Anyone else think that the way we ask people out is incredibly messed up?

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Vegosiux

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Byzantinium said:
This is the standard dating advice, but the problem is how the fuck do you do that?
No, the problem is "How the fuck do you stop overanalyzing the situation and realize that the worst that can happen is things staying the way they are?"
 

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ImBigBob said:
I've heard dating advice of "find someone you're attracted to, then find out what they like and try to get involved". Isn't that the opposite of how it should be? Shouldn't you first find activities you like and use them to meet people you're more likely to get along with? The approach of "ask out a complete stranger in the hopes that you might be compatible no matter how low the odds are"? Not to mention, "Call Me Maybe" is a popular song that glorifies the stupidity of it. Grr.
yes, i completely agree. and i will never go random woman hunting. if and when i meet a woman it is due to similar hobbies (mostly movies and games nowadays) and only then i will go for compactability check. i dont judge people from thier first talk, but be stupid enough times and it wont end in a friendship.

the whole dating system is wrong. first off who figured that it must be male to start a conversation? why cant a woman do that? infact, why does woman expect that everyone should "go after her" like she was some superior being? i think all the dating procedure should get a massive overhaul. and whats with the lieing. if you want a one-night-stand and the woman wanto ne as well why not just say so, instead of pretending to care and then racing who is first out of bed in the morning.
Vegosiux said:
Byzantinium said:
This is the standard dating advice, but the problem is how the fuck do you do that?
No, the problem is "How the fuck do you stop overanalyzing the situation and realize that the worst that can happen is things staying the way they are?"
worst thing that can happen is you do some tiny mistake in your approach and a girl you have been eyeing for 3 years (literally) and you lost her forever. i should know, been there done that.
 

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Strazdas said:
the whole dating system is wrong. first off who figured that it must be male to start a conversation?
accepted cultural norms stemming from the time where it was th emen who instigated and controlled relationships blah blah blah you know the drill

[quote/]why cant a woman do that? infact, why does woman expect that everyone should "go after her" like she was some superior being?
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because rejections sucks and if we can avoid it why not? XD...seriously though I don;t think women "expect" it per se
 

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Vault101 said:
[quote/]why cant a woman do that? infact, why does woman expect that everyone should "go after her" like she was some superior being?
because rejections sucks and if we can avoid it why not? XD...seriously though I don;t think women "expect" it per se[/quote]
You being a woman evade a lot of it. due to social norsm it seems to even come naturally for some. they do expect it. surely, not 100% of the woman, but the amount is large enough for generalization.
 

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I think it depend on the person.
If the guy and girl is pretty much generic ( dont even ask me what I mean by generic because you know what I mean), then getting to know a person after they meet is ok. Odds are, they have very generic hobbies, beliefs etc so they will get along.
However, if you are like my friend who tends to be "geeky" or whatever, then you should probably meet friends with similar interests.

I personally find that because I have a wide range of interests, no particular politic and religious views, I get along with a lot of people.
That and compared to my friend, i know how to suppress certain interests in front of certain people.

So if you are like my friend, I dont see why you cant just look for people within your own group of shared hobbies and interests.
 

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I've never attempted asking out a complete stranger. I've been successful with women I know and they know what they're saying yes to at the time.
 

Vault101

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Strazdas said:
they do expect it. surely, not 100% of the woman, but the amount is large enough for generalization.
...and you know that...how?
 

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I've only ever gone out with guys I was friends with first (in your face, friendzone crybabies!).
I would probably say no if some stranger approached me for a date.
I like to get to know people first.
 

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I think most people miss the point of dating. They act as if asking a girl out is the same as making her your girlfriend, or blah blah blah reverse genders for our female readers.

Also, where do you all live that all the bars are dark seedy places?
In my town we have a bar for the slimy hookups, a bar for the gay/party boy demographic, one for the indie bands, one for quiet drinks. Come to think of it, my town has a whole bunch of different bars. That might explain why everyone is always so drunk... anyways

I see an attractive girl, so I ask her out. We go out on a first date at which point I get to know her to some degree. Usually by the end of the second date, I can tell if we are compatible. If we aren't, then no third date. Simple as that.
Also, this is all a good argument for casual dating. So feel free to ask a couple girls/guys out, get to know them, then make your choice. Feels more sciency this way.
 

