People seem to forget that the point of competition, which is really what almost every game utilizes, is to win. Of course, there are rules you must abide by, but if there's something that's within the rules, why not take advantage?HG131 said:
Are you sick of people saying "thats cheap or noobish"
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I definitely feel that certain aspects of games are cheap, but unless it's some very specific tangible mechanic (like one weapon, for instance) I don't single it out. For example, corner camping is often hated in L4D. But what's the expected action, fight out in the open without any cover? I leave it up to game designers to fix that sort of thing. And if they don't, well, then maybe it's just a bad game and a bad developer.
OR it means it's time for a patch/sequel!!111 =D
OR it means it's time for a patch/sequel!!111 =D
HG131:
Yes, yes I am. In war, you use every advantage to win. Anyone who doesn't is pants-on-head retarded.
The problem with "using every advantage to win" as you put it, is that if EVERYONE is using the same advantage (such as a weapon that is obviously better than the others) it nearly destroys game play and player skill, and turns it into a "whoever shoots first" contest.
ya then for once a game would have to be relistic
Yes, yes I am. In war, you use every advantage to win. Anyone who doesn't is pants-on-head retarded.
The problem with "using every advantage to win" as you put it, is that if EVERYONE is using the same advantage (such as a weapon that is obviously better than the others) it nearly destroys game play and player skill, and turns it into a "whoever shoots first" contest.
ya then for once a game would have to be relistic
I've had this problem with Monster Hunter. Many HR9's (the highest hunter rank) say that using trap and flash bombs (which stun the monster) is very cheap.
In my mind, if I'm going up against a monster 5x my size that can take half my life away with one hit, then I should use EVERYTHING to my advantage.
In my mind, if I'm going up against a monster 5x my size that can take half my life away with one hit, then I should use EVERYTHING to my advantage.
No offense, but that's kind of incorrect.blue_guy said:
Weapons such as the Rocket Launcher in Halo are used a lot of the times to bring vehicles down. (Unless you're a god with the laser like me.)
I would say that I for one am VERY good at games. I don't need to brag about myself, but I know for a fact I'm good. I just don't complain if someone uses a rocket launcher.
I also think that if someone's going to do it to me, I'll do it right back.
And last point, a developer doesn't fuck up by making a weapon that can prove useful in a game. In all honestly, if it weren't for the Missile Pod, Rocket Launcher or Lazer in Halo 3, it would be VERY difficult to take down vehicles which have squishy people inside.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just watch your words.
Game balance is a tough thing to get right. While most of the time it's pretty okay, there's a few blips that happen in most games that are hard to forsee a lot of the time.
While I can understand why you'd want to use all tools disposable to you, you must remember that these people do NOT use these tools, because they feel they feel they get too much reward for too little input(Read: Unfair). Say, for example, the COD4 grenade launcher, the input is you aiming at their general vicinity, and the output is instant, unwaveringly, death. While every other loadout weapon in the game requires accurate aiming, you're taking the weapon that means you don't have to put in the input, so you shouldn't deserve the reward.
To blow this up to it's logical extreme, if a game had a 'kill everyone' button (God knows why), it could be the best game in existence (bar the button), but the existence of the button would still be there. Is it fair to use that button when everyone else has unbound the function and forgotten about it? More importantly, is it fun?
I myself have run into this kind of thing before, back in the pre-unlock days of TF2, I was an excellent demoman, but everything kind of felt a bit unfair. I mean it took skill to place and detonate stickies, but really it was unfair that I could just get extra kills because the stickybomb damage was too high. (Since I've not really played demo too much, been more of a soldier man.)
Point is, just because it's in a game doesn't mean it's nessisarily fair, or fun. While there's merit to the 'every resource' in the real world, games are not serious business. You CAN have fun without making others feel cheated.
/Rant.
While I can understand why you'd want to use all tools disposable to you, you must remember that these people do NOT use these tools, because they feel they feel they get too much reward for too little input(Read: Unfair). Say, for example, the COD4 grenade launcher, the input is you aiming at their general vicinity, and the output is instant, unwaveringly, death. While every other loadout weapon in the game requires accurate aiming, you're taking the weapon that means you don't have to put in the input, so you shouldn't deserve the reward.
