Are men finished? Will our new female overlords be kind?

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Fishdog52

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According to some census information I fetched from http://www.geohive.com/earth/pop_gender.aspx, there are more than 4 million more females than males in the United States. If there are more of them, then there should be more females than males doing X under most circumstances. If you were to argue that the ratio of female college graduates was greater than that of male graduates, than I would give you some other ratios. For instance, there are many manual labor jobs which need filled. For instance, females have around 7% more body fat, yet on average weight 30 pounds more? This can mean several things, like larger bones and muscles for moving objects. Obviously when you consider that men are tailored to be the workhorses of society, men are more preferred for manual labor jobs, which unsurprisingly do not require a college degree. This is one of many points which is obviously overlooked that I feel detract from the point of the debate itself.

The main problem, which makes this debate seem less intellectually based, is that it already seems skewed to one side instead of being a neutral hosting body. It very clearly insinuates that women are already very dominant, when statistically, that does not appear to be the case. For instance, about 27% of men are college grads while about 29% of women are. That's not an impressive difference considering men still make on average 20% more than women in the US. Additionally, for every mindless past-time enjoyed by males, there are counterparts for females, and are making up a greater percentage of inmate population compared to the past rates.

The information is horribly skewed in order to drum up publicity for a debate, but it has a negative effect from my perspective. If anything, there is a greater trend towards equality of the sexes, and not dominance of either party.

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At least it made me verify something I already knew. Men are fine, L2P.
 

Iron Mal

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Men aren't finished (far from it) and I'm skeptical of a lot of the stats in that article (considering how most of them were just broad stereotypes rather than actual facts).

If men were to completely disappear from society forever then I guarentee you that you'd be left with a huge mess of problems and a fair amount of anarchy (and the same would ring true if women were to disappear completely), men and women compliment each other and argueably need each other (if we didn't then odds are on that most of wouldn't be here today).

There are also more than a few frightening implications attached to those who seem to believe that we'd be better off without men or that men are inferior and deserve to be treated as such (both of which are opinions I'm sure are more common than some self-labelling feminists would like to admit to), one of which being a somewhat (appologies for invoking Godwin's law here) Nazi ideal and the other being a somewhat ironic reversing of what the feminist movement was originally trying to abolish.

Feminists of the world, I beseech you, sort yourselfs out and weed out these extremist nut-balls who drag down the otherwise noble and well intentioned ideas you stand for.
 

Hitokiri_Gensai

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sorry, i wont be a good overlord. I have a cruel streak in me. xD

well, before that all happens, China will become the dominant world power and we're all gonna be fucked anyhow so xD
 

Mallefunction

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As a female myself, I can say that there are PLENTY of utterly mindless past times my sex partakes in that are just as bad as men. Reality shows? Women tend to watch them more. Why should ANYONE care about the vapid interests of rich housewives or drunken douchebags? Dunno, but my sex seems to eat that shit up. Same with Soaps.

Then of course there is Twilight, Sex and the City, other stupid and totally pointless chick flicks and lit that rake in TONS of dough.

And there are women like me...who play video games all day long and then realize how much time I've wasted trying to gathering 50 pieces of a broken pot ALL so I could just have 100% at the end of the game. ^^;

So yeah, women aren't taking over anytime soon. I've met just as many stupid bitches as I have jackasses. In fact, I think I am much more critical of my own sex because I want us to rise above the expectations of a still sexist (albeit less so) society.
 

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CM156 said:
NeutralDrow said:
The answer to both questions is no. Considering the language of the article and the OP, I have trouble imagining how this could turn into something that's not utterly misguided, and something tells me at no point in the debate would come up just how the supposed ways men are being "subjugated" are very much feminist issues, as well.

Particularly men being held back from traditionally "feminine" pursuits due to supposedly impinging on their worth (implication: those pursuits are inherently lesser), while women are encouraged to drop such and pursue paths traditionally dominated by men exclusively (implication: women can be easily equal to men...they just have to act like them). The cultural issue one would hope would be at hand is more likely to get buried under stereotypes and empty rhetoric.

CM156 said:
Mmm, I wonder how that would be. The only fictional society that is really run by women (that I can think of at the moment) is Drow society.

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Well, fuck.
Oh, come on, we're not that bad!

...at least, those of us who've broken away from the Spider *****.

Eilistraee kyorl d'jal.
Harl xuil l' orbb elg'caress! Verve dro qu'ellar Barri?und!

In all honesty, I've always found Eilistraee to be a rather odd deity. At least in the forgotten realms setting.
Heh...aster zhah, Usstan flohlu Boccob. But when Greyhawk (and Points of Light, or whatever they're calling 4ed) lacks any but Lolth, and the rest of the racial pantheon is comprised entirely of assholes, one's options are limited...even for us Neutrals. ^^;

Still, you get naked, moonlit dance parties out of the deal. Especially if you're not in Forgotten Realms, where as I understand it, she's dead.
 

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NeutralDrow said:
CM156 said:
NeutralDrow said:
The answer to both questions is no. Considering the language of the article and the OP, I have trouble imagining how this could turn into something that's not utterly misguided, and something tells me at no point in the debate would come up just how the supposed ways men are being "subjugated" are very much feminist issues, as well.

Particularly men being held back from traditionally "feminine" pursuits due to supposedly impinging on their worth (implication: those pursuits are inherently lesser), while women are encouraged to drop such and pursue paths traditionally dominated by men exclusively (implication: women can be easily equal to men...they just have to act like them). The cultural issue one would hope would be at hand is more likely to get buried under stereotypes and empty rhetoric.

