Are Humans Stupid or Evil?

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Canadamus Prime

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Ahhpple said:
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Ahhpple said:
Neither. Humans are naturally good and are perverted into evil and most every human has the capacity for intelligent thought. hth
humans are born with tears in their eyes and are demanding with no consideration for others into it is hammered into them by the ones they tormented.we are born stupid,rude,uncaring and with sin(I havee areligion so I thought I'd throw that in)
And don't forget destructive. If you ever watch a baby left to his/her own devices, his/her natural tenancy is to break, or at least try to break, whatever he/she happens to get into. That's why I always get nervous when my sister and parents let my 1 and a half year old nephew get into absolutely everything.
The natural tendency at one and a half years old is to experiment and try new things. Babies don't chew up paintings and throw food on the walls with malicious intent, and if you really think your nephew is out to tear apart your library because he doesn't want you to be able to read then I don't know what to say.
You misunderstand me. I didn't say the intent was malicious. It's like Majin Buu in DBZ. From the time of his creation Buu was ordered to kill people and destroy things. After absorbing the Kais he became as innocent as an infant, but was still made to kill and destroy. Much later after being freed of his shackles, he still continued to kill and destroy because that was all he'd ever known since his creation; until he learned that it was wrong. I guess where I'm going with that is he didn't know better. Babies on the other hand, likewise don't know better, but don't have the excuse of knowing nothing but destruction from the time they exit the womb. I guess my point is humans are born knowing how to destroy things, that's something that we don't have to learn, and we seem all to willing to do it too even as babies.
Also, don't get me wrong, I love my nephew, he's family after all. I just get concerned that he's allowed to play with everything. I mean, my sisters good about it, she doesn't let him play with my stuff.
They do not know destruction from when they're born. They learn from experience. A baby doesn't know that hitting your PSP against the floor will break it. He's learning.
Ok ok, you win. However I still say that human beings are inherently destructive. How else do you explain our insatiable need to find new and inventive ways to kill each other? Not to kill other animals for sustenance, but to kill each other and often for arbitrary stupid reasons. If that's not evil, then I don't know what is.
 

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Humans are creatures capable of many actions. However, how we decide things as stupid and evil are entirely subjective.

In anyway, humans have the ability to do something stupid or intelligent. It's also the same thing for good and evil.

However, I define intelligence as "The process of gaining informations and use them for a specific puporse". Humans can learn any science ,and they would be considered intelligent. Humans can learn how to use a fork and a knife, and they would still be considered intelligent.
 

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Ok ok, you win. However I still say that human beings are inherently destructive. How else do you explain our insatiable need to find new and inventive ways to kill each other? Not to kill other animals for sustenance, but to kill each other and often for arbitrary stupid reasons. If that's not evil, then I don't know what is.
It's not insatiable. It's not even a need. If you're asking why people resort to violence there are a number of reasons. There are lots of things humans need to have and an idea on how to kill people is not one of them.
 

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Considering that most people do something and then justify it after the fact, I am going to go with stupid.
 

Canadamus Prime

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Ok ok, you win. However I still say that human beings are inherently destructive. How else do you explain our insatiable need to find new and inventive ways to kill each other? Not to kill other animals for sustenance, but to kill each other and often for arbitrary stupid reasons. If that's not evil, then I don't know what is.
It's not insatiable. It's not even a need. If you're asking why people resort to violence there are a number of reasons. There are lots of things humans need to have and an idea on how to kill people is not one of them.
If you really believe that, then try explaining that to the rest of humanity 'cause you don't need to convince me, I just calls 'em like I see 'em.
 

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We are humans.

We destroy, we live, we hate, we love, we fight, we die, we bleed, we cry.

We are not stupid, we are not evil.

We are not perfect.

We are humans.
 

Sightless Wisdom

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Ahhpple said:
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I have a theory, it gose like this:

Every action you do is based on selfisnes. Like typing this, is my act of trying to be smart, that is based on selfisness. You may be trying to save someone from something, why? Ever wonder why we help others. Two basic resons: 1. we feel sorry for them, we help them so we don't feel sorry for them any more. 2. we wana be considered heroes for helping them. And you might be thinking "what if your being forced to do something" well your doing that act to not suffer what will happnen if you don't.

Plese comment and speak your mind.
Your theory is called egoism and it's about 100 years old.
I'm inclined to tell you that calling something old does not discredit it. This person in my opnion is very much correct. This "egoism" as you call it is really a sad truth the way I see things. But if you don't believe me take it from Anton Szandor Levay and his thousands of followers. He created a religion called satanism, it follows very similar beliefs to this so called egoism and I am indeed a Levay Satanist.
I know that old things can work. It doesn't change the fact that egoism is still a shit philosophy.
You know that's blatently insulting to both me and hundreds of other people. If I cared enough I would report you.
 

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Sightless Wisdom said:
You know that's blatently insulting to both me and hundreds of other people. If I cared enough I would report you.
If could explain it to you if you wanted, just say the word
 

Arkhangelsk

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Every human act is based on egoism. Read some Ayn Rand and you'll understand. Evey act we do is cause we believe that there is a benefit for us. Help a loved one? Benefit there, they'll owe you one or they'll think higher thoughts about you. It's a sad fact, but true. Although I try to not think about it.

We're not stupid/evil, we're human, we're programmed the way we are, to be greedy or "evil" is to have a certain perspective on the world and how big your ego is, that your brain has more thoughts on benefit through materailistic things rather than social and emotional value.
 

TheBXRabbit

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Human beings as a rule will always try to put themselves above everyone else. We validate our existence by witnessing those who are worse off than us, or lowering those who we believe are above us to or below our level.

Example 1: If you see someone who's happier, wealthier, stronger, or better than you in any of the thousands of ways we judge people, you'll first look for or imagine all the ways you're better than them. If that doesn't work, and sometimes even if it does, you'll dislike that person. If misfortune falls on them and they end up worse than you, the dislike stops. Not because of guilt, but because you now feel better about yourself.

Example 2: Charity work. Ask anyone who does it and they'll almost always say they enjoy the feeling they get from helping others. That's because they're attending to those they feel (subliminally at least) are beneath them. Those that are being helped will either accept the aid or reject it because they feel that they don't need it, that they're better than it.

Example 3: FML, and those videos on the internet of people being idiots and hurting themselves. It's pretty self-explanatory. You feel better after reading/watching people you think are either idiots or incredibly unlucky.

It's cruel, and when you look at it from a distance it's unbelievably stupid, but it's just human nature. Most people don't realize it, or don't care, and that's okay. I for one will openly admit that I enjoy messing with people, it's fun and usually funny.

"Pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist."
 

Sightless Wisdom

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Ahhpple said:
Sightless Wisdom said:
You know that's blatently insulting to both me and hundreds of other people. If I cared enough I would report you.
If could explain it to you if you wanted, just say the word
No I understand perfectly fine, its just the way you worded it is equivilant to me saying something like "Christianity is a shit religion". Which is offensive to many people.
 

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Homicidal Hobbes said:
You know what else? There is so much critiscism of girls who engage in sex without a commited partner... slut to put it bluntly. *snip*
Yeah. Dunno what that's about. Prob a hold-over from the last few hundred years. Since women are outbreeding men, and one of our "geniuses" has devised a way for women to breed without the need for male input, in a few more generations the point will likely be moot anyway, as women become the only human gender and we men devolve into lumpy grey creatures used for carrying shopping and killing spiders.