompson, that anti-video game legislation in California, and all other such bullshit? PC vs Console, Hardcore vs Casual, who cares? The love of the game should unite us, the finicky details shouldn't divide us.

If you're not offended by wasted potential, you don't love it (or her, etc) enough.

 

[TheNewDemoman]

Hmmmmmmm

I think that PC gamers should learn to just shut up about how consoles are "for the n00bs" and just enjoy SC 2, HoN, HL and just deal with it.


Same for consoles.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I don't understand why there has to be any such divides between gamers. Shouldn't we all be united in our grand hobby? United against the likes of Jack Thompson, that anti-video game legislation in California, and all other such bullshit? PC vs Console, Hardcore vs Casual, who cares? The love of the game should unite us, the finicky details shouldn't divide us.

If you're not offended by wasted potential, you don't love it (or her, etc) enough.

What wasted potential?
In any event, for as long as I've been gaming, I've had the luxury of at least sampling at most of the platforms available, with a few exceptions (never tried the Neo Geo, the N-Gage, the Saturn or that Panasonic thing, nor have I had the chance to try the PS3 yet) and you know what? I've never found that any one is better than any other... EVER. Even back to the NES/Master System days. 'Course I was very young then.
And besides that, whose the real enemy? The guy who likes to game on a different platform than you or likes to play a different kind of game than you, or the the guy who wants to restrict your ability to play games altogether? Answer me that?

 

[-Samurai-]

Controller aiming is less accurate than a mouse

This is one argument that makes absolutely no sense. Wether mouse or controller, if you hit what you're aiming at, it's accurate.

Using a mouse gives no benefit over a controller when it comes to aiming. In both cases, you either hit what you shoot at, or you miss. Accuracy isn't in the device, it's in the player.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I don't understand why there has to be any such divides between gamers. Shouldn't we all be united in our grand hobby? United against the likes of Jack Thompson, that anti-video game legislation in California, and all other such bullshit? PC vs Console, Hardcore vs Casual, who cares? The love of the game should unite us, the finicky details shouldn't divide us.

If you're not offended by wasted potential, you don't love it (or her, etc) enough.

What wasted potential?
In any event, for as long as I've been gaming, I've had the luxury of at least sampling at most of the platforms available, with a few exceptions (never tried the Neo Geo, the N-Gage, the Saturn or that Panasonic thing, nor have I had the chance to try the PS3 yet) and you know what? I've never found that any one is better than any other... EVER. Even back to the NES/Master System days. 'Course I was very young then.
And besides that, whose the real enemy? The guy who likes to game on a different platform than you or likes to play a different kind of game than you, or the the guy who wants to restrict your ability to play games altogether? Answer me that?

The DEVELOPER that thought it's a good idea to continue promoting an extremely dated console at the same time as promoting their state of the art OS.
The same developer that thought it's a good idea to design and ship Kinect on USB 2.0 ... which, having 1/10 of the bandwidth of USB 3.0, can't do the concept of "3D camera" justice.
This developer that made Gears of War 3 WORK as a truly multi-platform game, saw mediocre PC gamers PWNFACE THE BEST console gamers, and decided that rather than IMPROVE the controller, they should continue with the segregation.

One idiot in one state of one country trying to write a moronic law is a problem for that state's citizens.

Microsoft is everybody's problem.
(I'm only using them as an example, they're not any worse than anyone else)

 

[Legion]

Controller aiming is less accurate than a mouse

This is one argument that makes absolutely no sense. Wether mouse or controller, if you hit what you're aiming at, it's accurate.

Using a mouse gives no benefit over a controller when it comes to aiming. In both cases, you either hit what you shoot at, or you miss. Accuracy isn't in the device, it's in the player.

I think he means precise, but I till agree with you, all it matters is whether or not you can hit what you are aiming at.

 

[ntw3001]

As for the "dumbing down", some people like that term waaaay too much and will label anything they can with it, even if the change is for the better.

Exactly. One of my pet peeves about these forums is how desperate so many people are to make it very clear that everyone is stupid except them. It's dreadfully tiresome.

