are we blowing stuff out of proportion

[ScarlettRage]

I've sort of given up on the school system. I mean I once got sent home for defending myself after some butch girl smashed my head against a metal pole? And what happened to her you might ask? Nothing. She didn't even get called to the office.

same, some guy came up to me at school while i was sitting down and kicked me in the side (in between ribs- kidneys) and i beat the crap out of him, i got detention, he didn't get shit all.
i have been also told to switch shirt because it was too "low-cut" when in barley showed anything and other girl where wearing ones with full cleavage and they didn't say anything.


i think they may hate me.
i need a hug maybe a cookie

 

[RootbeerJello]

Bwahahahahahahahaha XD. You got in trouble for wearing gang colors. I feel the need to make a de-motivational poster. "Red. It's illegal now."

OT, I got in trouble last year for wearing a T-shirt that said "Live to Ride" because apparently my school associates skateboarding shirts with gang activity, drugs, vandalism, and I can only assume mail fraud. The kicker? It was a snowboarding shirt.

EDIT: Okay for some reason quotes aren't working for me. I meant to quote Xyphon, who got in trouble for wearing blue shoelaces and a red backpack.

 

[ScarlettRage]

Well im my country you can wear whatever the hell you want to school,i used to wear football (soccer) shorts to school and didnt care,lots of people had heavy metal t-shirts,girls wore thongs and skirts above the knee,and the schools didnt care. Even though the occasional fight happens and people wear whatever they want a school shooting never happened here,unlike in america where everything is prohibited,even alcohol unless youre 21,which makes people tense and uncomfortable,which is bad. If i was your mate and had a "FCUK" shirt id do what people in the us normaly do,sue the school for a million dollars! its not like he was wearing "fuck" on his shirt,they have no right to do that,but on the other side any chance to home from school earlyer is awesome. If we had suspensions here Everyone would love it!

where the hell are you from? lol i wanna move there!

 

[Korolev]

Some one in my lab was wearing a hoodie with the FCUK logo on it. It was strange to see because this guy was a very religious Catholic. But no one in my lab had a problem with it. Although we did have a problem with him blasting Madonna music when we were working alongside him in the lab (I have no idea why such a strict Catholic would love to listen to madonna).

But that's university, and universities (at least in Australia) have a tradition with respecting people's rights to wear what they want. School is a different matter.

Here in Australia, almost all schools (both private and public) force their students to wear uniforms, and no deviation from that dress code is allowed. In my school, dying your hair or wearing earrings was banned (although a lot of the school staff looked the other way when the big, rich donators child dyed her hair). However, in the US, many schools have no uniforms. In that case, what can students be allowed to wear?

Well, FCUK should be allowed - because FCUK isn't a swear word. So that's an over-reaction on your school's part. They are still trying to be moral guardians, which schools can never be. Children learn some of their morals from their parents and friends, but rarely from school teachers, because children can rarely relate to school teachers, and if you cannot relate with them you will never learn properly from them (this is why school teachers fail to educate children - they demand respect and attention, instead of earning respect and attention from the children. Good school teachers try to be funny, try to relate and try to reach out to the children, which earns them the respect of school students who will then listen to him/her).

We really can't expect to enforce moral codes on people. Dangerous practices, like smoking in a small room with a bunch of people who really don't like cancer, should be banned. Obviously threatening slogans or images like "I'm gonna kill all XYZ people" or full frontal nudity should be banned as well. But FCUK? No - that should not be banned, because if you know what that word is a mis-spelling of, you already know what that word is. And if you don't know, you don't know.

 

[Vivaldi]

The thing about my school (in WA) is that denim is banned throughout the state because it is apparently inappropriate.

I trust you have a source to back up this claim?

Second. I live in WA, this smells odd to me.

Doesn't denim in Washington always smell odd? (I too live in Washington so I'm equally suspicious).[/quote]

Witty, witty sir.

Well this makes two of us who are skeptical, and I'm going into freshman year of public and have heard of no such rule.

 

[JWAN]

Schools will be schools.....

I got sent home once because I had a mohawk. They classified it as a gang thing. The fuck?

technically yes if your willing to chase down obscure 80's gangs lol.

I got kicked out of my art history class because my shirt said Obamanation (meaning abomination) They siad that it would make people angry, and I said good.
The next day I wore my "Meat is murder, tasty, tasty murder" shirt

 

[C0nn0r666]

Ha i have a friend that has that same shirt same thing happed to him

 

[piratecon]

when I was in 6th grade a senior sat next to me on the bus before calling me a fag and pushing my head through the window. Yes, he broke the window with my very surprised face. i had said nothing to him to instigate this act. The kindly school superintendent and later school board then promptly issued a 200$ bill to my parents for my "blatant destruction of school property." Guess what? I still have that 200$ bill and they will never see a penny of it. and for the senior, nothing happened to him, besides that I waited outside a local fast food joint (where he worked) with a small chunk of thick walled 1 and 1/4" water pipe and beat the snot out of him. leaving a note asking him to pay for the pipe.

 

[Bealzibob]

when I was in 6th grade a senior sat next to me on the bus before calling me a fag and pushing my head through the window. Yes, he broke the window with my very surprised face. i had said nothing to him to instigate this act. The kindly school superintendent and later school board then promptly issued a 200$ bill to my parents for my "blatant destruction of school property." Guess what? I still have that 200$ bill and they will never see a penny of it. and for the senior, nothing happened to him, besides that I waited outside a local fast food joint (where he worked) with a small chunk of thick walled 1 and 1/4" water pipe and beat the snot out of him. leaving a note asking him to pay for the pipe.

You are a fucking legend =]

 

[Lunar Shadow]

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The thing about my school (in WA) is that denim is banned throughout the state because it is apparently inappropriate.

I trust you have a source to back up this claim?

Second. I live in WA, this smells odd to me.

Doesn't denim in Washington always smell odd? (I too live in Washington so I'm equally suspicious).

Witty, witty sir.

Well this makes two of us who are skeptical, and I'm going into freshman year of public and have heard of no such rule.[/quote]
I would like to point out the person yall are quoting, their profile says they live in AUstralia. And unless Washington has an Education Minister, I think she does not mean Washington.

 

[Dottie]

That shit is ridiculous since I wore a shirt with a giant middle finger on the back and a bandanna in my back pocket and no one said anything.

 

[Finnboghi]

I've sort of given up on the school system. I mean I once got sent home for defending myself after some butch girl smashed my head against a metal pole? And what happened to her you might ask? Nothing. She didn't even get called to the office.

same, some guy came up to me at school while i was sitting down and kicked me in the side (in between ribs- kidneys) and i beat the crap out of him, i got detention, he didn't get shit all.
i have been also told to switch shirt because it was too "low-cut" when in barley showed anything and other girl where wearing ones with full cleavage and they didn't say anything.


i think they may hate me.
i need a hug maybe a cookie

Aww... *Offers hug-flavoured cookie*

Just go with it.

Anyways.

Although it is true that schools impose unhealthy restrictions (I have a right to free speech; it doesn't disappear when I walk through a doorway.), wit and determination can determine the... Desired effect.

Subtlety and feigned innocence let you push well beyond the envelope and indeed the entire office the envelope was in.

And if all else fails, manipulation and bringin' down the ban hammer is always satisfying.

Keep in mind this is meant to be from the perspective of the student.

One who had a teacher fired.

On a lighter note, university is nice because the profs don't really care if you're vulgar.

 

[vampirekid.13]

Actually a student doesnt have free speech in school, and im sorry but just because you want to say words like fuck, ******, whitey (though thats ok for some reason) cracker, doesnt mean we all want to read it on some kids shirt, some kid who is probably wearing it because he thinks it makes him mr.badass (please excuse my language but I dont want anyone telling me im just scared of those words)

You see you have to respect other peoples rights too, though you might be in the majority, what about those 14 kids who hate those words, who feel antagonized by shirts with things like that on them, are you saying they dont count, you who feel oppressed dont think of them...

