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Wolfwind said:
Lyiat said:
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avidabey said:
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All that was years ago though. Personally, I don't like to fight or hurt people (or get hurt :p), so I just walk away. What's that saying? "You don't learn martial arts to use them. You learn them so you don't have to use them."
Isn't that the theory behind nuclear weaponry? "We don't have them to use them, we have them so we never have to." =P
Then I do believe we've learned the truth. Martial Arts = Nuclear Power.
o.o

Gives a whole new meaning to the atomic drop, doesn't it?

Edit: Atomic Drop is a WWE move.
It does, and suddenly moves like the hadouken don't seem so far fetched. It's a blast of nuclear energy.

The mystery of ki, solved. :D
Of course! The Spirit Bomb is just nuclear fission! We should get this published! People will talk about the Wolfwind and Lyiat Principal for years to come!
 

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Lyiat said:
Wolfwind said:
Lyiat said:
Wolfwind said:
avidabey said:
Isn't that the theory behind nuclear weaponry? "We don't have them to use them, we have them so we never have to." =P
Then I do believe we've learned the truth. Martial Arts = Nuclear Power.
o.o

Gives a whole new meaning to the atomic drop, doesn't it?

Edit: Atomic Drop is a WWE move.
It does, and suddenly moves like the hadouken don't seem so far fetched. It's a blast of nuclear energy.

The mystery of ki, solved. :D
Of course! The Spirit Bomb is just nuclear fission! We should get this published! People will talk about the Wolfwind and Lyiat Principal for years to come!
I do believe we have a best seller on our hands! But it's too much power! In fact.... it's probably OVER 9000!!!

Thus, I don't think we should publish these findings. They might fall into the wrong hands.
 

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has anyone that has practiced martial arts actually applied it to real life situations? i have been studying ninjutsu for a number of years now and not once have i had to test my skills in a real life situation...
Okay, first thing first, I am very surprised you bring this question here, this should have been covered in the theoretical parts of your training years ago.

Lets begin...

A. Sports. Many martial arts have branches in professional sports. even Olympics for some. So if you want to use your martial art training in real life, go join some martial art league or switch to an Olympic version of martial arts and go for the gold.

B. Health. Your training is applied consistently to your health and general life style. Trust me, having a heart attack at forty is a very real life situation and living healthy threw martial arts fights that like nothing else.

C. Mental fortitude. Martial arts training at its core is about overcoming your own limitations, overcoming momentary pain for greater rewards. I've had a hard life, and many times the patience, courage, and fierceness taught to me by martial arts, served me to keep going. To get up in the morning and go to two jobs, come home, take care of my kid, and stay up into the night doing college assignments.

D. Self-defense. The idiots view of martial arts. And I use the word idiot deliberately, as in the uninformed. The chances of you having to defend yourself in life are slim, not counting people who work as cops or soldiers, different story there. However, most fights aren't against armed or skilled opponents, more like some fists thrown at a pub. A skilled fighter has a huge advantage in these situations.

E. Artistic expression. Now, I know not all martial arts are deep enough for this, but ninjutsu sure as hell is. It's called martial ARTS for a reason. At its finest the practice and perfection of your craft as a fighter achieves level of artistic creation. A very satisfying and rewarding experience.

There are many more levels, but I got to go now, hope I gave you some answers.
 

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Wolfwind said:
Lyiat said:
Wolfwind said:
Lyiat said:
Wolfwind said:
avidabey said:
Isn't that the theory behind nuclear weaponry? "We don't have them to use them, we have them so we never have to." =P
Then I do believe we've learned the truth. Martial Arts = Nuclear Power.
o.o

Gives a whole new meaning to the atomic drop, doesn't it?

Edit: Atomic Drop is a WWE move.
It does, and suddenly moves like the hadouken don't seem so far fetched. It's a blast of nuclear energy.

The mystery of ki, solved. :D
Of course! The Spirit Bomb is just nuclear fission! We should get this published! People will talk about the Wolfwind and Lyiat Principal for years to come!
I do believe we have a best seller on our hands! But it's too much power! In fact.... it's probably OVER 9000!!!

Thus, I don't think we should publish these findings. They might fall into the wrong hands.
Your right... I guess the truth must be sealed away forever on teh internets. Fairwell fame. Parting is such sweet sorrow...
 

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I take classes more for the fitness since my classes usually involve different workouts.

