Are Reboots best things happen in this generation?

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

Hello,

so my dear friends, today i was thinking about reboots and things come to my mind that i need to analys reboots of this generation. then i find out reboots are indeed best thing happen to this generation. not sequels or not new ip but reboots of old ips.

now lets talk about it

Doom: Its a Reboot of 1993 game. turn out the greatest FPS since Stalker and become the best reboot ever in gaming history. it took old school shooter and implent it with modern design thus turn into best of both. and become one of the GOAT

Prey: I dont know if i can say its reboot or new ip. or it can be both. but arkane took mediocre shooter of early last gen and turn it into amazing system shock clone. its more system shock successor than bioshock could ever dream. fantastic game overall. GOTY 2017 easily

Hitman: After absolution. there was no hope for Hitman. it was series that many think its dead. than it came from dead. turn out to be best stealth game since chaos theory/blood money circa. second best game of this gen and 2016 too.

Shadow warrior: Another fantastic reboot of 90s shooter that made even better. its not doom but its a great shooter. shame that cant say same about its mediocre borderland style sequel

System shock: Well its remake but developer consider it more of reboot. and game looks absolutely amazing in every single way. even better than Prey. this game will keep same level design of ancient system shock game but with modern controls and gameplay. with deep and complex level design etc. if anything, this can be GOTY next year.

then theres tomb raider which i absolutely despise but others like. now splinter cell is also rumor to be reboot and i dont see it can be worse than conviction and blacklist. its hard for any game to be worse than them.

so do you think reboots are best thing happen in this generation?

discuss

 

[Bad Jim]

Unfortunately it seems they are. There's no hope for us anymore.

 

[Zhukov]

Doom was meh. Got too bored to even finish it.

Prey was boring. They tried to rip off Bioshock except instead of making a good game they just filled it with boring respawning blob monsters.

Hitman was actually pretty good, but failed so hard that the developer and IP got sold off.

Shadow Warrior was okay, if unremarkable. The sequel sucked. They tried to smear Borderlands all over it. Because apparently what a run-and-gun shooter needs is boring randomized loot.

System Shock doesn't "look" anything dude. We've seen like half a piece of crappy concept art. Not that that'll stop you from frantically shilling for it. Personally, I predict it being almost as good and successful as Quantum Break. Anyone remember when that was going to be GREATEST GAME EVER GOTY GOTY GOTY!!?

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

Doom was meh. Got too bored to even finish it.

Prey was boring. They tried to rip off Bioshock except instead of making a good game they just filled it with boring respawning blob monsters.

Hitman was actually pretty good, but failed so hard that the developer and IP got sold off.

actually hitman did get success after it become independant. it failed because of episodic structure.

Prey was better than bioshock in ever single way. bioshock wish it could be as good as prey.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

I'm thinking of deleting Prey after just an hour.

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how much you played? its a pretty great game. it does have mediocre combat but level design are top notch. it remind me of Half life.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Raising infertility rates are about the best thing to happen this generation. That and GRAVITATIONAL WAVES FROM BLACK HOLES COLLIDING!!!

Please maintain your distance and do not feed the black holes. Especially during moments of intimacy.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Doom
Get locked in a room, shoot all monsters, proceed to next room. Rinse and repeat. It feels like they looked at OG Doom and the only lesson they learned is 'shoot mobs in an arena', despite the original knew to mix things up once in a while. Many of the added modern mechanics run directly counter to the old school sensibilities. Like using the chainsaw to turn enemies into an ammo pi?ata, making having to tackle encounters based on weapon and ammo availability largely moot. Or the upgrade that lets you see secrets on the map.

Prey
Wants to be System Shock. Really badly. So much so, that it forgot to be meaningfully different in any way or improve on anything. Sure, it has fancier visuals and modern controls/UI, but aside from that I couldn't help but get bored and think to myself "I already played this. 17 years ago." Except that game kept me more engaged with its characters and story.

Shadow Warrior
It's ok. Rather suffers from the same arena-to-arena structure that Doom has, but otherwise its fairly inoffensive.

 

[CritialGaming]

Fuck no! Remasters and reboots are great filler for the most part, and can be good for players who missed the games the first time around. Kingdom Hearts remasters on PS4 for me are great because I never got around to those games across all the random systems they came out on. So having them all on a single system is fantasic.

