The M4 Carbine with the Master Key shotgun attachment is probably superior in CQB than any melee weapon.
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No.
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No.
are gunblades plausible
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I'm sure they'll listen to REASON [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_(weapon_system)#Reason].Ultrajoe said:
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The answer is yes.
The answer is yes.
ok people. drop all the "I've got an opinon" crap and listen
1: yes Gunblades in their true sense have been made and are being made.
2: in FF8 he uses gunblade to shoot people as well
3: although there are plenty out there who think they have held a real sword you havn't,
yes your daddy or even yourselves have a sword in the closet or on the shelf and think
"theres one right there stupid guy" well guess what, unless you or your daddy paid
$1000.00 or more then you have not nor will not.
a true sword is light and very well balanced (making it seem light), strong and very durable.
theres been comments that a block would bend blade and throw off shot accuracy, well thats what swords are made for.
as a gunsmith, and a collector of blades i have to say a proper blade 24" long (could be longer) mounted under a revolver frame say a 500 casul would be a nasty weapon loads of stopping power, devastating impact (bullets 1/2" round 2 to 21/2 inch long), with a standard revolver grip the curved grip will give a chopping quality to the the sword attacks delivering even more power than a standard sword... ooh i think i may try to make one
i dont think an automatic would be a good idea but a heavy frame say a .50 desert eagle may have the strength to hold up to the abuse, but i would still go with the revolver.
by the way the us still has bayonett capable weapons and trains for their use, the extra grip afforded by a weapon gives the blade a highr power impact point, meaning more penatration into armor. BUTthey would rather our forces use their knives in classic hand to hand style because unlike some bayonett weilding armies ours are physical engines of destruction, and can do more damage with the knife itself
1: yes Gunblades in their true sense have been made and are being made.
2: in FF8 he uses gunblade to shoot people as well
3: although there are plenty out there who think they have held a real sword you havn't,
yes your daddy or even yourselves have a sword in the closet or on the shelf and think
"theres one right there stupid guy" well guess what, unless you or your daddy paid
$1000.00 or more then you have not nor will not.
a true sword is light and very well balanced (making it seem light), strong and very durable.
theres been comments that a block would bend blade and throw off shot accuracy, well thats what swords are made for.
as a gunsmith, and a collector of blades i have to say a proper blade 24" long (could be longer) mounted under a revolver frame say a 500 casul would be a nasty weapon loads of stopping power, devastating impact (bullets 1/2" round 2 to 21/2 inch long), with a standard revolver grip the curved grip will give a chopping quality to the the sword attacks delivering even more power than a standard sword... ooh i think i may try to make one
i dont think an automatic would be a good idea but a heavy frame say a .50 desert eagle may have the strength to hold up to the abuse, but i would still go with the revolver.
by the way the us still has bayonett capable weapons and trains for their use, the extra grip afforded by a weapon gives the blade a highr power impact point, meaning more penatration into armor. BUTthey would rather our forces use their knives in classic hand to hand style because unlike some bayonett weilding armies ours are physical engines of destruction, and can do more damage with the knife itself
1) Not a good idea to insult potential readers of a post by throwing out a "better than thou" insult.Asolfr said:
2) This is a forum, people are entitled to share their opinions, there is nothing wrong with people posting an opinion unless they try to pass it off as fact without any proof.
3) Rant less, really. Then you go on another better than thou tangent to claim that people are tards because they own replica or decorative swords.
In short, drop the better than you act, if you will make claims, saying you're an expert on the subject doesn't hold water on the net, provide links...like the other people in the thread before you.
i don't know a damn thing about making a sword.
hey a google search showed me that swords have to made light to absorb shocks but strong enough to cut or to withstand a thrust attack.
if a gunblade is made solely to provide a greater blade impact not to be used as secondary weapon as history seems to show us, then I don't think it'll work. I looked at some images of the weapon and the barrel of the pistol ends into the blade. So if you load a round into the pistol and fired it, you just destroyed your weapon and possibly your hand. Even if it gave you greater impact force on your downward swing or thrust you can not pull the trigger again. Having a six shooter cylinder in that blade is a dumb idea.
now the grip i can see as being good if the weapon is design for swings attacks not thrust attacks. it seems to me a grip with type of angle might be more comfortable when swings the blade. There is a trigger gaurd but no guard for the blade, so thrusting the blade seems uncomfortable.
hey a google search showed me that swords have to made light to absorb shocks but strong enough to cut or to withstand a thrust attack.
if a gunblade is made solely to provide a greater blade impact not to be used as secondary weapon as history seems to show us, then I don't think it'll work. I looked at some images of the weapon and the barrel of the pistol ends into the blade. So if you load a round into the pistol and fired it, you just destroyed your weapon and possibly your hand. Even if it gave you greater impact force on your downward swing or thrust you can not pull the trigger again. Having a six shooter cylinder in that blade is a dumb idea.
now the grip i can see as being good if the weapon is design for swings attacks not thrust attacks. it seems to me a grip with type of angle might be more comfortable when swings the blade. There is a trigger gaurd but no guard for the blade, so thrusting the blade seems uncomfortable.