Vegosiux

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hooblabla6262 said:
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Also, this is all a good argument for casual dating. So feel free to ask a couple girls/guys out, get to know them, then make your choice. Feels more sciency this way.
I thought that's called "hanging out".

Seriosuly, why does every activity you (the reader, not you personally, of course) do with someone of your preferred gender that is not related to you (or well, whatever) have to be a date?
 

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Strazdas said:
Vegosiux said:
Byzantinium said:
This is the standard dating advice, but the problem is how the fuck do you do that?
No, the problem is "How the fuck do you stop overanalyzing the situation and realize that the worst that can happen is things staying the way they are?"
worst thing that can happen is you do some tiny mistake in your approach and a girl you have been eyeing for 3 years (literally) and you lost her forever. i should know, been there done that.
That's not actually worse than eyeing a girl for 3 years(literally), saying nothing, then continuing to eye her for another 3 years until she hooks up with someone else. Remaining silent loses every girl forever.

And really, if she's known you for 3 years, she's already made her mind up whether she likes you or not. If she rejects you after a tiny mistake, she would have rejected you even if you had made no mistakes.
 

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Vegosiux said:
hooblabla6262 said:
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Also, this is all a good argument for casual dating. So feel free to ask a couple girls/guys out, get to know them, then make your choice. Feels more sciency this way.
I thought that's called "hanging out".

Seriosuly, why does every activity you (the reader, not you personally, of course) do with someone of your preferred gender that is not related to you (or well, whatever) have to be a date?
I actually had this exact conversation last week about what constitutes a date. After talking to many people about it, I realized that nobody had any clue where to draw the line.

Is it intent, or a specific activity?
I'm friends with a lot of girls who say they are "just hanging out" with some guy, then they end up together.
Most of the guys I know call them dates.
And almost every single time, the two parties are not on the same page when it comes to the labeling.

The way I preceived it was the end result. If you two end up actually being together, they were dates. If not, you call them hang outs.

Personally, I call them all dates cause sex is usually involved. Makes me feel like less of a slut if I'm dating the girl, plus they seem to like it when I say we're dating. Even if it is casually.
 

MetalMagpie

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Er... I've only ever dated people I was already friends with. I've never in my entire life started flirting with a complete stranger. They could turn out to be a total moron!

MetalMagpie's Dating Guide:

Step 1 - Get to know some new people. School, university, work, archery club, etc.

Step 2 - Realise you quite fancy one of those people.

Step 3 - Start flirting.

Step 4 - Are they flirting back? Awesome!
 

Vegosiux

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hooblabla6262 said:
The way I preceived it was the end result. If you two end up actually being together, they were dates. If not, you call them hang outs.

Personally, I call them all dates cause sex is usually involved. Makes me feel like less of a slut if I'm dating the girl, plus they seem to like it when I say we're dating. Even if it is casually.
Ah, post-hoc rationalization with an added dash of pretentiousness. No offense, I don't mean to call you any names, it's...well, I suppose it's human.

It just rubs me the wrong way; nothing personal.
 

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Bad Jim said:
Strazdas said:
Vegosiux said:
Byzantinium said:
This is the standard dating advice, but the problem is how the fuck do you do that?
No, the problem is "How the fuck do you stop overanalyzing the situation and realize that the worst that can happen is things staying the way they are?"
worst thing that can happen is you do some tiny mistake in your approach and a girl you have been eyeing for 3 years (literally) and you lost her forever. i should know, been there done that.
That's not actually worse than eyeing a girl for 3 years(literally), saying nothing, then continuing to eye her for another 3 years until she hooks up with someone else. Remaining silent loses every girl forever.

And really, if she's known you for 3 years, she's already made her mind up whether she likes you or not. If she rejects you after a tiny mistake, she would have rejected you even if you had made no mistakes.
yes, it is worse. hope is a powerful thing.