Yeah I know curse words should be allowed at work to some degree, I mean we only hide them, I think penn and tellers show bullshit said it best "we gift rap" bad words into thinks like crud or darnit, or even by saying african american. Everyone feels weird saying that, its not natural but we do it to be PC, because society as a whole is more comfortable like that. Saying ****** is offensive, but whats more offensive to me is that white people can be insulted and wont get that special protection....

Still despite that it is a bit out of proportion to get mad at someone for a Mohawk, but if you walk in with obscene words on your shirt that asking for trouble, those words to me are great when they really mean something, but they mean nothing, they have no shock value if everyone could slap them on a shirt and lunchbox. I know its annoying, but we also have to see that society has rules for a reason

the t-shirt had no swear words on it. it had nothing depicting innapropriate behavior, it was a name brade that when in an acronim does NOT make up a word.


by your standards we should also ban the world beach because it sounds like ***** and the sick because its 1 letter away from dick.

 

[vampirekid.13]

It's not appropriate in school because it wouldn't be appropriate in the workplace. People get fired for wearing too much cologne/perfume, so why wouldn't kids get sent home for wearing something controversial?

School is there for kids to learn, not make controversial statements. Save that for when you go out on the weekends.

EDIT: On a side note, there was a kid who cross dressed and he came to school several times dress like a woman, and no authority figure said anything to him. I guess it's all about where you grow up.

Yes, well, while the whole theory of "School is here to learn" is kinda ruined by the fact that the schools flip out about random bullshit, and send you home! When you are suspended or sent home, how the hell are you learning? Especially if you are sent home as this guy was

School is meant for learning. Not just for the kid who got sent home, but for every other kid in the school. The school was trying to protect their other however many thousand students while punishing that one who made a bad decision. If that one kid would like to join his friends in class again, he won't make the same bad decision.

uniforms are cool because teachers taht dont like you cant interpret things the way they chose to and send you home for no reason.

thats like saying that someone cant wear a t-shirt with a kickflip off a roof that said "sick" at the bottom to express the awesomeness of it because its 1 letter away from saying dick.

how about we ban the word "shot" in school because its 1 letter away from shit.

or beach because it sounds like *****.


see...you cant because its stupid. theres nothing at all wrong w/ having fcuk on ur tshirt in a learning environment.

F.C.U.K. is and acronym, shot and sick are words. Common words used constantly in the English language. The teacher may not have ever heard of FCUK in their lives, I hadn't until this thread.
In the end though, the school is in the right. Anything that has a chance to disrupt class is enough to get you taken out of school for a few days. It's plain as day in your student handbooks or on whatever they give you to show you the rules. Deal with it.

ps sorry about the double.

But you want to top it all off, an 8 year old kid was expelled (in October)for texting ;P at someone because the teacher thought it was "sexual harassment." The parents took it to the school board who upheld the expulsion, and the local courts who also upheld it. It took a state appeals court to get the kid back into school, at least the parents sued for legal fees later and got that out of the county courts.

you would be completely correct, if you werent absolutely wrong.

how is a t-shirt that is NOT innapropriate in any way/shape/form going to distract class.

if anything kids will distrupt class more than that t-shirt.

what actually happened was the teacher and the student had a long time conflict because he felt he was better than to do hw but he'd get 100% of his tests. which pissed the teacher off, she hated him for a while, was just looking for an excuse to send get back at him. AND THATS NOT OK.

 

[asinann]

It's not appropriate in school because it wouldn't be appropriate in the workplace. People get fired for wearing too much cologne/perfume, so why wouldn't kids get sent home for wearing something controversial?

School is there for kids to learn, not make controversial statements. Save that for when you go out on the weekends.

