Army of Two Producer Says Modern Warfare 2 Went Too Far

[fix-the-spade]

This may seem odd, but I found Army of Two more offensive than MW2.

There was something about two steroid pumped frat boys getting paid to murder people considered undersirable by that I found extremely grating. Although I found their hollering joy at the situation worse, at least in MW2 they were apparently aware they were doing an extremely dirty job.

 

[HitsWithStyxx]

What about the incredibly offensive douchebag protagonists of Army of Two?. That said, how the hell is that mission so controversial again? You've killed innocent people in many, many games, right? Just not in a CoD game before.

I don't think you quite understand where he's coming from. It's not that he thinks killing innocents in games is new and terrifying, but the fact that the vast majority of that mission revolves heavily around the brutal and merciless slaughter of unarmed and unsuspecting civilians.
I must admit that, even as a gamer who loved MW2 as an overall package, I was sickened by the tone and delivery of this level. Far too visceral to be enjoyable.

 

[The Austin]

Reading these comments makes me suspect I may in fact be the only person on these forums to have thoroughly enjoyed Army of Two.

Indeed. I truly loved Army of Two, and I cant wait for the sequel.

And I also suspect that half of these people didn't even read the article considering the forum goes something like this:

Article: "I think it was to far, but they did a good job"

Commenter: "Your game sucks fagot what do you know about a good game like COD?!"

 

[bad rider]

I wan't paying attention to the context of that scene, so forgive me if i get this wrong. Aren't you an undercover operative who has infiltrated a gang, If so. What kind of superior or person you report to says. Yeah sure don't worry just tag along with the whole "mass murder thing" we'll wait until they commit something of interest.

My understanding of the scene must be wrong. Otherwise this is the worst plot ever.

 

[morpher80]

I can not believe this guy is complaining. Before you even start stroy mode in CoD you get an option to skip missions because of how graphic they are.

 

[Therumancer]

Actually if you want to get technical I don't think IW went quite far enough overall. I think people very much need to see how war is not an antiseptic business. Learn that both war is nessicary, but also what it takes to win.

Given that you don't even nessicarly need to do any damage in the "Terrorist scene" (as we found out after the fact) I think it inherantly loses a lot of impact.


Also the comments from Army Of Two's people feel a bit hollow given that they were accused of producing a game that was an immature American power fantasy, which to me was part of the appeal. I'd imagine by semi-pointing fingers here they are hoping to overcome some of the criticism they themselves received over content.

 

[RatRace123]

It's only going too far because it forced people to think differently than, well

"AMERICA, F*CK YEAH!"

 

[MurderousToaster]

So going to far is good now....?

That means saw 7 will be entertaining now.

And Saw 83 which will be released in February 2010.

 

[one eyed monster]

That game designer sounds like a pussy.

The whole concept of the GTA is to kill innocent people and now because MW2 does it, it makes it horribly controversial?

No.

I think everyone thinks that the terrorist scene in cod 6 is horrible because the civilians is acting more realistic than in GTA , begging for mercy, screaming and running for their lives.....

 

[Slaanax]

Reading these comments makes me suspect I may in fact be the only person on these forums to have thoroughly enjoyed Army of Two.

I enjoyed it so that makes at least 2 of us.

 

[Shru1kan]

People need to learn that just because you have a potential soapbox, doesn't mean that you have to use it.

I'm sick of all these producers / directors / whatever hurling mud at other companies for publicity. And then this guy stays on the fence. "He went too far but it was a good thing." The hell does he accomplish by that other than advertising his incompetence as a speaker as well as a producer?

 

[Cyberjester]

That game designer sounds like a pussy.

The whole concept of the GTA is to kill innocent people and now because MW2 does it, it makes it horribly controversial?

No.

Er, no, its not. The point of GTA is to kill various gangsters, thugs, and associated goons. They just don't stop you killing innocent people.

No, actually. You're a gangster taking over a city. Casualties include old ladies armed with uzi's. If you've played a GTA game before, you've killed a civilian. Guaranteed. Or, if you're reallllllllllly careful not to, then you've killed them anyway from a gang fight, drug dealing, etc, etc, etc. If it was just killing gangsters then it wouldn't be as controversial.


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[Syndef]

So Turner gives IW a compliment...and is now getting flak for it?

 

[Deleted]

What about the incredibly offensive douchebag protagonists of Army of Two?. That said, how the hell is that mission so controversial again? You've killed innocent people in many, many games, right? Just not in a CoD game before.

