Are people too hard on smokers?

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GraveeKing

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Everyone has downsides, but it's like they're -choosing- to have a downside to themselves. I think if we as a society weren't so harsh on smokers, it might continue more again. I mean nobody would stop smoking if we were just polite to them and ignored it completely. It's better you at least make sure people know they have a problem, or they'll not get anywhere in fixing themselves.
 

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GraveeKing said:
Everyone has downsides, but it's like they're -choosing- to have a downside to themselves. I think if we as a society weren't so harsh on smokers, it might continue more again. I mean nobody would stop smoking if we were just polite to them and ignored it completely. It's better you at least make sure people know they have a problem, or they'll not get anywhere in fixing themselves.
Do you walk up to every fat person out there and tell them about their life choices? Yes it is a bad habit, and I am damn well sure they know it. There are so many ads and such telling them how bad it is. They don't need a prick with their nose in the air yelling about their life choices to them.
 

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While I don't have anything against smokers, I do have a pretty hyperactive airway.

As a kid, There were multiple occasions when standing around a smoker sent me to the hospital. My symptoms now aren't nearly as severe as they were then, but I strongly believe the main difference between a person smoking and a person eating fast food or drinking alcohol is that cigarette smoke effects the people around the smoker, subjecting them to the same symptoms they are inflicting on themselves. I personally don't think this is fair... At least not when they're in a closed area.

People shouldn't hate smokers as people, But I don't think they should be treated as misunderstood martyrs, either, as if they don't have a choice to stop doing it.

I see that people refer to smoking as a "lifestyle" when it isn't. A lifestyle is how someone spends their time to interact with the world around them, possibly to reach some sort of goal, not any specific action they use to occupy this time.

A Boxer getting up every morning to begin their training is a lifestyle.

An artist working to hard perfect their craft is a lifestyle.

A person taking care of their children, making the greatest effort possible to raise them properly is a lifestyle.

Smoking, however, is simply a habit, like twiddling your thumbs, or biting your nails. You take out a cigarette, light it, stick it in your mouth and inhale. That is all.
 

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GreatTeacherCAW said:
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I smoke a pack a day. I also don't pay attention to anyone telling me to stop, so... problem solved. Sure, we are treated with way too much disrespect, but I just ignore it. Well, sometimes. If anyone does that fucking fake cough thing when they are 10 feet away from me, I will run up to them and blow smoke in their face so they can actually cough. I think it is deserved. Eye for an eye kind of thing, innit?
Except people don't actually do that.

I guess the smoke makes you guys delusional too, huh.
Are you kidding? People do that. Hell, some guy did it last week. I'm not saying that it is common, but I am saying that it does happen. If the smoke made me delusional, it would make me think your post was clever.
I'm not trying to be clever. How do you know if someone's fake-coughing?
They over do it, stare straight at you, and mumble something about smoking. That is when I know.
You are aware that Cigarette smoke causes some(a lot) people to cough, right?

The only way you would know that they overdo it is if you know about their regular coughing habits. You're probably just making them cough.
 

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well, there are very few traits about other people that can give ME cancer. if a person is that committed to giving him/herself cancer, i'd rather not get attached. add in the personal risk of serious illness just from being around this person, i tend to not even associate with smokers as much as possible. i made an exception once, and maybe it's not right that the way that particular person hurt me has prejudiced me towards smokers even more, but that's how it is.
 

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Blablahb said:
Fanta Grape said:
"I don't know why people smoke."

A common phrase uttered by the befuddled outsider with a simple answer. Because it makes them feel good. We don't shun people for having eating fast food but we do shun this sort of behaviour? Ridiculous. As long as it doesn't affect anyone else, I'm fine with it.
Hold on, that's not a valid comparison. Smoking doesn't make you feel good. Once you're addicted, not smoking makes you feel bad and agitated, and smoking stops that momentarily.