But generally on topic, I do find the cost argument against PCs perplexing. The games cost less, and to compare the machines themselves is pretty fruitless given the way console prices fall. They cost more than a decent PC on launch, but by this point they cost less. Also, we factor in the cost of things like monitors for a PC, but not that of a TV for a console. I guess we assume people already have TVs, but not computers?

Controller aiming is less accurate than a mouse

This is one argument that makes absolutely no sense. Wether mouse or controller, if you hit what you're aiming at, it's accurate.

Using a mouse gives no benefit over a controller when it comes to aiming. In both cases, you either hit what you shoot at, or you miss. Accuracy isn't in the device, it's in the player.

'Accuracy' is a pretty poor explanation for the actual problem with controllers. They don't provide as much control over one's aim or movement. With joysticks there's a necessary upper limit to the speed with which one can turn and aim, whereas with a mouse there isn't. One of the most frustrating things about console shooters is knowing an opponent is there but being too sluggish to turn and face them before being killed. Circle-strafing is a lot less effective on PC.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I don't understand why there has to be any such divides between gamers. Shouldn't we all be united in our grand hobby? United against the likes of Jack Thompson, that anti-video game legislation in California, and all other such bullshit? PC vs Console, Hardcore vs Casual, who cares? The love of the game should unite us, the finicky details shouldn't divide us.

If you're not offended by wasted potential, you don't love it (or her, etc) enough.

What wasted potential?
In any event, for as long as I've been gaming, I've had the luxury of at least sampling at most of the platforms available, with a few exceptions (never tried the Neo Geo, the N-Gage, the Saturn or that Panasonic thing, nor have I had the chance to try the PS3 yet) and you know what? I've never found that any one is better than any other... EVER. Even back to the NES/Master System days. 'Course I was very young then.
And besides that, whose the real enemy? The guy who likes to game on a different platform than you or likes to play a different kind of game than you, or the the guy who wants to restrict your ability to play games altogether? Answer me that?

The DEVELOPER that thought it's a good idea to continue promoting an extremely dated console at the same time as promoting their state of the art OS.
The same developer that thought it's a good idea to design and ship Kinect on USB 2.0 ... which, having 1/10 of the bandwidth of USB 3.0, can't do the concept of "3D camera" justice.
This developer that made Gears of War 3 WORK as a truly multi-platform game, saw mediocre PC gamers PWNFACE THE BEST console gamers, and decided that rather than IMPROVE the controller, they should continue with the segregation.

One idiot in one state of one country trying to write a moronic law is a problem for that state's citizens.

Microsoft is everybody's problem.
(I'm only using them as an example, they're not any worse than anyone else)

If we adopt the attitude of "not my problem" than we are truly lost. Hell, I'm 29 years old, any anti-gaming laws wouldn't really effect me short of banning them all together, nor are any being proposed where I live that I know of, but do I shrug my shoulders and say "not my problem?" NO! Why? Because I believe that video games deserve better than that.
And anyway, if you believe that the developer is the problem, shouldn't you be focusing your attention on them instead of lashing out at your fellow gamers?

 

[-Samurai-]

Controller aiming is less accurate than a mouse

This is one argument that makes absolutely no sense. Wether mouse or controller, if you hit what you're aiming at, it's accurate.

Using a mouse gives no benefit over a controller when it comes to aiming. In both cases, you either hit what you shoot at, or you miss. Accuracy isn't in the device, it's in the player.

I think he means precise, but I till agree with you, all it matters is whether or not you can hit what you are aiming at.

Precision is also unaffected by the device.

Precision "is the degree to which repeated measurements under unchanged conditions show the same results." Using a mouse or controller won't change your shot grouping in a video game.

If you and I are playing a shooter, and every shot you fire hits me in the same area of the chest, you're precise(and accurate). It doesn't matter if you're using the mouse or a controller.

The mouse is more accurate/precise/faster/smoother/whatever is just another baseless claim in the whole pc vs console debate. They're both capable of the exact same thing, making them both equal. It's all about personal preference.

 

[imnot]

YOU REALISE THAT THIS ONLY ADDS ONE MORE TO THE EVER GROWING LIST OF THREADS ABOUT IT.
Godsake

AND IF WE DON'T ADRESS IT THEN THE EVER GROWING LIST OF THREADS WITH THESE PROBLEMS WILL GORW!