But there has been a shit ton of Original content this generation that have been fantastic. The following in no particular order:

Horizon: Zero Dawn
Persona 5
The Witcher 3
Bloodborne
Nioh
Final Fantasy XV
Forza Horizon 3
World of Final Fantasy
Yakuza Zero

on and on and on.

This generation has been great, despite a slow start we are in full motion now and more and more good shit will be coming.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

Prey
Wants to be System Shock. Really badly. So much so, that it forgot to be meaningfully different in any way or improve on anything. Sure, it has fancier visuals and modern controls/UI, but aside from that I couldn't help but get bored and think to myself "I already played this. 17 years ago." Except that game kept me more engaged with its characters and story.

so developer should release generic corridor cinematic shooters or boring open world games over and over again??

there has never been a game like Prey since 1999. bioshock was the one that try to be system shock but failed at being. end up dumbed down version.

 

[Jamash]

Reboots in any generation can be good if handled correctly.

I think the true masters of the reboot are Rockstar with their GTA series. Every time there's a significant advancement in hardware and console generations, they reboot GTA with a new universe/era.

First was the 2D Universe (GTA, GTA London & GTA 2) in the 5th gen, then they rebooted it with the 3D Universe (GTA III, GTA VC & GTA SA) for the 6th gen, followed by the HD Universe (GTA IV & V) for the 7th gen.

It gets a little bit fuzzy with the 8th gen and the remaster GTA V, but after this mid-gen hardware revision, you can bet that for the next GTA game, Rockstar will take full advantage of the new hardware and resources available to them.

Reboots may not be everyone's cup of tea, but the numbers don't lie and the GTA series in all its iterations and reboots has consistently been on of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful video game series of all time, so they must be doing something right if they keep on winning generation after generation, amongst both critics and consumers alike the world over, with what is essentially the same game rebooted again and again.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

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so developer should release generic corridor cinematic shooters or boring open world games over and over again??

I didn't say anything to that effect and you know it. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[CaitSeith]

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so developer should release generic corridor cinematic shooters or boring open world games over and over again??

I didn't say anything to that effect and you know it. Don't put words in my mouth.

Shh! Don't tell him there are more types of games other than those. I don't think his mind would be able to take it...

 

[Rip Van Rabbit]

Let's take a look at this list of games that I totally, absolutely, have not heard repeated ad nauseam by the OP in very samey threads.

- Doom 2016:

A modern reboot rehash of a classic franchise with a new coat of paint, an upgrade system and punchy weapons with secondary firing modes (Something I miss from arena shooters). Sounds good so far. You hit your first room of enemies, kill everything until the doors open, maybe duck into a side corridor for a collectible, proceed --- well done. The gameplay loop fails to evolve from something the developers already managed 20 years prior. --- There is a good game here. Don't get me wrong. I'm just disappointed that Doom couldn't innovate further. Say what you will about Doom 3, but it tried something different while still retaining its identity. You have the formula and the tech, don't add minor tweaks to an old foundation -- experiment!

- Prey:

I get the System Shock inspiration, I really do. But your inspiration should not eclipse your own identity. Prey didn't feel like something new. It felt like a knock-off that might tide one over until a System Shock sequel arrives. The less said about the poor excuse for the enemy designs, the better.
Bioshock wore its inspiration well yet still retained its own identity.

- Hitman:

Pretty fantastic. Too bad the game was carved into pieces and all collectibles/alternative starting points/upgrades/fucking scoreboard and mission rating were locked server-side. Let's say you bought the entire product, all bits and bobs included, you were locked out of a good chunk of the game's replay value if you were offline.

- Shadow Warrior:

I thought the first Shadow Warrior was boring, weightless shooter with a piss-poor story. But the sequel managed to make the bullet sponges even spongier. Let's throw Borderlands into the mix! (Why?) Screw interesting encounters or level design, people just wanna shoot the gunz, right!? And fuck the inventory management.

- System shock 2018:

An unreleased game is not GOTY material. It doesn't qualify for anything until it's released in it's entirety.

 

[DefunctTheory]

I'm glad to see so many people treat Doom 2016 as something other than the greatest game of all time. That was really getting tiresome.

I actually found the game kind of depressing. Besides that stupid tower climb, it was basically as good an arena shooter as you can make, and yet it was still kind of 'eh.' It aced just about everything, but all that really did was reveal the flaws in the genre as a whole. Apparently there was a very good reason that kind of game fell out of favor.