I like doing forward rolls in public. It gets people's attention or confuses them. lol
 

The Wooster

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I have a few friends who practice martial arts and they claim they can use it in real situations at which point I explain the fatal flaw with martial arts, it has no natural defense against the tackle. Yes if you became buff you could stop it but in reality how many moves are there that are intended on stopping a large man from running into you knocking you on the ground and preceding to punch you in the face repeatedly.
A tackle? A knee in the face works wonders. As does pushing your legs back, putting your weight on the tackler's head and working him into the ground, from there you can either take his back or choke him with a very simple headlock.

A very large portion of BJJ is how to deal with people who shoot (basically a tackle but usually a little lower)
 

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Just learn the Saikyo Arts like I have never worry about it again.

I mean who can stop a koryuken???

not even jesus my friend...

not even jesus...
 

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asiepshtain said:
Nycto said:
has anyone that has practiced martial arts actually applied it to real life situations? i have been studying ninjutsu for a number of years now and not once have i had to test my skills in a real life situation...
Okay, first thing first, I am very surprised you bring this question here, this should have been covered in the theoretical parts of your training years ago.

Lets begin...

A. Sports. Many martial arts have branches in professional sports. even Olympics for some. So if you want to use your martial art training in real life, go join some martial art league or switch to an Olympic version of martial arts and go for the gold.

B. Health. Your training is applied consistently to your health and general life style. Trust me, having a heart attack at forty is a very real life situation and living healthy threw martial arts fights that like nothing else.

C. Mental fortitude. Martial arts training at its core is about overcoming your own limitations, overcoming momentary pain for greater rewards. I've had a hard life, and many times the patience, courage, and fierceness taught to me by martial arts, served me to keep going. To get up in the morning and go to two jobs, come home, take care of my kid, and stay up into the night doing college assignments.

D. Self-defense. The idiots view of martial arts. And I use the word idiot deliberately, as in the uninformed. The chances of you having to defend yourself in life are slim, not counting people who work as cops or soldiers, different story there. However, most fights aren't against armed or skilled opponents, more like some fists thrown at a pub. A skilled fighter has a huge advantage in these situations.

E. Artistic expression. Now, I know not all martial arts are deep enough for this, but ninjutsu sure as hell is. It's called martial ARTS for a reason. At its finest the practice and perfection of your craft as a fighter achieves level of artistic creation. A very satisfying and rewarding experience.

There are many more levels, but I got to go now, hope I gave you some answers.

i love the definitions of martial arts, many thanks mate
 

Nycto

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Ninjutsu? Really? I had heard that there weren't any schools that taught an authentic style of ninjutsu outside of Japan, and that they're not easy to get into. Which style? (I hope it doesn't sound like I'm doing some "calling you out" sort of thing. I'm just genuinely curious).

Either way, as "karate kid" as this may sound, I've personally thought martial arts were first and foremost a way of mastering yourself, which would lead to mastering your opponent. Thus, actually using techniques against people is a last resort, since one of the main aspects of any martial art is dicipline.

The only two martial arts that I've practiced long term were Tae Kwon Do and Judo. I've dabbled in other stuff, but not to any serious extent. Personally, I've only used what I've learned twice in real fights. I won one, but felt bad because I think I used excessive force (lack of dicipline and control), and I lost one because (and I'm not making this up), the guy crumpled up crackers and threw them in my face. Hahaha, what a stupid way to lose a fight, but it did teach me how different and chaotic a real fight is from sparring and training. Some people say it's dirty, what he did, but realistically, I wasn't prepared for it, I was over-confident, and I lost and learned from it. I lost cause I lacked real experience.

All that was years ago though. Personally, I don't like to fight or hurt people (or get hurt :p), so I just walk away. What's that saying? "You don't learn martial arts to use them. You learn them so you don't have to use them."

yeah there are a few "schools" out there, but they arn't authenticly ninjutsu (or associated with the original schools of japan which have all but been lost). but we still work off the scroll remnants
 

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SilentHunter7 said:
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after 2 yrs of karate and boxing you'd think I'd feel at ease right?

not rly, you gotta be able to pull off the same drills in your training in a real life situation. saying otherwise feels similar to telling an army private to leave their weapons behind. it takes skill to pull of a round house kick but it takes smooth, quick thinking and execution round house kick a maniac with a knife....on reflex.
I've taken 4 years of Tang Soo Do, and I'm still not comfortable with using round and side kicks in sparring. I mostly try to stay with hand techniques, saving kicks for when I really see an opening.
that's what I mean in my original post. you gotta always keep a plan-B in stock, even when you think you'll never use it...

