Are consoles really this bad now?

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Phoenixmgs said:
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Connections vary of course, but I can't say the whole install/patch as you play has ever really worked out in my experience. Yeah, you can play a tutorial or first level, then you get booted out until it finishes. And the PS4 will throttle the downloads out if you're doing anything flagged as Online (including Party Chat and the built-in Spotify on PSPlus), even including if you're playing something in an Offline mode that has Online capability (like Terraria single player or Titanfalls Campaign)
I've never had an issue playing a new game right away. I do think the only open world games I've played are Watch Dogs and Witcher 3. Data installs from the disc pretty fast so even if you play the intro level super fast, you shouldn't have to wait too long at all. I really couldn't care less about how fast a patch downloads because you don't need it to play anyways, plus I only have a 3mbps connection.
Oh disc installs. I've never even noticed those at all. The downloaded game installs were the ones I was mentioning.
 

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Mangod said:
Sooo...

Reiper said:
My family got a PS4 for christmas, along with 3 extra controllers.
Why are they even selling extra controllers (other than as replacements for broken ones), why do they still design consoles to have multiple controllers plugged in, if you can't play together on the same console?
Because it's cheap. The difference between one USB port and four is less than a dollar and the amount of processing power to keep up with the extra input is trivial. It doesn't really cost the manufacturer anything to keep their options open. Besides, who knows when they might want to add a new peripheral or two?
 

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I think one of the biggest problems facing consoles is that they're no longer as convenient as they used to be. Back in the day you insert the game and start playing. Now you insert the game, wait for it to install, wait for it to patch, wait for it to install additional stuff, then if you're lucky you can play. Now there's no difference in the setup time between a console game and PC game so consoles lost their big edge.
 

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Try learning some of the processes behind various aspects of games development. Then you can earn the right to call game devs greedy and lazy. Although your opinion would change.

Until then, don't make baseless assumptions.
Since I'm a gentlemen, I'll let the 3 day suspension pass before I get back to our repartee. Or just PM me about it. Whichever is more convenient.
 

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Rangaman said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Lastly, consoles are still far more convenient and easier to use. You pop in a disc on PS4 and you're playing within 2 minutes.
What magical PS4 do you own?

It's mostly been dropped because, when it comes down to it, the vast unwashed majority simply don't play Split-Screen anymore. Even siblings nowadays have their own separate systems, or PCs.
He spouts that shit all the time, when Jim Sterling complained about long load times and excessive patch size and how the PS4, all PS4, by the way gimp bandwidth for no reason. He claimed it's Jim Sterling's PS4 or his copy of Mafia III, or say he never encountered any of these common issues that flood Playstation Forums (he is flooding this thread with that now). Best to ignore "Tech Support" and carry on, his information tends to lean into the fanatic zone, like he was hired by Sony for damage control.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
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Phoenixmgs said:
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Lastly, consoles are still far more convenient and easier to use. You pop in a disc on PS4 and you're playing within 2 minutes.
What magical PS4 do you own?
The one that everyone owns. I remember when I first got a PS4 and popped in Watch Dogs, I walked away to get a drink or go to the bathroom as I figured I'd have to wait 15 minutes or so to play. I came back and the game was waiting for me to play.
There's precisely 13 minutes' difference between those two statements there. Besides that, it still takes too fucking long for games to install on the Bone and Pisser.
Huh? I never had to wait more than 2 minutes to play a new game. The game installs as you play it.
You sound like Sony's PR department. That's how it should work in theory. In reality, it takes at half and hour to install a game on either system, and the part of the game you can play is extremely limited. Case in point: I bought DA:I the other day and started playing while it was installing. When I attempted to travel to the Hinterlands, the game crashed. Took me a few minutes to realize it was because the game hadn't finished installing.
 