EDIT: On a side note, there was a kid who cross dressed and he came to school several times dress like a woman, and no authority figure said anything to him. I guess it's all about where you grow up.

Yes, well, while the whole theory of "School is here to learn" is kinda ruined by the fact that the schools flip out about random bullshit, and send you home! When you are suspended or sent home, how the hell are you learning? Especially if you are sent home as this guy was

School is meant for learning. Not just for the kid who got sent home, but for every other kid in the school. The school was trying to protect their other however many thousand students while punishing that one who made a bad decision. If that one kid would like to join his friends in class again, he won't make the same bad decision.

uniforms are cool because teachers taht dont like you cant interpret things the way they chose to and send you home for no reason.

thats like saying that someone cant wear a t-shirt with a kickflip off a roof that said "sick" at the bottom to express the awesomeness of it because its 1 letter away from saying dick.

how about we ban the word "shot" in school because its 1 letter away from shit.

or beach because it sounds like *****.


see...you cant because its stupid. theres nothing at all wrong w/ having fcuk on ur tshirt in a learning environment.

F.C.U.K. is and acronym, shot and sick are words. Common words used constantly in the English language. The teacher may not have ever heard of FCUK in their lives, I hadn't until this thread.
In the end though, the school is in the right. Anything that has a chance to disrupt class is enough to get you taken out of school for a few days. It's plain as day in your student handbooks or on whatever they give you to show you the rules. Deal with it.

ps sorry about the double.

But you want to top it all off, an 8 year old kid was expelled (in October)for texting ;P at someone because the teacher thought it was "sexual harassment." The parents took it to the school board who upheld the expulsion, and the local courts who also upheld it. It took a state appeals court to get the kid back into school, at least the parents sued for legal fees later and got that out of the county courts.

you would be completely correct, if you werent absolutely wrong.

how is a t-shirt that is NOT innapropriate in any way/shape/form going to distract class.

if anything kids will distrupt class more than that t-shirt.

what actually happened was the teacher and the student had a long time conflict because he felt he was better than to do hw but he'd get 100% of his tests. which pissed the teacher off, she hated him for a while, was just looking for an excuse to send get back at him. AND THATS NOT OK.

Then maybe someone shouldn't be antagonizing authority figures. Would you poke at a cop until he arrested you? How about your boss? If your parents could still hit you, would you push them constantly? How are they different from your teachers?

In school, the teacher is the equivalent of middle management. They get shit on by the people under them AND the people over them and have very little authority. The administration is the equivalent of the management structure, you almost never see them, but odds are they will just sign off on whatever the people directly over you say and do, and they have all the power.

Would you wear that t-shirt to work? Always ask yourself that before you wear something to school. If you don't have a job, ask yourself if you would wear it to an interview. If you still can't answer, ask yourself if you would wear the shirt to see you grandparents on a holiday.

Those aren't black-tie events, any of them. But they all require a certain amount of decorum. You don't wear something that someone old might find offensive or intentionally misconstrue as offensive in a setting where it could possibly get you in trouble. If you do it any way, you should be ready to accept the consequences of your actions. Learn your bloody lesson and move on.

I think both sides here are being oversensitive to be honest. "Your shirt is close to inappropriate and since I don't like you I'm going to say it is." "You kicked me out of school because you don't like me and found an excuse (that I probably shouldn't have given you, but I wanted to see how far I could push you.)"

That about sums up the whole bloody mess as I've seen it.

 

[Deathsong17]

It's not appropriate in school because it wouldn't be appropriate in the workplace. People get fired for wearing too much cologne/perfume, so why wouldn't kids get sent home for wearing something controversial?

School is there for kids to learn, not make controversial statements. Save that for when you go out on the weekends.

EDIT: On a side note, there was a kid who cross dressed and he came to school several times dress like a woman, and no authority figure said anything to him. I guess it's all about where you grow up.

there is nothing inappropriate about wearing a clothing company logo on a tshirt i mean not like it was pornographical in nature, or depicted guns or anything. it just said FCUK.


its like really?...fcuk? really?!

