are there ANY bioware rpgs that are bad
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Not having played everywhere Bioware RPG, I really can't say.
I wouldn't count any of them as unbearable, but I think I had the least fun with the original campaign for Neverwinter Nights 2. The original campaign for the first NWN was also pretty weak, and I didn't care too much for Icewind Dale (if I wanted a dungeon crawler, I'd play Diablo.)
But I enjoy Bioware's work, by and large, and will continue playing their games.
EDIT: So it turns out that neither NWN2 nor Icewind Dale were properly Bioware products. This is something I've been told before, but I apparently need multiple reminders to get that information through my skull. So my vote for worst BioWare RPG goes to the original NWN campaign.
I wouldn't count any of them as unbearable, but I think I had the least fun with the original campaign for Neverwinter Nights 2. The original campaign for the first NWN was also pretty weak, and I didn't care too much for Icewind Dale (if I wanted a dungeon crawler, I'd play Diablo.)
But I enjoy Bioware's work, by and large, and will continue playing their games.
EDIT: So it turns out that neither NWN2 nor Icewind Dale were properly Bioware products. This is something I've been told before, but I apparently need multiple reminders to get that information through my skull. So my vote for worst BioWare RPG goes to the original NWN campaign.
What is the objective unit of measurement of quality?Starke said:
As long as one person or even just a group of people like something to them it isn't bad, The world is made up of opinions. It's very hard to paint a black and white picture without it getting a little gray. If you like something you'd consider it good, even if 20 of your friends disliked it, it would still be good to you. Take Morrowind as an example,some people think it's the best game ever,and others consider it boring shoddy and they rag on the combat system, it's a mixed bag. Different people have different tastes and take in every quality differently.Starke said:
You could go off exploring, after you've gained som levels and gotten some nice equipment. This is one of the reasons I really like Baldur's Gate. After being ass-raped by a gang of ogres or something I'd say: "Just you wait you fuckin' ogres! Just you wait! I'll be back and then I'll kill you! I'll kill you all!!! Muhahahaha!"migo said:
When you start of you're basically a kid who never even went out of the fortress, what do you know about fighting monsters? It gave a sense of danger to the world, knowing that some monsters you don't fuck around with! That's something I miss in newer games, like Dragon Age. I really like that game, but it's a bit too easy. I'm running around on Nightmare difficulty and I'm seldom having any problems at all, hell I've had more trouble with the Gnoll Fortress than with the Arch Demon. But anyways, when you finally beat those ogres, it gives a real sense of having progressed, you're not that kid anymore, you're becomming a full-fledged, monster-killing, adventurer!
So yeah, I don't mean to question you're taste or anything. Just felt like sharing my mind, since Baldur's Gate 1&2 are at the top of my favourite games list.
I realise the AI cheats...I used to yell at the screen "no way! thats bullshit!" but I'd still come back for more.Starke said:
If it were a real casino game it would have to be modified a bit...say be more like texes hold'em where you're dealt 2 cards (card deck consists of cards ranging from -6 to +6, no +/- cards) and those are the cards you can use for that hand. Then it can play like blackjack (with the total being 20 instead of 21) where the dealer deals you the cards and you can either hit, stand or use a card. The goal is to beat the dealer, getting the same gives ur money back, winning gives double your bet or triple if you win with a count of 20.
I think it could work, probably requires further tweaking.
I'd say Mass Effect II was a bad RPG, but in all honesty, it wasn't an rpg.ICanBreakTheseCuffs said:
It was a completely gutted version of the first game catered to the mindless saps of the third person shooter generation.
Way to cater to the masses, Bioware....
I haven't enjoyed any of their games so far, and I have only played Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age. Mass Effect looked good, but it wasn't fun at all. Dragon Age in my opinion was just bad. Took everything good about WoW and shat on it and replaced it with voice acting.
I don't care how good their voice acting is, if the rest of the world sucks. I had no reason to explore, or do anything, for that matter. It was the most unimersive pile of shite.
Everyone complains about Fallout 3's limited voice acting, but at least they got the world right, and the voices are easily tolerable.
Plus, dwarves were American in DA:O. AMERICAN. It just.... no.. really, it doesn't suit dwarves at all. They're Scottish, ok Bioware?
At least Mass Effect seemed alright, just not my kind of thing. Dragon Age, however, was not fun at all, and if a game isn't fun in any way, or I actually do not want to keep playing it, I class it as bad.
KotOR is legendary though, so I need to give that a go.
I don't care how good their voice acting is, if the rest of the world sucks. I had no reason to explore, or do anything, for that matter. It was the most unimersive pile of shite.
Everyone complains about Fallout 3's limited voice acting, but at least they got the world right, and the voices are easily tolerable.
Plus, dwarves were American in DA:O. AMERICAN. It just.... no.. really, it doesn't suit dwarves at all. They're Scottish, ok Bioware?
At least Mass Effect seemed alright, just not my kind of thing. Dragon Age, however, was not fun at all, and if a game isn't fun in any way, or I actually do not want to keep playing it, I class it as bad.
KotOR is legendary though, so I need to give that a go.
Yeah Mass Effect was a damn good game and comes third in my list of Bioware favourites after Jade Empire and Dragon Age but the two flaws I mentioned really bugged me. And which one was Garrus? It's been quite a while since I played.FargoDog said:
Like I said I'm well aware I'm in the minority but I just didn't find it fun. I guess not liking Star Wars very much it was never going to be my favourite but I didn't really enjoy it at all.seydaman said:
There are going to be a lot of opinions in this thread I disagree with, and a lot of people hating on Bioware for the sake of hating on a popular company that dominates the RPG genre, so I'm going to avoid reading it.
I will say, however, that the Sonic game they made was awful. However, it WAS a Sonic game so I think they get a pass.
The only legitimate Bioware style game that I wasn't fond of was Jade Empire, and that was mostly due to the Eastern themes. It was just too foreign for me, and I'm not a fan of that kind of stylization.
I will say, however, that the Sonic game they made was awful. However, it WAS a Sonic game so I think they get a pass.
The only legitimate Bioware style game that I wasn't fond of was Jade Empire, and that was mostly due to the Eastern themes. It was just too foreign for me, and I'm not a fan of that kind of stylization.
I think they make perfectly fine games.. I dont think they ever go to great and I dont think any have been awful. They have their success model and have run with it since Baldurs Gate, they dropped Dungeons and Dragons because they could never get the ruleset correct and still used the D&D style they created with feats,levels and shit like that in every game since.. Jade Empire, Mass Effect series and Dragon Age.
My favorite work that they have done is Neverwinter Knights, I even like NWN2 even tho they handed that project off.
Bioware is a smart developer who make solid games that dont stray too far from eachother, you play 1 bioware game you played them all essentially. Feats/Perks, Romance, chose your alignment, 20-40 levels to gain and thats the base for essentially all their games. Add in dual classing, mini-games, change of setting, and weapon variety and thats how the games differ from each other.
My favorite work that they have done is Neverwinter Knights, I even like NWN2 even tho they handed that project off.
Bioware is a smart developer who make solid games that dont stray too far from eachother, you play 1 bioware game you played them all essentially. Feats/Perks, Romance, chose your alignment, 20-40 levels to gain and thats the base for essentially all their games. Add in dual classing, mini-games, change of setting, and weapon variety and thats how the games differ from each other.
Once a baldursgate fan always a baldursgate fan ^^ I'm actually very annoyed that Baldursgate three will never see the daylightNimzar said:
Or I would atleast like an expansion pack just to cheer it up 
Well Mass Effect is barely an RPG so I can't say that. Dragon Age was fucking terrible compared to Baldurs Gate.