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Rangaman said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Rangaman said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Rangaman said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Lastly, consoles are still far more convenient and easier to use. You pop in a disc on PS4 and you're playing within 2 minutes.
What magical PS4 do you own?
The one that everyone owns. I remember when I first got a PS4 and popped in Watch Dogs, I walked away to get a drink or go to the bathroom as I figured I'd have to wait 15 minutes or so to play. I came back and the game was waiting for me to play.
There's precisely 13 minutes' difference between those two statements there. Besides that, it still takes too fucking long for games to install on the Bone and Pisser.
Huh? I never had to wait more than 2 minutes to play a new game. The game installs as you play it.
You sound like Sony's PR department. That's how it should work in theory. In reality, it takes at half and hour to install a game on either system, and the part of the game you can play is extremely limited. Case in point: I bought DA:I the other day and started playing while it was installing. When I attempted to travel to the Hinterlands, the game crashed. Took me a few minutes to realize it was because the game hadn't finished installing.
Are you talking about playing off a disc or downloading a game? I always buy physical as I much prefer being able to sell my games.
 

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In terms of game support though? Consoles have a fantastic selection. Bloodborne, The Last of Us HD, The Souls franchise, The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush 2, Nier Automata, World of Final Fantasy, Persona 5... the list is absolutely nuts. I have a whole log of games on my Steam account, but frankly the whole thing just pales in comparison to my current PS4 catalog.
Well, my 100 games on Steam cost 4? a piece on average. Hmm, wasn't there a thread about people's philosophies on how much value they want from a game they buy?

OT: This current generation of people doesn't support local multiplayer xD Get used to it.
 

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McElroy said:
Fox12 said:
In terms of game support though? Consoles have a fantastic selection. Bloodborne, The Last of Us HD, The Souls franchise, The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush 2, Nier Automata, World of Final Fantasy, Persona 5... the list is absolutely nuts. I have a whole log of games on my Steam account, but frankly the whole thing just pales in comparison to my current PS4 catalog.
Well, my 100 games on Steam cost 4? a piece on average. Hmm, wasn't there a thread about people's philosophies on how much value they want from a game they buy?

OT: This current generation of people doesn't support local multiplayer xD Get used to it.
I suppose it all comes down to what you're looking for. With the exception of Undertale, though, I'd probably pick any of the games I listed over the entirety of my Steam library. In terms of quality, at least.
 

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Mangod said:
Sooo...

Reiper said:
My family got a PS4 for christmas, along with 3 extra controllers.
Why are they even selling extra controllers (other than as replacements for broken ones), why do they still design consoles to have multiple controllers plugged in, if you can't play together on the same console?
Well fighting games like Tekken and Street Fighter are still a thing, nothing beats an evening of competitive Tekken Shots (win a round, take a shot) or some such.
 

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Fox12 said:
I'd probably pick any of the games I listed over the entirety of my Steam library. In terms of quality, at least.
!Console Shill Alert!
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Something dawned on me while playing on the PS4: Any game you play is more fun when you use the right designs, right? Then, when you take something already incredible, like the Sony PlaystationTM, and add the finest, freshest parts, what do you get? The ultimate flavor experience! So I ask you McElroy, what's your favorite part?

A) Meat
B) Egg
C) Shrimp
 

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Blame the better internet we have now. It is more possible for people from different location to played the same game than it is about having local people playing together on the same tv.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
Lastly, consoles are still far more convenient and easier to use. You pop in a disc on PS4 and you're playing within 2 minutes.
within 2 minutes after the installation which takes forever.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
Rangaman said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Huh? I never had to wait more than 2 minutes to play a new game. The game installs as you play it.
You sound like Sony's PR department. That's how it should work in theory. In reality, it takes at half and hour to install a game on either system, and the part of the game you can play is extremely limited. Case in point: I bought DA:I the other day and started playing while it was installing. When I attempted to travel to the Hinterlands, the game crashed. Took me a few minutes to realize it was because the game hadn't finished installing.
Are you talking about playing off a disc or downloading a game? I always buy physical as I much prefer being able to sell my games.
Off the disk. You did, after all, specify that you "popped a disc" into your PS4. Why would I be talking about downloads?
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
With online, splitscreen co-op has mainly disappeared. From a technical standpoint, it isn't nearly that easy and never was (it was merely the only way to play with friends thus it was used out of necessity). I personally never really cared for splitscreen MP and having to pay attention to a small corner of the TV. The best co-op games to me are those that don't need to split the screen like Smash Bros or LittleBigPlanet (on PS4 obviously). One of the most fun nights of co-op gaming I ever had was actually on LittleBigPlanet, trying to rob this bank without getting blown up was so much fun.