That's quite different from junkfood, which triggers some chemical reactions that make us feel a little happier. It's not like when you eat a hamburger, the next day you'll feel bad if you don't eat a hamburger.
i will have to disagree with that. some people can, and some are addicted to fast food. it's not as common as smoking or as strong but it's there. I work at a fast food joint, i get free meals. I try to stop eating it, but sometimes i just crave it. I feel so much better after eating the fast food. its stronger in some people then it is in other. same with smoking, i tried it, its gross. so it's not the same, but its very similar
 

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To the second, just because they are being rude doesn't mean you have to be a complete asshole.
As long as it's remembered that courtesy goes both ways, and just as some smokers are inconsiderate assholes, some non-smokers are whiny pricks. If everyone was more considerate and tolerant, non-smokers wouldn't have to walk through clouds of foul-smelling smoke and smokers wouldn't have to feel like social pariahs.
 

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As a smoker, I've been in this debate far too often. A few points;

1) If you dislike smoking so much, don't go to the one place on the planet where it's still allowed.
Most smokers aren't really bothered by the fact that they have to sit/stand in designated smoking areas and don't have a problem putting up with such restrictions. Smoking has been banned just about anywhere, and we've adapted to that, don't come to the one square foot where I'm forced to go to light up and tell me it's bothering you.

If your friends are smokers, they should understand that smoking bothers you. They won't mind going to non-smoking bars or stepping outside at their/your home if they know you can't stand their habit. If they refuse to take your feelings into account, maybe they're not such good friends after all.

2) With that in mind, A little kindness goes a long way.
I'd never be a dick about my habit, I don't smoke near children, sick people or (non-smoking) old people, and I don't mind moving a couple of feet if you were to politely ask.
Two problems in that concept;
-Asking 'politely' usually boils down to "fuck off with your disgusting habit" in which case I'm less inclined to be of service.
-Not every smoker shares my opinion on this. There will always be jerks, but they would otherwise be bothering you with loud music or anything else.

Now I know loud music isn't exactly known to cause cancer, but judging all smokers simply because there's a few annoying ones is the same as saying "all gamers are annoying, screaming, swearing kids" based on a few bad online experiences.
Cigarettes have many negative effects, turning you into a complete douche isn't one of them.

3) Smoking isn't the only thing that kills.
I know exhaust fumes have been mentioned, and everyone knows they're much worse than second-hand smoke. We never see the 'go drive your car somewhere else' debate popping up though.
Just think about how many people will inhale the fumes of your (or your mom's) car while you're driving around the block for groceries before you start complaining about the guy standing near the entrance of the store smoking a cigarette. He probably got more crap in his lungs from your car than you got from his cigarette.

4) Smoking is the perfect scapegoat.
Fastfood, coca-cola, coffee, even eating too much meat or getting too many vitamins are bad for your health. Your government just doesn't put a ban on those things because everyone likes them too much and it would destroy a substantial part of the economy if they did.
Smoking is an easy scapegoat since it's a 'voluntary' action that doesn't benefit you in any way and can be harmful for those around you rather than just yourself.

Imagine your country restricting the use of your car to the outskirts of town, or banning it altogether.
Imagine any unhealthy food and drinks being banned, or rationed to two servings per month.
Imagine all factories that pollute even the slightest bit being forced to shut down production.
Imagine the outrage it would cause and the effect it would have on your country's economy.

Smoking is widely known and accepted to be harmful. It's much easier for politicians to 'bash on smoking a bit more' than it is to try and tackle a more sensitive issue, like banning sweaty fat people with some leftover Big Mac on their chin from the subway because they take up two seats.

TL;DR
-Smoking kills, smells etc. We know, stop telling us. Also, stop telling me to quit, I don't tell you what to do with your life either.
-Try telling someone politely that their habit is bugging you before going mental over it, if they still refuse to cooperate, you're perfectly justified kicking their teeth in.
-Try looking at some other bad habits for a change, the whole anti-smoking crusade is getting old.

/rant, I need a cigarette.
 

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Devornine said:
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Enough said
There are only a few ep's of Bullshit! that get on my nerves and that's one of them.
"The US Surgeon General, in his 2006 report, estimated that living or working in a place where smoking is permitted increases the non-smokers' risk of developing heart disease by 25?30% and lung cancer by 20?30%."

"in 2004, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) of the World Health Organization (WHO) reviewed all significant published evidence related to tobacco smoking and cancer. It concluded:
These meta-analyses show that there is a statistically significant and consistent association between lung cancer risk in spouses of smokers and exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke from the spouse who smokes. The excess risk is of the order of 20% for women and 30% for men and remains after controlling for some potential sources of bias and confounding."