CM156 said:
Mmm, I wonder how that would be. The only fictional society that is really run by women (that I can think of at the moment) is Drow society.

...

Well, fuck.
Oh, come on, we're not that bad!

...at least, those of us who've broken away from the Spider *****.

Eilistraee kyorl d'jal.
Harl xuil l' orbb elg'caress! Verve dro qu'ellar Barri?und!

In all honesty, I've always found Eilistraee to be a rather odd deity. At least in the forgotten realms setting.
Heh...aster zhah, Usstan flohlu Boccob. But when Greyhawk (and Points of Light, or whatever they're calling 4ed) lacks any but Lolth, and the rest of the racial pantheon is comprised entirely of assholes, one's options are limited...even for us Neutrals. ^^;

Still, you get naked, moonlit dance parties out of the deal. Especially if you're not in Forgotten Realms, where as I understand it, she's dead.
She's only dead in 4.0. I use 3.5, so she's still living, along with Helm, Mystra, and Tyr. And Cyric is still running free. So I suppose it's a fair trade off.
 

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Some choice tidbits from the article:

Women now earn the majority of college degrees. Men play video games. Women thrive in information-age jobs. Men go to prison. Women hold families together. Men watch football. On Tuesday, Sept. 20, the Slate/Intelligence Squared U.S. live debate series will ask and answer a fundamental question about modern society: Are men finished?
If that article is not the biggest load of sexist bullshit I have seen in quite a long time, I'll go and eat my Real Deal Brazil hat. And I LIKE that hat.

I wish people would realize that men and women have different qualities that sometimes overlap and oftentimes compliment each other. We need to get off of this "Women are Gaia's angels / Men are violent pigs" kick. And for the record, I don't play fantasy football (or even follow sports) nor have I ever been to prison.
 

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I don't mean to sound cocksure (sorry, but I had to get that obvious pun out the way...), but I'd say these studies and articles are nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to feminism (I know the OP said not to say stuff like that... but the truth's the truth!).

More women may be getting proper educations these days, but there's still a horrendous lack gender equality, especially in the higher echelons of society. 9 of the top 10 richest people in the world are men. Few of the most powerful nations on Earth have ever had a female leader, off the top of my head, only Britain, Germany and India have had female executives. Almost all armed forces practice some form of gender discrimination.

Talk of women "taking over" is nothing more than fuel for the hate-machine that would rather have us all living back in the middle-ages...
 

ilspooner

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Well, if we do take over the world, I probably will abuse my power, and make people dance for my amusement. >:D When we take over, it's gonna be a hellva lot of fun.
 

winter2

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So you are saying the weird and funny smelling girl from one of my classes is going to be my overlord? GOOD ONE!! * SNORT *
 

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Daverson said:
I don't mean to sound cocksure (sorry, but I had to get that obvious pun out the way...), but I'd say these studies and articles are nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to feminism (I know the OP said not to say stuff like that... but the truth's the truth!).

More women may be getting proper educations these days, but there's still a horrendous lack gender equality, especially in the higher echelons of society. 9 of the top 10 richest people in the world are men. Few of the most powerful nations on Earth have ever had a female leader, off the top of my head, only Britain, Germany and India have had female executives. Almost all armed forces practice some form of gender discrimination.

Talk of women "taking over" is nothing more than fuel for the hate-machine that would rather have us all living back in the middle-ages...
^ to the richest people part.....well maybe they would of been more if they would have gotten to work on the computer before gates and jobs....
 

Vault101

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hahahaha this is rediculous...really why are we even discussing it?
Mallefunction said:
As a female myself, I can say that there are PLENTY of utterly mindless past times my sex partakes in that are just as bad as men. Reality shows? Women tend to watch them more. Why should ANYONE care about the vapid interests of rich housewives or drunken douchebags? Dunno, but my sex seems to eat that shit up. Same with Soaps.

Then of course there is Twilight, Sex and the City, other stupid and totally pointless chick flicks and lit that rake in TONS of dough.

And there are women like me...who play video games all day long and then realize how much time I've wasted trying to gathering 50 pieces of a broken pot ALL so I could just have 100% at the end of the game. ^^;

So yeah, women aren't taking over anytime soon. I've met just as many stupid bitches as I have jackasses. In fact, I think I am much more critical of my own sex because I want us to rise above the expectations of a still sexist (albeit less so) society.
yeah but at least you didnt lose any braincells going for 100% completion as opoased to reality shows and soaps
 

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Looks like I need to find a woman with a good job and be a house husband. Good thing I know how to cook. It'll give me more time to play video games, so this could be a good change.
 

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No men are not finished but I hope that this reversal will lead to some much needed change in gender perception in the US.

One major change is gender traits should not be watered down until each gender is homogenous but instead should be free for either gender to choose. Like men can stay home and raise the kids or just be a house husband, or a girl playing football and working on cars. I am a guy and I like to sew and don't consider myself any less of a man to do so.
 

Captain Ben

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I don't think a world where men have taken the undeniable submissive role will happen in our life times, simply because of the immense amount of change required for that to happen. The majority of all money would have to be turned over, and entire cultures would have to be reformed.
But that said, I assume the new Over-ladies would be kind to us. Men wouldn't be demoted to a slave class or anything, it would just be more like how it is today, where women are paid slightly less then men due to bias and assumption of ability.
Though it would be weird if say, 1960 years into the future men are enslaved.