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yeah there are a few "schools" out there, but they arn't authenticly ninjutsu (or associated with the original schools of japan which have all but been lost). but we still work off the scroll remnants
I usually never believe it when someone says that they have done ninjutsu because it's been so badly mis-interpreted in the united states. most of my mates who don't know a lick of martial arts say that it's all about brute force and shit people are expected to see come out of a ninja gaiden game and that traditional movement is for pussies, which always leaves me in a laughing position because I have to keep reminding them that my grandpa still practices muay thai after 50 yrs.(then again I myself at don't know just of scred muay thai is. I only know that it's sorta like the big, mean brother to kickboxing and that the leg exercises are meant to put you through the ringer.)

sorry if I'm blabbing too much though bud, I'm just always compfy when someone talks about the arts.

so to end this if you could put ninjutsu's main point(s) in summery what would it be? because I'm damned confused of it's meaning at this point.
 

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No problem, however I do believe that this is stuff you need to go over with your trainer.
The fine tuning of these definitions and how they relate to your course in training is vital stuff, and must be part of the training definitions. Please talk to him about this stuff. I am certain he will help guide you in this matter.
 

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In warfare, martial arts/hand-to-hand combat, is nearly useless (I say nearly because there are times when they are needed), but in urban environments, where crime and thuggerly can be anywhere, it can be very useful.
 

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Once I woke up and was attacked by ninjas, after killing the last 4000 of them with my sceaming osselot kick i went and had some cornflakes. Unfortunatly there was a Hydra in my kitchen and I had to battle it with the Doom Spoon of Hades.

In other words 'no'
 

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Alright...first off about the tackle. Heres a small list of things I could do to stop someone whos charging me dead in his tracks.

Groin kick. He's building huge amounts of force while he charges, so why not let him experience it for himself in the balls? And don't give me the "BUT GIO LOW BLOWS R CHEAP N GAY LOL". Theres no such thing as a cheap shot because theres no such thing as a fair fight. The guy is probably twice my size in muscle mass, so how is that fair?


Clothes line. This is a bit timing-based but sure, you can clothes-line some poor sucker. This time instead of getting his own force in the balls, he gets it in the throat. If it doesn't crush his windpipe, it will definetly fucking hurt and he won't want to fight anymore.

Evade. Simple and sweet, just evade him and let him keep running. I could evade all day. Though I would eventually get bored and just kick him anyway.

"Acceptance-movement." This is when you "accept" his tackle by moving to the side slightly, gripping the arm and then using the force he built running, turn his elbow the wrong way. That hurts. It hurts a lot. If you don't want to be a dick, you could just turn it into a throw and land his teeth in the pavement. Not sure which is worse, but I'm sure he could tell you after he gets back form the hospital/dentist.


For the record, I'm a member of the Unified Fighting Arts Federation/Association. Our School is one of the best in the area. For those who argue the whole "no experience" thing, as you get up in rank you are faced with more real-life situations.

At every test you have to do X amount of self-defense. For my last test which I took Saturday, I had to literally have people my size and bigger charge at me and TRY to hit me. No stopping, no control, try and break my face with their fists, feet, and a variety of weapons and household objects. I got punched once, was a double round-house and one of them landed in my face. Oh well, I just hit him back and moved on. Nevermind that my lip was bleeding, its only a little bit of blood.

Thats another thing; conditioning. People who train are often conditioned by the teacher so that if they DO get hit in the street, they shrug it off. "Oh, so you like punching me huh? Okay, let me try, its my turn."

The problem with martial arts today is the lack of focus on real-life defense. Just like I described, now that I am a Green Belt (thats belt 6 of 10, 10 being Black Belt) no one fucks around anymore. When I do defense, I get charged at. I also had to do multiple-attacker at my test. E.g. one guy grabs me, another charges from the front, after I deal with them I immediatly get attacked by a knife-wielder.

Now that I am done bragging, I need to admit that yes, sometimes you simply can't defend off certain things. If a guy is holding a gun 10 feet away, give him your wallet. And if he says "I'm going to kill you."...well, you got nothing to lose, run in a direction that it would be hard it aim (if its in his right hand and pointing forward, run to his left or your right, he would have a hard time getting an accurate shot like that, then you can attempt to get behind him, pick up a rock and throw it, do something and TRY to stop him since if you didn't he was just going to shoot you anyway).

At close range..well...remember how Leon said in RE4 "Use knives next time, works better for close encounters"? Thats true. You should focus on getting your body AWAY from the front of the barrel. If its a revolver, put your finger over the hammer on the back if its DA, or if its SA try and squeeze it forward to impair the gun, or on a semi-auto, grip the slider as HARD AS YOU CAN. While disabling the gun you should put your knee in his groin, your head in his face, something to make him hurt.

