Apple Removes Civil War Games From App Store
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Really? That's your entire argument? A ban can't possibly exist except in the context of attempting to pretend it never happened, and since a ban exists, therefore they must be trying to pretend it never happened? As opposed to, say, actually pretending that it never happened, which they are definitely not doing?RJ 17 said:
C'mon. I'm against such government censorship, but also against pretending that the swastika ban [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a] is something it's not.
The people trying to pretend that, say, the holocaust never happened, are the same ones who want to use Third Reich flags.
I am offended by any flag flown by a country thats done bad things. I think why should we stop at nsnning the confederate flag?
Oh wait thats all of them.
Oh wait thats all of them.
So games with swastikas are ok, but the confederate flag is right out?
This whole situation is almost comical in it's level of overreaction. Banning the a flag wont fix the problem, the problem is hate.
This whole situation is almost comical in it's level of overreaction. Banning the a flag wont fix the problem, the problem is hate.
1. It's not forbidden per se, it's allowed to display all things Nazi in museums and the like.RJ 17 said:
2. It's forbidden to display any Nazi-related banners, logos are clothing in public outside of educational purposes. I fully agree with this ban, and I hope so did many German people after the war, but it was instituted by the ALLIED FORCES as part of the Denazification of Germany and Austria. (google it)
If this part of German history is supposed to be buried and forgotten, why did two thirds of my history classes in high school deal with those 12 years?! Why is there a Nazi documentary on TV every week? Why are there so many Holocaust memorials in Germany, including an especially monstrous one in Berlin? Why does every single student have to visit a concentration camp at least once during high school?RJ 17 said:
The civil war wasn't even that bad, but then again most people have forgiven the Americans for that little genocide they committed.
"History is written by the victor"
It is only after the banning of slavery that it became a no-no subject.
People make it sound like it was just the south that partook in slavery... no they struck back at the abolition of it because most of their economy depended on it which to me sounds perfectly reasonable.
Now I'm not saying slavery is reasonable, just saying that the war by itself kind of makes sense.
I don't get this new trend of people being absurdly jumpy all of a sudden over things that have been prevalent for over a 100 years. (like that damn flag).
It's not like the flag itself is a slave owner, the thing is just a piece of fabric, pixels on a screen, the only meaning it has is the one you give to it.
The only power it has is that which you invest in it.
"History is written by the victor"
It is only after the banning of slavery that it became a no-no subject.
People make it sound like it was just the south that partook in slavery... no they struck back at the abolition of it because most of their economy depended on it which to me sounds perfectly reasonable.
Now I'm not saying slavery is reasonable, just saying that the war by itself kind of makes sense.
I don't get this new trend of people being absurdly jumpy all of a sudden over things that have been prevalent for over a 100 years. (like that damn flag).
It's not like the flag itself is a slave owner, the thing is just a piece of fabric, pixels on a screen, the only meaning it has is the one you give to it.
The only power it has is that which you invest in it.
So...the Confederate flag is going to become to the U.S. what the swastika is to Germany? I think that's overkill. The flag being displayed on federal buildings? Yeah, poor taste. Take it down. But getting rid of any game that has it in it, including Civil War games? Um...no.
Yes, and we need to remove Germany & Japan from our world maps, lest impressionable young children discover that WW2 happened. Would someone think of the children?Pirate Of PC Master race said:
Oh, and we need to change the name of our language from English to American, lest they wonder about this "England" place and become traumatized by the Revolutionary War and he controversy of why we kept using the language of THE ENEMY afterward.
Afterward we will begin issuing germ & media-proof plastic bubbles for our citizens to live inside of. It's for the best, citizens. We will decide what you need to know, and it won't be much.
^.^
The enter flap over the flag is a knee-jerk reaction that not only has nothing to do with the horrific tragedy that occurred but completely nullifies any focus on the victims and problems with race.tippy2k2 said:
I was going to say banning the flag would be like banning violent video games, but, here the hell we are. Now excuse me while I go shoot Nazi zombies from outer space, a totally historical, non-hateful way to portray those evil bastards.
Look up "Hernán Cortés" or "Genghis Khan." Look up the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition. Look up the Black Death or the Spanish Flu. There are people & event in history that make the US Civil War look like a vacation. It's amazing how a few centuries can dull people's memory of history's greatest monsters. And right now, today, three million children starve to death on this planet every year.Dynast Brass said:
So yes, 1.2 million dead = Diddly-squat.
And keep in mind, this was back when the US population was much, much smaller. There were only 31 million people in the US in 1860.Dynast Brass said:
Fun-fact: In terms of pure military deaths (I'll consider Confederates as Americans since most of them were repatriated after the war), more American soldiers died during the civil war (somewhere between 600,000-800,000 depending on your sources) than in every single war fought after it (including WWI, WWII and Vietnam) combined. That's not even counting the 300,000-400,000 soldiers that survived the war, but were wounded, maimed or crippled in some way.
A war that the Confederacy started by shooting first.
It really was a taste of what was coming for Europe with WWI in a way. Not as extreme, mind you, but the basic elements were the same. You had oldschool Napoleonic tactics being forced up against more modern artillery and guns with much higher rates of fire (breech loading rifles, Gatling guns, etc) by Generals who just did not have the skills to change with the times. It was just a meat-grinder for everyone involved.
At the same time, I'm not sure that mattered. What people are flying was raised up as a "Southern" icon not because of the war, but as a screw you to black people by very racist individuals.Dynast Brass said:
The argument for historicity here reminds me of the attempts to justify why there were no blacks or women in Assassin's Creed Unity.