Are people too hard on smokers?
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Although I'm an advocate of the pro-weed movement, the main issue is that I can still adequately perform my job functions on nicotine. There's no way I'd be able to maintain my employment on either weed or heightened levels of alcohol.xXAsherahXx said:
I don't care if smokers want to smoke. I care when they do it around people who don't want them to and think it is their right to smoke where ever they want. Sorry but I like to avoid breathing in toxins. The other day I saw a woman with two children out walking, one in a stroller, and one walking along side her, maybe no more than 4 years old. She was smoking while walking them....
Secondhand smoke causes other kinds of diseases and deaths
Secondhand smoke can cause harm in many ways. In the United States alone, each year it is responsible for:
An estimated 46,000 deaths from heart disease in people who are currently non-smokers
About 3,400 lung cancer deaths as a result of breathing secondhand smoke
Other breathing problems in non-smokers, including coughing, mucus, chest discomfort, and reduced lung function
50,000 to 300,000 lung infections (such as pneumonia and bronchitis) in children younger than 18 months of age, which result in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations annually
Increases in the number and severity of asthma attacks in about 200,000 to 1 million children who have asthma
More than 750,000 middle ear infections in children
Pregnant women exposed to secondhand smoke are also at increased risk of having low birth- weight babies.
Secondhand smoke kills children and adults who don't smoke, and makes others sick (Surgeon General's report)
The 2006 US Surgeon General's report reached some important conclusions:
Secondhand smoke causes premature death and disease in children and in adults who do not smoke.
Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, and more severe asthma. Smoking by parents causes breathing (respiratory) symptoms and slows lung growth in their children.
Secondhand smoke immediately affects the heart and blood circulation in a harmful way. Over a longer time it also causes heart disease and lung cancer.
The scientific evidence shows that there is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke.
Many millions of Americans, both children and adults, are still exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes and workplaces despite a great deal of progress in tobacco control.
The only way to fully protect non-smokers from exposure to secondhand smoke indoors is to prevent all smoking in that indoor space or building. Separating smokers from non-smokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot keep non-smokers from being exposed to secondhand smoke.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke
Go read about how you poison other people before you complain about people who object to smoking.
Secondhand smoke causes other kinds of diseases and deaths
Secondhand smoke can cause harm in many ways. In the United States alone, each year it is responsible for:
An estimated 46,000 deaths from heart disease in people who are currently non-smokers
About 3,400 lung cancer deaths as a result of breathing secondhand smoke
Other breathing problems in non-smokers, including coughing, mucus, chest discomfort, and reduced lung function
50,000 to 300,000 lung infections (such as pneumonia and bronchitis) in children younger than 18 months of age, which result in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations annually
Increases in the number and severity of asthma attacks in about 200,000 to 1 million children who have asthma
More than 750,000 middle ear infections in children
Pregnant women exposed to secondhand smoke are also at increased risk of having low birth- weight babies.
Secondhand smoke kills children and adults who don't smoke, and makes others sick (Surgeon General's report)
The 2006 US Surgeon General's report reached some important conclusions:
Secondhand smoke causes premature death and disease in children and in adults who do not smoke.
Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, and more severe asthma. Smoking by parents causes breathing (respiratory) symptoms and slows lung growth in their children.
Secondhand smoke immediately affects the heart and blood circulation in a harmful way. Over a longer time it also causes heart disease and lung cancer.
The scientific evidence shows that there is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke.
Many millions of Americans, both children and adults, are still exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes and workplaces despite a great deal of progress in tobacco control.
The only way to fully protect non-smokers from exposure to secondhand smoke indoors is to prevent all smoking in that indoor space or building. Separating smokers from non-smokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot keep non-smokers from being exposed to secondhand smoke.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke
Go read about how you poison other people before you complain about people who object to smoking.
I'm not against smokers; if they want to spend their money on poison that's their decision. And everyone thinks they can get rid of smokers by making new laws where you can't smoke anywhere or bringing cigarette prices up. If you want to get rid of the problem entirely, then illegalize cigarettes!!!
Then again, that option is very illogical. Too many people are addicted and companies don't want to stop earning money.
Then again, that option is very illogical. Too many people are addicted and companies don't want to stop earning money.
Smokers are treated as a social leper.
I couldn't count the times I've been told to "get away" from somebody because I smoked a hour ago and am currently standing next to them. Yes. The world is too harsh on smokers but there is a way to get points across without being rude about it.