With a knife...obviously you want to avoid the blade. Accept that you will get likely cut, and with the gun you likely will be shot, try and go inside and grip the knife, stick your right foot in his groin or another vunerable area. STOP HIM. Thats whats important.

And a club...avoid the tip at all costs. Best bet is to jam him so he can't swing out, and if he does theres little to no force behind it to give the stopping power he needs to use on you.

And really...applying it in real life can simply depend on where you live. If your in the city, especially if your female, you want to be able to defend. In fact, I know a woman who worked at a mall and was a martial artist. Once she was heading out after work and some creepy dude tried to grab her and drag her away. By the time the cops got there, they were laughing like hell, cause she fucking destroyed him. A bunch of broken ribs, broken nose, ruptured testicles. She felt bad for it too...I don't know why cause he really deserved it.

So yes, Martial Arts are still a valuable tool. I'll close this long-ass post by quoting the FAQ on our website.


"Why are the martial arts so popular?

The martial arts? popularity comes mainly from the fact that it is not a passing fad. It has withstood the tests of time. It is much more than self-defense skills training. It is a lifestyle of physical and mental training and challenges that encourage an individual to strive to do more and be more. Martial arts? training has proven to develop an individual?s complete mental and physical being coupled with an immovable spirit."
 

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black lincon said:
I have a few friends who practice martial arts and they claim they can use it in real situations at which point I explain the fatal flaw with martial arts, it has no natural defense against the tackle. Yes if you became buff you could stop it but in reality how many moves are there that are intended on stopping a large man from running into you knocking you on the ground and preceding to punch you in the face repeatedly.
This happened to me in a night club. A rugby player tried to tackle me to the floor. I sprawled (weight down on the back of his head/neck/torso while throwing my hips and legs back) and put a guilotine choke on him.

The guy couldnt get out and was all but unconscious by the time the bouncers arrived tho escort us both out. Strangley the doormen were very gentle with me.

You could say I "won" but it ruined my night and he got spit/snot all over my shirt where I was choking him. I hope never to have to do it again

I do a very freestyle kind of Karate, Kick boxing and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. The BJJ is all grappling, no strikes so it goes well with the rest of my skill set. I just wish in the UK we did wrestling in high school.

As far as being hit from behind, a bottle to the back of your head will finish anyone so its not worth discussing sneak attacks. I could equally by hit by a bus.

With weapons its not worth the risk. If you have a knife or bat Ill use my fitness and out run you.
 

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I did Karate a bit when I was about 15. Never actually used everything I learned. I mean when someone wanted to get into a fight and actually punched me a good kick in the stomach and they would be on their knees crying.
 

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This may seem a little roundabout, but here goes.

The scots are the true masters of unarmed combat. This is because they have realised that no matter how much you train, steel and discipline yourself, it really all comes down to ferocity, luck and pain tolerance.

The scottish means of stopping the tackle: hit them with a chair. Simple. Other techniques...not gonna work. It all comes down to physics, and something moving with mass, vs something standing still....well, whatever has the most mass will win. Of course, there are other factors, but in truth nine times out of ten brute force will triumph over technique simply because you don't have to think about brute force.

Other solutions:

Knife: Run away.
Gun: drop wallet, then run away.
Multiple attackers: run away or kamikaze-charge the leader, and pray to god they're too stupid to figure ot your ploy.
 

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Just Consider that there are many martial arts "masters" that have gotten their faces smashed by a skinhead/whatever with streetsmarts and an aggression. oh, and by the way http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mexican%20Judo
 

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Depends on what you do.

Working in mental health, I did a bit of training with simple arrest control tactics, but when I use them I get in trouble. Stupid doctors think that a dog pile is somehow safer for a violent patient. *facepalm*

Oh shit! Did that guy get his hip broken? Whose fault is that?
 

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Giovanto said:
At close range..well...remember how Leon said in RE4 "Use knives next time, works better for close encounters"? Thats true. You should focus on getting your body AWAY from the front of the barrel. If its a revolver, put your finger over the hammer on the back if its DA, or if its SA try and squeeze it forward to impair the gun, or on a semi-auto, grip the slider as HARD AS YOU CAN. While disabling the gun you should put your knee in his groin, your head in his face, something to make him hurt.
This is the worst advice I've ever come across. This is not the movies, attempting to stop a semi automatic by grabbing hold of the slide will just give you a broken wrist and a burnt hand, then your assailant will shoot you anyway.