Apologies for Heimdall
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Fuck that. I found Heimdall to be one of the best parts of Thor. Loved his character, and I loved his presence in every scene he was in. Good casting choice.
Personally, I want to thank the guy who played Heimdall. He was a total badass. He wasn't my favorite part of the movie, but he made it infinitely better. Dude just had a presence.
I pretty much despise every single thing that Marvel decided to violate out of my childhood stories. I have much less issue with the colour of the bright god, than I have with the fact that the Asgardians live in a pristinely clean pipe organ from space. In fact, had the dude been a little less stoic, he would probably have been close to the must accurately descripted Aesir. Not to mention that Einherjar apparently don't fight each other here. Pretty much everything I find enjoyable about the mythology has been flushed out in favor of overtly dramatic slush.
The warriors three, I think they were called, are the only aspect of the comic that I feel invokes a bit of the shenanigans from the mythology.
The warriors three, I think they were called, are the only aspect of the comic that I feel invokes a bit of the shenanigans from the mythology.
Two things occur to me on this issue: 1. As gods, don't they live a long fucking time? Plenty of time to be out in the sun, maybe? I'd be somewhat suprised all the gods didn't have at least a tan if not for my second thought.
2.(may have been said) They're gods, they can look like anything, can't they? I remember Zeus (different mythology, yes, but still) turning human-sized and knocking up peasants all the time, (hence Hercules) japanese tales of gods turning into ugly beggars to test wealthy mortals, am I missing something in thinking Heimdall, and perhaps the rest of the gods, is/are not in his/their true form(s)?
*overthinking immanent*
Maybe they look like some nightmarish Cthulhu beasts, but take more pleasing forms because it's in their power to do so, shaping man accordingly. If you could remake yourself, how long would you choose to look like a leprous goat that was hit by several trains, other than to fuck with people's heads Beetlejuice style, I mean?
OT: Don't worry, I don't think anyone has cared about disrespecting the Norse gods in the last few centuries, at least.
2.(may have been said) They're gods, they can look like anything, can't they? I remember Zeus (different mythology, yes, but still) turning human-sized and knocking up peasants all the time, (hence Hercules) japanese tales of gods turning into ugly beggars to test wealthy mortals, am I missing something in thinking Heimdall, and perhaps the rest of the gods, is/are not in his/their true form(s)?
*overthinking immanent*
Maybe they look like some nightmarish Cthulhu beasts, but take more pleasing forms because it's in their power to do so, shaping man accordingly. If you could remake yourself, how long would you choose to look like a leprous goat that was hit by several trains, other than to fuck with people's heads Beetlejuice style, I mean?
OT: Don't worry, I don't think anyone has cared about disrespecting the Norse gods in the last few centuries, at least.
I don't like that the complaining is over a black guy playing a Norse god. It's not a movie about Norse gods, it's a movie about the Marvel property that borrows from Norse mythology. I'm slightly bothered that they have a guy playing a comicbook character he looks nothing like, but I'm also not bothered enough to assume he can't do a good job on the acting part. I haven't seen the movie yet, and if he does the role good, then one can overlook how much he visually differs from the source material (the preexisting white Heimdall in Marvel comics, not that Norse god).
That said, my true beef with this movie is that Triple H wasn't cast as Thor.
That said, my true beef with this movie is that Triple H wasn't cast as Thor.
Actually Tom Cruise being the Last Samurai was markedly more retarded. Look up "whitewashing in Hollywood". See how often that happens.Hagenzz said:
The big difference here (other than the fact that race doesn't actually factor in to the character of Heimdall at all, being a god or alien or whatever) is that Heimdall is a fictional character (the Thor movie) based on a fictional character (the Thor comic) based on a mythical figure, that's three levels deep of "It's not real so who the fuck would care if they changed the character abit". The Asgardians in the Thor comics aren't even gods, really. Versus your stupid example of real historical figures.
Idris Elba is an awesome actor and he was amazing in Thor! But, couldn't he have been amazing in a role that didn't jar so violently with his appearance? He could have been any of the gods and we would have said, well they're gods they can look like whatever they want to look like. But Heimdall is The White God, it's his name, he's always white!