There's ton's of this shit that you can find through the citations on wikipedia.
 

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No I don't think people in general are too hard on smokers. There may be some who go overboard, like criticizing the qualities of people who smoke and such. However consider the facts why people don't like to be around those who smoke.

The biggest one for me (and it seems others) is that people who do not smoke generally find the smell displeasing. Not the smell of the cigarette burning itself, but the stale smell left by smoke residue on you and that around you from smoking. Unless you wash your cloths and take a shower after every cigarette, chances are you smell. People just don't like being around people who smell bad to them.

It is unhealthy to be around someone while they are smoking. Not really a good reason avoid someone who smokes completely as you can typically avoid them while they are smoking, but there are times I get stuck in a vehicle of someone who smokes and have to ask them to roll the window down. Even then you still inhale some. Also never try to take a road trip with a smoker in a vehicle belonging to someone who doesn't allow smoking in the vehicle. You either have to knock the person out or make unnecessary stops.

A lot of smokers litter the butts. Not all smokers mind you, but the fact that cigarette butts can be found almost everywhere mankind typically walks is evidence enough of this. However, this is more of a human tendency than solely those who smoke as you can find litter in all those places as well.

Many are inconsiderate and smoke in public areas. Its dam near impossible to be near any major bus stop and not see someone smoking despite it being against the law. Arguments of exhaust fumes being more unhealthy are moot point when you are on a walkway, doorway, or any place where any human would normally wish to traverse. Cars typically aren't. Also the toxicity of exhaust fumes are attributed to smothering gasses, not carcinogens/mutagens like that from a cigarette.

For the last part of this wall of text I would like to address all those who state things like "I can't smoke anywhere anymore" or "I smoke into someones face for coughing at me". To the first, in no way is anyone obligated to give you a place to smoke. The government is obligated to act on the will of the people and the people said I'm sick of having to sit/be around people who smoke. Also smoking in public establishments being illegal (even if the owner doesn't mind) is a direct result of it being a working hazard. Its the same reason we don't people work in any other unnecessarily hazardous condition even if they want to. That is putting it simply but tough live with it. To the second, just because they are being rude doesn't mean you have to be a complete asshole. Also chances are you are smoking in an area were it is illegal to smoke and are blocking a walkway. Don't just consider that no one is around you while you smoke, consider that no body will want to go where you are while you smoke.
Very well said. I agree that some people will get a little overboard with the anti-smoking stuff, but realistically this is a turning in public opinion against smoking when for so long it was for it and non-smokers got the shitty treatment, and as a society we'll all be better off when the habit finally dies off completely.

That said, I want to emphasize that part in the middle. For all the non-smoking measures taken over the past few decades, why is it still acceptable for smokers to simply toss their butts away on the ground where ever they please? Those things aren't exactly biodegradable and while I won't say all smokers do it there's certainly a lot more smoke butts littering the ground than there are say fast food wrappers. It's part of the olde smoking culture to flick the butt away when you're doing, but as I alluded to above it's not like you'd do the same with a burger wrapper so I don't know why it doesn't get cracked down on more. Only real saving grace here is there aren't nearly as many smokers as their used to be.
 

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I don't hate smokers but i generally dislike smokers who are proud of their smelly and money wasting habit. Shoot I understand why people smoke weed and its to feel good.( I'm against smoking weed but I understand why people do it.) While smoking you don't get anything besides being relived of stress which is caused by withdrawal by not smoking.

I pity those who are addicted and want to get off but can't.

I dislike those who pridefull of their habit and see that nothing is wrong with their bodies and their wallets.


Also they just smell bad
 

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Blablahb said:
Fanta Grape said:
"I don't know why people smoke."

A common phrase uttered by the befuddled outsider with a simple answer. Because it makes them feel good. We don't shun people for having eating fast food but we do shun this sort of behaviour? Ridiculous. As long as it doesn't affect anyone else, I'm fine with it.
Hold on, that's not a valid comparison. Smoking doesn't make you feel good. Once you're addicted, not smoking makes you feel bad and agitated, and smoking stops that momentarily.