Yeah its called a bayonet. But really though, why would you really need anything longer than a bayonet. An entire fucking sword would just be unweildly
I have a little experiment. If you can't actually do it, follow along mentally. Obtain yourself a rifle. An M16 or variant (C7, AR15) would work quite well, but anything will do so long as it has a pistol grip.
Hold it one-handed by the pistol grip, and try a few different positions of firing. Try holding it out to look over a sight. Boy, that's heavy! Try holding it at your hip. Damn, that's awkward. Now try and swing the fucking thing, one handed. Oh my, that wasn't a hard swing at all!
Congratulations, you've experimented with the approximate weight/length of the gunblade. A sword grip is impossible to shoot with, a pistol grip won't sword-fight well (try and hold that barrel straight up). A compromise grip would be lousy at both. Having a blade on the front makes it impossible to grip two-handed like a rifle (unless you're just putting a knife on the end of a rifle... exactly like a bayonet, which is successful), so you've got to support this one-handed.
How do you carry this thing around? You couldn't sling it and leave a blade bouncing around: you'd have to sheathe it. That'd make it slow to draw.
It would be an inaccurate weapon at any range, because you're holding the damn thing one-handed.
Ugh, what a stupid weapon.
Hold it one-handed by the pistol grip, and try a few different positions of firing. Try holding it out to look over a sight. Boy, that's heavy! Try holding it at your hip. Damn, that's awkward. Now try and swing the fucking thing, one handed. Oh my, that wasn't a hard swing at all!
Congratulations, you've experimented with the approximate weight/length of the gunblade. A sword grip is impossible to shoot with, a pistol grip won't sword-fight well (try and hold that barrel straight up). A compromise grip would be lousy at both. Having a blade on the front makes it impossible to grip two-handed like a rifle (unless you're just putting a knife on the end of a rifle... exactly like a bayonet, which is successful), so you've got to support this one-handed.
How do you carry this thing around? You couldn't sling it and leave a blade bouncing around: you'd have to sheathe it. That'd make it slow to draw.
It would be an inaccurate weapon at any range, because you're holding the damn thing one-handed.
Ugh, what a stupid weapon.
They existed, so they were more than plausible. I think you may have meant to say "practical", as in, "Are they practical for combat use?"
The answer is: not as presented in Final Fantasy games. A sword growing off and out of the front of a revolver is quite possibly the dumbest possible way someone could implement one of these things. Hell, even a standard cross-shaped sword with a pistol attached to the side of the grip would work better (not that it would work well).
Best solution? Ditch the sword and the pistol and get yourself a rifle, maybe with a bayonet on it.
The answer is: not as presented in Final Fantasy games. A sword growing off and out of the front of a revolver is quite possibly the dumbest possible way someone could implement one of these things. Hell, even a standard cross-shaped sword with a pistol attached to the side of the grip would work better (not that it would work well).
Best solution? Ditch the sword and the pistol and get yourself a rifle, maybe with a bayonet on it.
This man said what I said, but in a more detailed fashion. Truth is present.51gunner said:
It would be possible to combine a sword and a gun in a way that isn't simply a bayonet but it would by no means be an effective weapon.
In order the keep the sword element of the weapon useful you would have to modify a one handed firearm (like a pistol, revolver or machine pistol) which would mean that it would only be effective for close range skirmishs (due to the difficulty in maintaining the weapons accuracy), this wouldn't be an issue considering the weapon's 'dual purpose' (that being encounters in arms reach).
However, in the modern day the armed services don't usually engage in melee or hand-to-hand combat (it would be reasonable to assume that most firefights take place at a fair distance and both sides involved with often be attempting to hide in cover from the enemy, running out with a gunblade, shooting off a couple of rounds and hacking at the other fellow will more than likely get you killed).
It's use would require the user to adopt a reckless approach to combat by getting toe-to-toe with the other guy, it may be useful in dueling and may look cool but you've got a weapon that is only useful in a very specific (and rare) situation and would only be volunteraly be wielded by a remarkably brave idiot.
In order the keep the sword element of the weapon useful you would have to modify a one handed firearm (like a pistol, revolver or machine pistol) which would mean that it would only be effective for close range skirmishs (due to the difficulty in maintaining the weapons accuracy), this wouldn't be an issue considering the weapon's 'dual purpose' (that being encounters in arms reach).
However, in the modern day the armed services don't usually engage in melee or hand-to-hand combat (it would be reasonable to assume that most firefights take place at a fair distance and both sides involved with often be attempting to hide in cover from the enemy, running out with a gunblade, shooting off a couple of rounds and hacking at the other fellow will more than likely get you killed).
It's use would require the user to adopt a reckless approach to combat by getting toe-to-toe with the other guy, it may be useful in dueling and may look cool but you've got a weapon that is only useful in a very specific (and rare) situation and would only be volunteraly be wielded by a remarkably brave idiot.