Next year a movie biography of Jackie Chan, starring The Rock!
Next year a movie biography of Jackie Chan, starring The Rock!
Here's what made no sense to me. Why didn't anyone care about Hogun? Sure he had black hair and a silly mustache in the comics but no one ever expressly said he was 'Asian' he certainly didn't have a Japanese accent. (they tend to transcribe heavy accents in marvel comics; see early appearances of Sunfire for Japanese)
I just thought it odd that people only got upset about the 'Black Guy' and not the other minority. (not that it matters on either one)
I guess people didn't care about Hogun because he was completely made up for the comics in the first place.
fun side note: three of my first four D&D characters were pretty much ripoffs of the warriors three even the names.
I just thought it odd that people only got upset about the 'Black Guy' and not the other minority. (not that it matters on either one)
I guess people didn't care about Hogun because he was completely made up for the comics in the first place.
fun side note: three of my first four D&D characters were pretty much ripoffs of the warriors three even the names.
I actually had a number of marvel spotlights starring the warriors three (they were trying to give them their own comic about the time when I was like 6 or 7)bdcjacko said:
Hogun is 'asian-ish' looking but never expressly referred to as such. If it weren't for his hat and mustache i don't think anyone would come to that conclusion.
Who ever heard of asian warriors using a mace? It's ridiculous I say.
His skin is "yellower" than the other guys, if you squint really hard. And Hogun sounds like it could be made up Asian name. But yeah, it is harder to tell unless you already knew?ace_of_something said:I actually had a number of marvel spotlights starring the warriors three (they were trying to give them their own comic about the time when I was like 6 or 7)bdcjacko said:
Hogun is 'asian-ish' looking but never expressly referred to as such. If it weren't for his hat and mustache i don't think anyone would come to that conclusion.
Who ever heard of asian warriors using a mace? It's ridiculous I say.
on looking in to it they did specifically say he's not the same race. They say he's a "mogul" which is a mishmash of a whole bunch of things arabian legend, persian stuff, tibetian monks... maybe they should've had jake gyllanhal play him.bdcjacko said:His skin is "yellower" than the other guys, if you squint really hard. And Hogun sounds like it could be made up Asian name. But yeah, it is harder to tell unless you already knew?ace_of_something said:I actually had a number of marvel spotlights starring the warriors three (they were trying to give them their own comic about the time when I was like 6 or 7)bdcjacko said:
Hogun is 'asian-ish' looking but never expressly referred to as such. If it weren't for his hat and mustache i don't think anyone would come to that conclusion.
Who ever heard of asian warriors using a mace? It's ridiculous I say.
I guess the long and short of it with Hogun, is that he comes from a time where people honestly thought having a token stereotypical (even one that is a mishmash of sterotypes) was the height of progressive thinking and equality. Which is more of my problem with Heimdall being black. It would have been nice to see more black people than him an one other random guard in Asgard.ace_of_something said:
Hmmm. Well, since you apologise so humbly, I guess I can forgive you black man. For now....Acting like a FOOL said:I'm sorry white folks about your Norse god.
I understand that racism is a two-way street and that it's fucked for anybody to wrong anybody else.
I understand that some of you are very serious about your comics and that some of you are actually neo-pagan and dislike both the comics and the movie, so I just want to say I'm sorry as a black man.
Actual history and pseudo/fantasy are two different things sir.
Its really quite funny the furor over this cast.
NO ONE cares that Thor in the movie looks nothing like comic book thor or any of them look anything like the comic.
NO ONE cares that Natalie Portmans character was supposed to be a nurse working in a hospital.
Nope it's that Heimdalls skin color is different.
The least consequential change to the story
Its just pathetic
Its really quite funny the furor over this cast.
NO ONE cares that Thor in the movie looks nothing like comic book thor or any of them look anything like the comic.
NO ONE cares that Natalie Portmans character was supposed to be a nurse working in a hospital.
Nope it's that Heimdalls skin color is different.
The least consequential change to the story
Its just pathetic
Here's my summary of the Heimdall discourse: " Picture man have white face, talky man have dark face. Not same not same!!! Me no like!!! Now me will pound out frustration into little electro-box