I couldn't count the times I've been told to "get away" from somebody because I smoked a hour ago and am currently standing next to them. Yes. The world is too harsh on smokers but there is a way to get points across without being rude about it.
They have a chemical addiction and most of the time have no wish to quit despite it being horrible to your health (and your charisma imo xD), although if these people wish to die like this then whatever, natural selection.The Red Bastard said:
What bothers me is I have a good friend that I was roomates to recently became a single father, he doesn't make alot of money and what he does have goes to his children, he's barely scraping by with child support, rent, food ect. But he will not refuse to quit smoking 1 pack a day, despite how much more his life will improve, and it infuriates me.
Hmm, no, these arguments don't hold any weight at all.Arcane Azmadi said:
Your direct complaint is the consideration value of others who smoke. How considerate or how inconsiderate they are is not dependent on weather they smoke or not, nor does having a smoke equate to having a low consideration of others.
I see these logical fallacies happening quite a bit and it's unfortunate, but that's how it is I guess.
What I mean is: If someone who is supposedly a representative for a group (in this case smokers) does something inconsiderate, others may wonder "are all smokers actually that inconsiderate?" To make them think that it was out of the ordinary, they would have to see a few smokers being considerate. Should they come across more than one smoker that is doing the wrong thing, well, it then takes quite a lot of smokers doing the right thing to make them decide that those two smokers are out of the ordinary or unusual, rather than 'every smoker is inconsiderate.'
That's my problem with cigarettes, you don't get any value from them. One might as well smoke pot. A small buzz from cigarettes isn't worth it to me. No one should be smoking or drinking anything on the job to begin with in my opinion, though.mojodamm said:
My aunt just got diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. My great grandmother's health declined greatly due to COPD. My step-father is on oxygen because of his COPD. My mother, grandmother, both my brothers, my sister, my cousins, and my uncle all smoke. Do I worry about their health? Yes. Do I wish that they would quit? Yes.
But would I prefer them smoking over drunk? Hell yes. Everyone has something that helps get them through the day. Everyone has some kind of addiction. We're all dying. From the moment we're born, we're doing stuff to slowly kill us. Hell some people say that breathing in the oxygen that keeps us alive is also slowly killing us. Everyone needs water, but drink too much and you can still kill yourself. So yes, my family is speeding their death probably, but they're dying anyways, if cigarettes are their addiction, if that's what they need to cope with life, then who am I to shun them?
And for anyone that says that they need to channel their feelings into more healthy things...well I've never met a mentally "healthy" person that I liked.
But would I prefer them smoking over drunk? Hell yes. Everyone has something that helps get them through the day. Everyone has some kind of addiction. We're all dying. From the moment we're born, we're doing stuff to slowly kill us. Hell some people say that breathing in the oxygen that keeps us alive is also slowly killing us. Everyone needs water, but drink too much and you can still kill yourself. So yes, my family is speeding their death probably, but they're dying anyways, if cigarettes are their addiction, if that's what they need to cope with life, then who am I to shun them?
And for anyone that says that they need to channel their feelings into more healthy things...well I've never met a mentally "healthy" person that I liked.
Well, I wouldn't befriend someone who oversmokes, because I'm allergic to something in cigarette smoke (I think). Combine with asthma, and you get a dead Lacktheknack!
Do I hate smokers? No. I just avoid them when they smoke. And if they oversmoke, I don't let them breathe on me.
Do I hate smokers? No. I just avoid them when they smoke. And if they oversmoke, I don't let them breathe on me.
yes, I can't smoke a cigar anywhere anymore and it's very upsetting. there's only one location left for pubs in town where you can still smoke and there's one place in a city 4 hrs away that i visit regularly.
pathetic, and even worse are those ads saying that 'people put their lives at risk when they go to work everyday' ... fuck off. most people who work at a smoking establishment smoke anyway
i know that doesn't cover everyone, but pretty damn close.
pathetic, and even worse are those ads saying that 'people put their lives at risk when they go to work everyday' ... fuck off. most people who work at a smoking establishment smoke anyway
i know that doesn't cover everyone, but pretty damn close.
Hmm.. If you really do that, then you aren't the nicest person. If someone coughs from ten feet away, they could probably be coughing from something else, or they really can't stand the smell of smoke, even at ten feet. The reason most people I know act hatefully towards smokers is because of the reputation given to smokers, due to people who blow smoke into people's faces.GreatTeacherCAW said:
