Are The Old Republic's Sith In the Right?

[NIHILHATE]

Man, I've been saying exactly this for fucking years. By nature I'm a nice person and I (usually) do the right thing, blah blah blah, but I think the Sith have got it sussed. I mean, you get occaisional wanker Sith, like The Emperor, destroying countless lives for personal gain, and Malak, blowing up a whole planet just so he could get it up, like you get cool Jedi (Yoda), but ultimately the Sith are the compassionate ones. I've always said "The only thing more powerful than Hate, is Love." And both are tools of The Dark Side.

 

[JediMB]

or you can be a Jedi using the Dark Side to get the job done no matter the cost, like the Grey Jedi.

That's not what a Grey Jedi is. A Grey Jedi is a Light Side Force-user with Jedi training that is no longer part of the Jedi Order.

If you're using the Dark Side, you're a Dark Jedi, Fallen Jedi, Sith, or whatever else you want to call it.

The Light Side is good and natural, and the Dark Side is evil and corrupted. That's how the Star Wars universe is set up. This doesn't, however, mean that everyone playing for the Empire is evil, or that everyone playing for the Republic is good.

 

[Raithnor]

Some of the recent Star Wars Novels have run with an "Anti-force users"-riff. Where the people of the galaxy see the Jedi and Sith as two sides of the same coin with the Galaxy caught in the middle. It also doesn't help that Skywalker Family has also had such a muddled history between the two sides.

The Mandalorian/Clone War novels by Traviss also go out of their way to paint the Jedi, more specifically the Jedi Order, in the worst possible light.

Here's the thing though: I think human nature is so cynical that pure altruism is looked upon as having some sort of self-serving angle. We don't "trust" anyone until we can understand their motivations and the Jedi's movtivation (ideally) is harmony. To a lot of people that equates to a kind of "thought-police".

To be honest I think there will always be a segment of the population that hates being told what to do. The Sith are the ultimate expression of this, but it's also why the philosophy is ultimately self-destructive until something like Bane's rule of two was implemented.

 

[Twad]

Whoever is "right" usually has the heaviest artillery.

 

[veloper]

Fear may lead to anger, and anger may lead to hate, but they don't always do such.

That's exactly why I never really liked Yoda and the Jedi in general, they're so incredibly dogmatic. Their teachings are useful of course, since with them you can prevent letting anger lead to hate, but hell they just want to eliminate emotion altogether. Can't say I like that, I thought only Sith dealt in absolutes. Yoda sounds pretty absolute to me though.

And the fact that BioWare seems to agree with that, or at least agree with the importance of the shades of grey, will hopefully mean that SW:TOR will be a lot more interesting.

Still, of course, my Sith Inquisitor might not be that bad, but I'm still going to torture people with Force Lightning. That's just fun.

I never liked the certainty with which they proclaimed that pretty much all emotions damned you.
Fear -> Hate -> Dark Side
Love -> Jealousy -> Dark Side
Pride -> Conceit -> Dark Side
Humor -> Sarcasm -> Dark Side
Pleasure -> Hedonism -> Dark Side
Masturbation -> Blindness -> Darkside (Fear the Force-Wank)

light side -> detachment -> dark side

That's what I got from Star Wars.

Jedi aren't allowed to marry or form any other emotional attachment to someone or something. Without emotional values, jedi have nothing to counter the simplistic Sith arguments.
The sith make the fallen jedi move up from caring about nothing to caring about themselves.

 

[James Raynor]

The sith are not inherently evil, just naturally prone to corruption. Due to how their teachings work (They are taught to embrace their powers, unlike the jedi; And as we all know: With great power comes with great insanity.)

 

[Vohn_exel]

I'll probably not have the computing power to play this by the time it comes out, but if I can I intend to. That being said, thats why I prefer the movies to the EU. George Lucas said that in his story, the Sith are Bad, and the Jedi are Good. It was never really a "point of view" thing in that regard in the movies. But the EU always try to make good sith and bad jedi, or just generally make up whatever they want in terms of the world of Star Wars. I still can't wait for this game to come out, but I've never been much of a fan of the EU.

Lucas is a tosser whose creation outgrew him long ago.

That being said, I always thought the jedi were a bunch of pussies and always threw my lot in with the sith when given the choice.

He might not really know much about his galaxy far far away anymore, but it is still his galaxy. He should the final say on what does or doesn't happen in his world. That being said, if I were to create a world and allow people to work on it, I'd really want them to follow the rules I laid down.

I know people say "Oh, he reads all the books and approves them," but all that means is that he makes sure there aren't any rainbow zebras in them, and then says "fine," and goes back to playing with his money. He doesn't really care what the EU does, but sometimes you end up with an EU writer that wants to be bigger then the original universe. If theyr'e wanting to step out of an established world so much, they should make thier own book.

 

[Marv21]

I've thought this way lonnnnnggg before this thread started, and I realized that the Jedi shouldn't hunt the sith but seek a possible unification and melding of belief to complete the true unification of force idealogies thus stemming the force wars that take place long before Star Wars 6

 

[felixader]

Someone else get's a "The Horde" vibe from this?

not really the horde were hardly evil in warcraft

That is what i were referring to. ^^

 

[felixader]

Someone else get's a "The Horde" vibe from this?

No, not really. Not in any way other than in the sense of the Sith being the "evil" faction of the game.

This I like. I've always digged the "feel" of the Sith above those of the Jedi, and many Sith lords have had good intentions. Also, force-choke kicks ass.

Thing i wantd to point at here is the fact that the Horde is even that, not really evil.

In Bothe cases Horde and Sith, the colouring would be "kinda evil (aka coooool, emo etc.)" with a "but not really" twist. Allies and Jeid would then be "pure good" with a "but kinda bad" twist.

This could create some problems for the game like it did for WoW, i think.

 

[DayDark]

The dark side has always been about passion, that is why the you can't know love as a jedi, it's all about stability, while the sith are all about emotions, why did anakin fall? because he tried to save the ones he loved, because he loved without control.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

As learned in KotOR 2, the Sith and the Jedi were at one point the same order of force-sensitives. However, the Jedi Masters of old, of course.. wanted them to remove emotion and anything of human indulgence aside, and completely devote to the Jedi way. Of course, the apprentices, masters, etc. who did not agree with this, and wanted to retain their freedom for knowledge, emotion, and choice, obviously said "Fuck you" and left the Order. They were branded "evil" by the Jedi Masters in order to stop the other apprentices and masters from following them, with the propaganda of "Anything not us = DARK SIDE! OH NOES!". The Jedi that left the Order gave themselves the title "Sith", as they did not want to be recognized as any affiliation to the Jedi Order they left.

Personally, I think the Sith were in the right in such. However, emotion and indulgence without control leads to dark places and corruption, which is the fundamental flaw of most of the Sith you see in George Lucas' films, and somewhat in KoTOR. Though, the Jedi are equally as fundamentally flawed in the manner that they restrict emotion and general human desires, cutting children off from their families and making them completely devote to the Order. I mean, come now.. you didn't expect people to rebel taking away sex, love (along with most other emotions), and general freedom from your Order's members? Pfeh.

In basis, neither side is generally correct. One preaches desire and indulgence without limitation, and one preaches almost total restriction from the outside world in sacrifice for the "Greater Good". Which is why I choose neither side, and do my own damned thing. Though I tend to have natural inclination towards the Sith myself, just suits my personality more.

 

[darth gditch]

Oy. I would say Sith and Jedi are two different philosophies. Only, Sith are more predisposed to dominate while Jedi are more predisposed to assist. Both dogmas have their pros and cons, but what usually makes Sith "evil" is that they crush the weak. The strong grow stronger and the weak are crushed. While I can admire this reliance on self and drive to be the best; the Jedi overall seek to aid the weak and oppressed, to lift them up rather than stomp them down.

Still, neither side is completely good or evil. And how the individuals act is far more important than what creed they follow.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

KotOR 2 already did this, but I guess more of the same is alright.