That's quite different from junkfood, which triggers some chemical reactions that make us feel a little happier. It's not like when you eat a hamburger, the next day you'll feel bad if you don't eat a hamburger.
addictions treat everyone differently.

i smoke... and that is actually pushing the definition of "smoke"

i go weeks and months without smoking, i have MAYBE three a day and i RARELY smoke anywhere near non-smokers.

when i smoke more than that, i feel bad, when i smoke, i feel less agitated, i feel like something is right. does that mean that i never feel that way without one? no and neither do all smokers.

but yes, GENERALLY, the more you smoke, the more you have to smoke to feel better, but if i have a bad goddamn day, i am damn well gonna ask for a cigarette... i may also have a gin and tonic or two, or three, or however many to make me feel tipsy or drunk... i may also eat something TERRIBLE for me, or play a video game or surf the web...

addictions are not always exactly the same for every person who uses or is addicted to an addicting substance.
 

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I am friends with a lot of smokers, so I would be lying if I said I didn't like them. However, I know people (in my family no-less) that have died to cigarette induced lung cancer and I really do not see why people would subject themselves to such a dangerous and addictive practice. I don't agree with the act, but I don't dislike anyone for doing it... though I do always make sure to state my disapproval when they buy that next pack after saying, "I am definitely quitting this time."

Also, I would never date a smoker. Why? I hate any kind of smoke (makes my nose stuffy and such) and I hate the smell... chances are, I am not going to want to be around you as much as a boyfriend should. Plus, I have kissed a smoker before. No thanks.
 

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Fluffles said:
Devornine said:
SNIP
Enough said
There are only a few ep's of Bullshit! that get on my nerves and that's one of them.
"The US Surgeon General, in his 2006 report, estimated that living or working in a place where smoking is permitted increases the non-smokers' risk of developing heart disease by 25?30% and lung cancer by 20?30%."

"in 2004, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) of the World Health Organization (WHO) reviewed all significant published evidence related to tobacco smoking and cancer. It concluded:
These meta-analyses show that there is a statistically significant and consistent association between lung cancer risk in spouses of smokers and exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke from the spouse who smokes. The excess risk is of the order of 20% for women and 30% for men and remains after controlling for some potential sources of bias and confounding."

There's ton's of this shit that you can find through the citations on wikipedia.
You DO realise that you can find just as many studies claiming that the risks of exposure to secondhand smoke are negligible from the pro-smoking funded groups as you can studies stating that secondhand smoke is deadly from the anti-smoking groups, right?

Just saying, the studies are pretty statistically non-conclusive either way.
 

FuktLogik

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They fucking stink, and they light up every 10 minutes so they can continue stinking. It's like hanging out with homeless people with shitty hygiene. The only smokers I can stand to be around is pipe smokers and pot smokers, because I like the smell of pot, and pipes don't stink as bad as cigs.
 

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Why does anyone even start smoking in the first place? To look cool? Don't give in to peer pressure. It doesn't look cool, it looks disgusting. To get over depression? There's better ways than damaging yourself and people around you...and smelling awful.
 

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As a smoker yes people are too hard on us. Also yes we know what it's doing, stop telling us, and New York's recent law where they're putting graphic pictures on ciggarette packages is just cruel. We know it causes cancer, we know it's bad for our lungs, but either I don't smoke and I'm miserable or I do smoke and I feel good. I was miserable before I started, it made me feel good enough to make it through my day. 1 or 2 ciggarettes per day or 1 cigar every other day is good enough for me to keep living.

Me and my pastor smoked 4 and a half hours on our drive to Myrtle Beach in South Carolina, we're not bothered by all this anti-smoking propaganda.
 

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Honestly I say, I try to avoid smoking Smokers as much as possible. When I'm around smokes or smell smoke, I hold my breath until I'm far enough away from it to not breathe it in. I just can't stand it at all, I'll cough and cough and cough. I avoid cigarettes and people smoking them as much as possible.

I do have friends who smoke, and they're courteous enough to not smoke around me.

Are people too hard on smokers? Maybe.

Are people too hard on cigarettes? Hell no.