Are you Patriotic?

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Ryotknife

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Probably not. Don't get me wrong I like my country and all (US), but being a patriot nowadays seems to imply that you hold your country above criticism and involves more rhetoric than im comfortable with. I don't think the US is the greatest country in the world (the most interesting social experiment in human history maybe). In fact, I really don't think there IS a greatest country in the world.

It feels like countries are becoming one big international blob lately.
 

scorptatious

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Eh... somewhat.

I'm not one of those "'murica fuck yeah!" kind of guys, but to be honest, I can't really imagine myself living anywhere else. Maybe somewhere in Europe or Canada, but other than that not really.
 

Frankster

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Im patriotic in that i truly love the countries that spawned me (england and france in my case) and appreciate their history and culture aswell as some of the eccentricties or particularities.

But my love for my countries aint blind, and i view true patriotism as embracing both the qualities and flaws of your country.
If you think your country "is teh best" and everywhere else is crap, then i do hope you've at least traveled extensively enough to back your opinion or you're just talking nonsense and are no more then a mindless drone regurgitating propaganda.
For the record ive always found the whole "pledging allegiance to a flag" thing some countries do in school very freaky, thats not patriotism, thats just indoctrination.
 

Johnny Novgorod

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I... am not. I'm from Argentina, where being proud of your country is a national sport. But I don't like football, I've never been to a football game, I don't drink mate, I'm not a peronist, I'm not a big fan of Che Guevara and I couldn't care any less about the Malvinas War or where does Carlos Gardel really hail from. And we haven't had one good government for years, either we get a military stooge or some corrupt demagogue for president. On the bright side, the food's great,
 

Saltyk

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Well, I think of it this way. Do you see problems in your government? Do those problems bother you? Do you want to fix those problems? Do you vote (assuming that is an option)?

Well, you're a patriot. You may not run around in a suit made to look like your countries flag. But you care about your country enough to want it to follow the right path. It may only be land, but it's your home, right?

Also, Xenophobia is not patriotism. So don't try to color it as such. You can be a patriot and not want to kill all those people who have the audacity to have a different skin color and/or language from you. Being a patriot only means you value your country.
 

Akytalusia

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not even close. it's just the place where i live. i do get offended when people insult the country i live in; not because they're insulting the country, but because i feel like i'm being unfairly attacked for my countries flaws. hell, i agree with all the hate we get. but i also hate that i have to be lumped in with them just because i live here.
 

Bruce

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Yes and no.

I can hear criticism without going into mental lockdown, ranting about people being un-South African. My country, since 1994 at least, has freedom of speech, freedom of religion and a high level of freedom of politics so the concept of an un-South African is pretty dicey anyway.

But when push comes to shove I am a South African, and I believe it is important to try and make my country a better place. Not just for our sake, but the sake of providing a working model which can help other countries become better in time.

I am proud of the quality of research my country produces despite the fact that we lack quantity, as well as the quality of things like our olives and wine. I also like the fact that my country's contribution to the balance of world power has been primarily by acting as diplomats, not world police.

Further when it comes to our people, if you want a glimpse of the real South Africa lurking beneath the fake divides of racism, just take a look at the crowds outside Mandela's hospital every time he coughs.

That makes me a bit of a patriot.

That said, I also recognise that my country is a rapist's paradise, has the military capabilities of a stoned manatee (thankyou corruption), and generally seems to constantly be falling victim to racist bullshitters. We aren't exactly the Wild West, because the Wild West had less of a violent crime problem.

That makes me somewhat less of a patriot, because I believe that becoming the best in the world would require a lot of work, and we are nowhere near there yet.
 

Ftaghn To You Too

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Patriotism is a weird thing, because everyone defines it differently. I define myself as a patriot since I love my country enough to want to improve it, and make everyone living here happier and better off. I don't defend our history, though, and I criticize everything constantly. So some would call me Anti-American.

But I still feel a little jab in the gut any time anyone makes a mean spirited America joke. I don't think of myself as being better than others for where they live. I think nationalism in the sense of "my country is better than your country forever" is just stupid. But I like where I live, I like the ideals of my government, even when they don't fit reality. So I'd call myself a patriot, but I like to think I'm not a jackass about it.
 

Agayek

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I'm a patriot insofar as I like my country and I want to continue to live in it and make it as good as it possibly can be.

However, I'm not blind to our faults and I have an instinctive and deep-seated hatred of all things governmental, so I don't really fit with the stereotypical idea of a patriot.
 

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Irish here.
Do not care for my country at all.

Hell, the British could invade us again and I wouldn't give two shits. Of course I could never say that in real life out of fear of the IRA coming after me.
 

TheScientificIssole

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Greg White said:
All that plus none of what I've seen of the rest of the world makes me think that there is a better place to live.
Amen!
OT: I'm not a patriot, but I do respect human beings and those in closest proximity are in the US, so maybe that counts. I do also think that the US is number one. We are like the largest (really)functioning population. That, and I'm not a fan of the way any other country runs their shit. As a somewhat conservative and straight-up government-hater, I disagree with most things that the government does. I do this because I respect what the US is all about to me, never stopping on the movement for freedom. We never move any closer to freedom, but really no other country in our position does anymore. Wait, I think I might be a patriot.
 

Ryan Hughes

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No. I am an American, and while I do love my country in spite of its flaws, the very idea of "patriotism" is inherently corrupt. To but is as succinctly as I can: Patriotism is a form of extreme nationalism, and nationalism is merely an ideology that allows those who use it to divide any particular population into those it sees as "patriotic" and those it sees as infidels(meaning disloyal). Needless to say, even in the best cases, this type of ideology is dangerous and ignorant.
 

fractal_butterfly

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I am German. We are not allowed to be patriotic ;-)
Seriously, I feel kind of proud for the accomplishments of my country, especially our technical standards (don't know if there is something like the TÜV in any other country), our engineers and scientists. And I wheep, because our politicians are systematically destroying that, cutting educational funds and the like.
So yeah, I love parts of my country, and I hate what it is becoming...
 

White Lightning

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I love my country, and I will defend it's greatness till my last breath. Although there are some other places I kind of like, but not nearly as much as home.
 

LetalisK

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Ryan Hughes said:
Patriotism is a form of extreme nationalism
It's the other way around, nationalism is an extreme form of patriotism. "Patriotism" is simply the act of having love or pride in one's country. It's a feeling. Nationalism takes it a step further and injects it into government. Even given a certain national demographic(namely multicultural) being patriotic and being certain kinds of nationalist(ie ethnic, religious, etc) would be directly contradictory. A person in such a situation likely masks their nationalism with the more socially acceptable patriotism, even though it's at best a delusion.

OT: No, I'm not patriotic.
 

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On my bad days I utterly despise my country. On my good days I believe that its bad traits far outweigh the good.