Here's a list of games on PS4 with local co-op:
http://screenrant.com/best-playstation-3-4-coop-games/?view=all

There's some great games on that list. And, the remaster of Borderlands added in splitscreen co-op.

Lastly, consoles are still far more convenient and easier to use. You pop in a disc on PS4 and you're playing within 2 minutes. Last-gen consoles made the transition to having hard drives and updates and they stumbled mightily. On PS3, you can't even download patches in the background, you can't even play a MP3 as an update downloads. Then, you had the mandatory installs. Whereas PS4, the game installs as you play and downloads any patches.
I gotta say I am impressed how fast a PS4 game installs from a disc. I just got 1 for X-mas and had the discs installed I had got with it in 10 minutes tops (patching was a different story). The Xbone on the other hand takes forever to install a disc without patching.

I was never a big fan of splitscreen (except for Conkers BFD) and prefer the new system. Buy 2 consoles for the house and share the digital copies between the 2.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
With online, splitscreen co-op has mainly disappeared. From a technical standpoint, it isn't nearly that easy and never was (it was merely the only way to play with friends thus it was used out of necessity). I personally never really cared for splitscreen MP and having to pay attention to a small corner of the TV. The best co-op games to me are those that don't need to split the screen like Smash Bros or LittleBigPlanet (on PS4 obviously). One of the most fun nights of co-op gaming I ever had was actually on LittleBigPlanet, trying to rob this bank without getting blown up was so much fun.

Here's a list of games on PS4 with local co-op:
http://screenrant.com/best-playstation-3-4-coop-games/?view=all

There's some great games on that list. And, the remaster of Borderlands added in splitscreen co-op.

Lastly, consoles are still far more convenient and easier to use. You pop in a disc on PS4 and you're playing within 2 minutes. Last-gen consoles made the transition to having hard drives and updates and they stumbled mightily. On PS3, you can't even download patches in the background, you can't even play a MP3 as an update downloads. Then, you had the mandatory installs. Whereas PS4, the game installs as you play and downloads any patches.
You are right; disc install speeds are so much faster than I expected and is another reason I try to keep my large game purchases as disc only. The few times a digital deal was too good to pass off, the download times become something else entirely though. With a download speed that has bipolar tendancies too. And the size of the games being around 50gig means it's a constant juggle of deleting what looks like won't be played anytime soon to allow for a new game. I don't think being stuck with a purchase branded onto your identity forever is a plus in pro-consumer choice either. Don't mind small games so much, but impulsive digital AAA purchases are going to stain pretty badly.
 

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Yoshi178 said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Lastly, consoles are still far more convenient and easier to use. You pop in a disc on PS4 and you're playing within 2 minutes.
within 2 minutes after the installation which takes forever.
Rangaman said:
Off the disk. You did, after all, specify that you "popped a disc" into your PS4. Why would I be talking about downloads?
Several people in this thread (a few posts up for 2 of them) have said basically the same thing about the PS4 as I have. Another poster was talking about digital and I was talking about physical so I thought the same miscommunication may have happened.