Did you ever see problems resolved on the internets?
There will always be someone who hates something and lot's of factions to go at eachother simply because they like to fight.

And nothing short of genocide will ever fix that.

Well then, We know what we have to do, round the elitists up, ill get a tank.
[small]You better not think im bieng serious[/small]

 

[The Rockerfly]

The only way to win a console war argument is to not participate. I have learned that the hard way but it's true, every single person who has argued has either used; old/bullshit statistics, stereotypes, not listing all of the costs, ignoring various exclusives either from ignorance or refusal to acknowledge them or saying just plain dumb shit in generally (e.g. shooters on a console are impossible)

Also you are never the only one

 

[Vibhor]

I notice it?s lately PC gamers who are the ones who are aggressors. Trying a lot of the time to make them out to be superior beings and overall more intelligent than their Console brethren.

When you treat a man like a dog, he becomes one. A rabid one.
Or in this case,
When you treat PC gamers like elitists with too much money to spend, they become one.
Seriously, every damn game IS being made for consoles and when they port it they are like "oh you bought it for PC? well too bad because it sucks on that platform, thats exactly what you get for buying a 600$ machine,you whiny elitist!"
And then comes the whining about the piracy, oh the piracy complain.
Can those big time publishers actually think of releasing a quality game with better consumer support than the suck yo' blood DRM?
(BTW still rocking with my GTX 580 and Intel i7 with a PS3 in my hand and Xbox gone for maintenance)

 

[Danceofmasks]

I don't understand why there has to be any such divides between gamers. Shouldn't we all be united in our grand hobby? United against the likes of Jack Thompson, that anti-video game legislation in California, and all other such bullshit? PC vs Console, Hardcore vs Casual, who cares? The love of the game should unite us, the finicky details shouldn't divide us.

If you're not offended by wasted potential, you don't love it (or her, etc) enough.

What wasted potential?
In any event, for as long as I've been gaming, I've had the luxury of at least sampling at most of the platforms available, with a few exceptions (never tried the Neo Geo, the N-Gage, the Saturn or that Panasonic thing, nor have I had the chance to try the PS3 yet) and you know what? I've never found that any one is better than any other... EVER. Even back to the NES/Master System days. 'Course I was very young then.
And besides that, whose the real enemy? The guy who likes to game on a different platform than you or likes to play a different kind of game than you, or the the guy who wants to restrict your ability to play games altogether? Answer me that?

The DEVELOPER that thought it's a good idea to continue promoting an extremely dated console at the same time as promoting their state of the art OS.
The same developer that thought it's a good idea to design and ship Kinect on USB 2.0 ... which, having 1/10 of the bandwidth of USB 3.0, can't do the concept of "3D camera" justice.
This developer that made Gears of War 3 WORK as a truly multi-platform game, saw mediocre PC gamers PWNFACE THE BEST console gamers, and decided that rather than IMPROVE the controller, they should continue with the segregation.

One idiot in one state of one country trying to write a moronic law is a problem for that state's citizens.

Microsoft is everybody's problem.
(I'm only using them as an example, they're not any worse than anyone else)

If we adopt the attitude of "not my problem" than we are truly lost. Hell, I'm 29 years old, any anti-gaming laws wouldn't really effect me short of banning them all together, nor are any being proposed where I live that I know of, but do I shrug my shoulders and say "not my problem?" NO! Why? Because I believe that video games deserve better than that.
And anyway, if you believe that the developer is the problem, shouldn't you be focusing your attention on them instead of lashing out at your fellow gamers?

Right right ... so where were you when there was campaigning against the idiot in MY country, eh?
Michael Atkinson resigned. Mission complete.
I repeat. It's my problem when it's HERE.

Microsoft is a business partner of mine and I certainly tell them everything I don't like about what they do.

As for "lashing out," I do not make these threads, it's usually ignorance that starts them, and I'm just doing the educating.
I mean, if I were "lashing out," I'd address -Samurai- directly with a challenge ... play BLOPS or somesuch with a controller on a PC and see how well you do.