To blow this up to it's logical extreme, if a game had a 'kill everyone' button (God knows why), it could be the best game in existence (bar the button), but the existence of the button would still be there. Is it fair to use that button when everyone else has unbound the function and forgotten about it? More importantly, is it fun?
I myself have run into this kind of thing before, back in the pre-unlock days of TF2, I was an excellent demoman, but everything kind of felt a bit unfair. I mean it took skill to place and detonate stickies, but really it was unfair that I could just get extra kills because the stickybomb damage was too high. (Since I've not really played demo too much, been more of a soldier man.)
Point is, just because it's in a game doesn't mean it's nessisarily fair, or fun. While there's merit to the 'every resource' in the real world, games are not serious business. You CAN have fun without making others feel cheated.
/Rant.
I am definetly sick, I have a friend who says irl PWNED, FAIL, NOOB , YOU SUCK , YOU FAIL and I seriously want to punch him for it sometimes, it's so annoying, also he is stubborn and doesn't change his views on everything and when he realizes its wrong he still says he is right resorts to swearing and your mum jokes, then saying pwned immediatel after it so he can feel that he has won something.
Well, Martyrdom and all that, it does give you an advantage in one way or another.
"If you're in a fair fight, you didn't prepare well enough"
"If you're in a fair fight, you didn't prepare well enough"
I play nice and getting killed by people in "cheap" or "noobish" ways merely either makes me show how much better I am at the game by killing them the "fair" way, or just going with the old credo of "all's fair in love and war". I'm also a good enough sniper to piss many people off.
Nope, but then again I do not play on-line too often but when I do I really hate cheap weapons.
Please hit him. Tell him I said to, so that makes it alright. If he tells you it doesn't make it alright just resort to "your mum" jokes.poncho14 said:
i know what you mean about every game having overpowered stuff and the game giving it to you but all i do is snipe or use an AK47 (an amazing gun if you know how to shoot w/e anyone says) and i get seriously annoyed when i have to walk back about 5 steps on cod4 everytime i kill someone because they have martydrom or (btw i use a bolt-action sniper as it is the only decent one) i snipe someone and they have juggernaught and hide behind cover after i shoot them so i cant kill them and my assists rise constantly because of it. and stopping power does nothing against juggernaught every one who uses a sniper knows this all too well. only on hardcore does it make a difference
Can I hate something because of everyone seems to use it and can't live without it?
If so Cable from MvC2.
If so Cable from MvC2.
The Rockets are seldom used to hunt vehicles on Halo 3, since they lack both speed and homing function. They're a good last pitch, or on a straight-line course like Standoff. Other than that, they're anti-personnel.VanityGirl said:
The Missile Pods aren't bad at the job, but they aren't ideal for Banshees, Ghosts or Mongooses, which even an average driver/pilot can avoid them. They are a nice balance between the anti-vehicle and anti-personnel roles.
Anyway, point in fact is that the common vehicles (Mongooses, Warthogs, Ghosts) are easy to destroy on foot. Stickies take out all 3, with Brute spike grenades doing the most to Ghosts. BRing Warthog gunners is also easy, and it negates the damage.
And I doubt you could match my laser skills.
I rarely get frustrated by simple ingame mechanics, there is always a way to kill your opponent. whether he is using a powerful weapon or not... suprise is the element one should seek, after all it's never more satisfying to knife someone than when they're carrying a gun form of god in their hands... usually makes em ragequit after you get em multiple times in a row without them finding you...
only thing that frustrates me is people who glitch or use external "assistance" programs... also widely known as hacks and or macro tools... they irritate me.
I mean if you suck so badly at a game, that you have to resort to cheating to play... go play a board game or something...
only thing that frustrates me is people who glitch or use external "assistance" programs... also widely known as hacks and or macro tools... they irritate me.
I mean if you suck so badly at a game, that you have to resort to cheating to play... go play a board game or something...