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You are right; disc install speeds are so much faster than I expected and is another reason I try to keep my large game purchases as disc only. The few times a digital deal was too good to pass off, the download times become something else entirely though. With a download speed that has bipolar tendancies too. And the size of the games being around 50gig means it's a constant juggle of deleting what looks like won't be played anytime soon to allow for a new game. I don't think being stuck with a purchase branded onto your identity forever is a plus in pro-consumer choice either. Don't mind small games so much, but impulsive digital AAA purchases are going to stain pretty badly.
I have yet to download a big AAA game on PS4 because if you're going to take away my ability to sell my game, then you better give me a quite a discount on a game. You want me to buy digitally so I can't resell the game so make it worth my while basically. I have yet to see the digital price be cheaper (even with sales) than what I can get a physical copy for. Down the line, I can see getting a big AAA game on the PS Store when prices to get really good (under $20) like they did/do on PS3. I don't see myself buying a big game digitally and really wanting to play it right away as it'll probably be a pick up due to a good sale and it will thus be added to the backlog so download times wouldn't be a major factor for me.

Ezekiel said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Lastly, consoles are still far more convenient and easier to use.
I don't know what this is supposed to mean. Using a PC is quite easy and convenient, if you want it to be. I never have to fiddle around with files unless, maybe, it's an old game. There hasn't been one previous generation game that I couldn't get running. My games are organized into much simpler lists and icons than the messy PlayStation and Xbox UIs, and I can launch any of them in three seconds. It takes a little longer if it requires a client, unfortunately. Bugs are more common, but they're almost always fixable and a small price to pay for customization. What is so hard about using a PC after the initial setup? (Everything needs to be set up. You think a console isn't confusing for someone who never games or knows much about TVs?) Stop perpetuating this lie.
What lie? I'm tired of PC gamers saying every pro of a console is now a pro of a PC when it's not. Even Witcher 3 sold more on PS4 than PC, there's reasons lots of people prefer console gaming.

I'm a PC tech and I don't really care to have the hassle of PC gaming, I know it's not a big or constant hassle by any stretch. I can buy a game and just know it's going to work on PS4. I bought games like Arkham Knight and Dishonored 2 on release day and the games played great. Whereas on PC, I mostly likely would've had some major issues. There are the occasional games (major releases too) that might not even launch for some users like say No Man's Sky. TotalBiscuit did a video on Rise of the Tomb Raider saying he wasn't having the same issues as Destructoid using the same exact settings. I may end up having the issues Destructoid had for example. Then, there's probably going to be some minor issue crop up here and there that will takes probably hours of your time to nail down; there was a thread on here not long ago about a Skyrim issue where their character stopped moving forward. I know you can refund on Steam quite easy now, but that is a very new feature and it wasn't an option a few years back. Those deciding PS4/X1 or PC just this gen did not have Steam refunds as a factor in their decision-making for instance.

A lot of people just don't like playing at their computer desks. Consoles are designed for the entertainment room to play on your big TV with your sound system on your comfy couch. You can hook up a PC to a TV really easy but then the PC isn't at the computer desk and thus you can't use it as a PC (you'd have to move it back and forth). You can do that Miracast thing (which isn't without issue) but then both your PC and TV have to support a certain protocol. Even if that works, your controller most likely won't have the range to work from your living room to your computer room. Console gaming is even cheaper than PC gaming due to the ability to resell games. I don't have to wait for a sale to get cheap games, I can buy on Day 1 if I want to for $20 at most (after selling the game).
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
A lot of people just don't like playing at their computer desks. Consoles are designed for the entertainment room to play on your big TV with your sound system on your comfy couch. You can hook up a PC to a TV really easy but then the PC isn't at the computer desk and thus you can't use it as a PC (you'd have to move it back and forth).
Absolutely false. You have a lot of options to not have to move the PC after hooking it to the TV. Wireless keyboard and mouse, TV trays, multiple-screens (most modern graphic cards support that), etc. And who says you need to sit in front of a desk to use your PC as a PC? I don't. I always use it from my comfy couch as both PC and game platform connected to my TV and home theatre. Just because you don't do it, it doesn't mean it can't be done easily.