As for the rest of them... probably wont pick up Prey until its sub-20 bucks, the new Hitman is just more Hitman from what I can tell, System Shock is an unreleased game that has a long way to go before it can prove itself (It's also not a reboot), and Tomb Raider was pretty good. Kind of more of the same gameplay wise, but it was fun.

Shadow Warrior was... unpleasant. Got a copy for free and I can't bring myself to play it further than the first couple of missions.

 

[Squilookle]

If by 'best thing to happen this generation' you mean 'are most likely to receive funding this generation' then the answer is... yes.

But if Syndicate, The Bureau, Sonic, Doom 3, SimCity, Medal of Honor, Goldeneye, Thief, and especially the utterly abysmally scummy Star Wars Battlefront games from EA are anything to go by, they are simultaneously the absolute worst thing happening this generation. Games like Enemy Unknown and Wolfenstein might be showing us how a reboot can be done right, but those games are needles in a veritable reboot haystack of utter crap out there.

 

[jademunky]

Prey was better than bioshock in ever single way. bioshock wish it could be as good as prey.

Wait, what? I own both bioshock and prey and while prey could be said to be a bit more faithful to that system shock II "play it your way" attitude, bioshock is just so much better a gaming experience.

Firstly, the combat is actually fun and varied, you keep getting new abilities to try and experiment with, they work in conjunction with one-another, you can shoot bees out your hand! and you fight something besides stupid blob monsters.

The lore is way better where it's an exploration of an underwater city which becomes a critique of objectivism which eventually becomes a deconstruction of the illusion of choice in linear narrative games. All Prey has is "well, scientists done fucked up"

 

[Chewster]

No. Almost all of them are terrible. It's usually terrible when films do it and it's usually terrible when games do it.

EDIT: And the best thing of this generation? Really? The BEST thing? With the rise of actually functional VR, indie games, digital distribution etc. the best thing is reboots? Ffs.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

I'm glad to see so many people treat Doom 2016 as something other than the greatest game of all time. That was really getting tiresome.

I actually found the game kind of depressing. Besides that stupid tower climb, it was basically as good an arena shooter as you can make, and yet it was still kind of 'eh.' It aced just about everything, but all that really did was reveal the flaws in the genre as a whole. Apparently there was a very good reason that kind of game fell out of favor.

I never really got that impression. Not around here, at least. During the initial honeymoon period right after release? Sure, but it didn't take long before people started noticing and pointing out the cracks.

And yes, I can see why you'd find it depressing. It's a game that does a good many things right, yet somehow managed not to learn any meaningful lessons from its source material, and in some respects, actually unlearnt some.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

LMAO at reboots being the best games this generation. Doom being the GOAT is even more hilarious, it's no Michael Jordan.

Prey is an Arkane game that Bethesda called Prey because they felt stupid about buying the license I guess. Plus, Arkane's Dishonoreds are better. One bad Hitman game and the new Hitman is a reboot? It's just more Hitman that everyone knew was good. Shadow Warrior overstays its welcome with levels that drag on forever.

There's loads of better games this gen than reboots...
-Divinity Original Sin series; a return to REAL RPGs.
-Horizon Zero Dawn; how to make a good open world game.
-Shadow Tactics & Invisible Inc.; the best stealth games in a long time.
-The Last Guardian; just as good as ICO and Shadow of the Colossus.

Prey was better than bioshock in ever single way. bioshock wish it could be as good as prey.

Wait, what? I own both bioshock and prey and while prey could be said to be a bit more faithful to that system shock II "play it your way" attitude, bioshock is just so much better a gaming experience.

Firstly, the combat is actually fun and varied, you keep getting new abilities to try and experiment with, they work in conjunction with one-another, you can shoot bees out your hand! and you fight something besides stupid blob monsters.

The lore is way better where it's an exploration of an underwater city which becomes a critique of objectivism which eventually becomes a deconstruction of the illusion of choice in linear narrative games. All Prey has is "well, scientists done fucked up"

I like a lot about Bioshock but it's such an uneven experience like how it gives up on its horror aspects quite early for some reason and how sidequest-y the middle of the game feels. MGS2 did what Bioshock did better and a generation before it. Plus, Bioshock's actual plot (stripping away the objectivism and deconstuction) could be the worst assassination plot ever.