Fcuk with two letters switched around is fuck. It's the same reason why alcoholic beverage t-shirts are banned in schools. Just be happy you don't have to wear uniforms.

FCUK also spells French Connection United Kingdom. Since when was delibiratly changing a harmless acronym into something different, then putting punishments on said acronyms, acceptable?

 

[Satoz]

Actually a student doesnt have free speech in school, and im sorry but just because you want to say words like fuck, ******, whitey (though thats ok for some reason) cracker, doesnt mean we all want to read it on some kids shirt, some kid who is probably wearing it because he thinks it makes him mr.badass (please excuse my language but I dont want anyone telling me im just scared of those words)

You see you have to respect other peoples rights too, though you might be in the majority, what about those 14 kids who hate those words, who feel antagonized by shirts with things like that on them, are you saying they dont count, you who feel oppressed dont think of them...

Yeah I know curse words should be allowed at work to some degree, I mean we only hide them, I think penn and tellers show bullshit said it best "we gift rap" bad words into thinks like crud or darnit, or even by saying african american. Everyone feels weird saying that, its not natural but we do it to be PC, because society as a whole is more comfortable like that. Saying ****** is offensive, but whats more offensive to me is that white people can be insulted and wont get that special protection....

Still despite that it is a bit out of proportion to get mad at someone for a Mohawk, but if you walk in with obscene words on your shirt that asking for trouble, those words to me are great when they really mean something, but they mean nothing, they have no shock value if everyone could slap them on a shirt and lunchbox. I know its annoying, but we also have to see that society has rules for a reason

the t-shirt had no swear words on it. it had nothing depicting innapropriate behavior, it was a name brade that when in an acronim does NOT make up a word.


by your standards we should also ban the world beach because it sounds like ***** and the sick because its 1 letter away from dick.

Im sorry but Fcuk or whatever it was is way too easy to decipher, I mean its two letters switched around, so would a shirt saying "Teachers are mohter Fcuking bastrads " be ok in your book? I know its a brand, but its too easy to interpret as that other word, it seems intentional, you have to understand what a school setting is and how it functions, because right now thats what im talking about...

also did you read my whole post, because by "my standards" I think cursing is great, but its meaningless if you use them all the time, it steals the shock and power those words can hold. Its also just annoying, because it doesnt make you special for having it on a shirt...

And that whole "ban the world beach and sick" is stupid, I never said anything should be banned, read my post please, and the reason beach and sick are fine is because they are their own words. What the Fcuk does Fcuk mean otherwise in that appearance? its also all about how its presented, if I had a shirt that said "son of a beach" or "duck my sick" then yes that shirt should not be in a school setting, otherwise a shirt that just said beach or sick would be fine.
You need to understand how society looks at something, rather than how you do, you cant force everyone to do what you want, and you have to understand that certain things are not allowed in school for a reason, sure Fcuk and "son of a beach" arent bad words, but the implications they bring and the image they give are what causes them to be questionable in a school setting...even if you think Fcuk is purely innocent, if lots of people understand it means something else.

Heres an example, lets say i have a shirt that says Nig*er, and thats all it says
it could stand for National integrated golden star retail, but if you dont know that guess what first comes to mind

the key word here is school setting

 

[Vivaldi]

.

The thing about my school (in WA) is that denim is banned throughout the state because it is apparently inappropriate.

I trust you have a source to back up this claim?

Second. I live in WA, this smells odd to me.

Doesn't denim in Washington always smell odd? (I too live in Washington so I'm equally suspicious).

Witty, witty sir.

Well this makes two of us who are skeptical, and I'm going into freshman year of public and have heard of no such rule.

I would like to point out the person yall are quoting, their profile says they live in AUstralia. And unless Washington has an Education Minister, I think she does not mean Washington.[/quote]


Ah, so it was just a misunderstanding. Silly me, apologies abound.