^ Missed the point.

He was giving props to IW.

 

[Doug]

That game designer sounds like a pussy.

The whole concept of the GTA is to kill innocent people and now because MW2 does it, it makes it horribly controversial?

No.

Er, no, its not. The point of GTA is to kill various gangsters, thugs, and associated goons. They just don't stop you killing innocent people.

No, actually. You're a gangster taking over a city. Casualties include old ladies armed with uzi's. If you've played a GTA game before, you've killed a civilian. Guaranteed. Or, if you're reallllllllllly careful not to, then you've killed them anyway from a gang fight, drug dealing, etc, etc, etc. If it was just killing gangsters then it wouldn't be as controversial.


Edited to clean up quotes.

O...k. I don't see how I was wrong - I didn't say you won't kill civilians (speaking of which, its kind of odd a 'gang sim' features civilians when most FPS's don't), I just say that wasn't the point of the game. Theotirically, if you are extremely careful, you'll kill only gang members and people trying to shoot you...unlikely, but statistically possible .

 

[Lullabye]

......i never got how this "went to far". WoW! omg your a bad guy hurting civilians! Whoa, how hardcore! seriously, the japanese eroge games industry is more mature than this. And thats often marketed to teens. Why oh why do people insisit on judging the moral implicications of other games.

 

[Cyberjester]

That game designer sounds like a pussy.

The whole concept of the GTA is to kill innocent people and now because MW2 does it, it makes it horribly controversial?

No.

Er, no, its not. The point of GTA is to kill various gangsters, thugs, and associated goons. They just don't stop you killing innocent people.

No, actually. You're a gangster taking over a city. Casualties include old ladies armed with uzi's. If you've played a GTA game before, you've killed a civilian. Guaranteed. Or, if you're reallllllllllly careful not to, then you've killed them anyway from a gang fight, drug dealing, etc, etc, etc. If it was just killing gangsters then it wouldn't be as controversial.


Edited to clean up quotes.

O...k. I don't see how I was wrong - I didn't say you won't kill civilians (speaking of which, its kind of odd a 'gang sim' features civilians when most FPS's don't), I just say that wasn't the point of the game. Theotirically, if you are extremely careful, you'll kill only gang members and people trying to shoot you...unlikely, but statistically possible .

lol. I try not to kill civilians, simply because I can't be bothered dealing with the cops. =P But I always manage to get a few each game. It's reallllllllllly hard not to. And it is the point of the game. =P It's main selling point is how hardcore it is because you can beat up an old lady. Who pulls an uzi on you...

......i never got how this "went to far". WoW! omg your a bad guy hurting civilians! Whoa, how hardcore! seriously, the japanese eroge games industry is more mature than this. And thats often marketed to teens. Why oh why do people insisit on judging the moral implicications of other games.

Ummmm.. Entirely different. You're comparing the Japanese industry to a Western industry. Western world is built on those old ideals, chivalry and all that. Remember what your mummy told you? Hold the door open for a lady, be nice to kids, etc.
Japanese entertainment involves rape and torture of preteen girls in comic form... Completely different. I wouldn't necessarily call that more mature btw, twisted more like.

The producer of Army of Two: 40th Day said that Infinity Ward pushed the boundaries with the airport scene in MW2 and that he "wouldn't have done it."

Only one word can sum up Mr. Turner: Pussy

Heh.. Reading the interview on how Mr. Turner says that the games industry should push the boundaries and define itself as a mature industry. But he "wouldn't have done it". So he's really not what the games industry needs.

 

[Doug]

That game designer sounds like a pussy.

The whole concept of the GTA is to kill innocent people and now because MW2 does it, it makes it horribly controversial?

No.

Er, no, its not. The point of GTA is to kill various gangsters, thugs, and associated goons. They just don't stop you killing innocent people.

No, actually. You're a gangster taking over a city. Casualties include old ladies armed with uzi's. If you've played a GTA game before, you've killed a civilian. Guaranteed. Or, if you're reallllllllllly careful not to, then you've killed them anyway from a gang fight, drug dealing, etc, etc, etc. If it was just killing gangsters then it wouldn't be as controversial.


Edited to clean up quotes.

O...k. I don't see how I was wrong - I didn't say you won't kill civilians (speaking of which, its kind of odd a 'gang sim' features civilians when most FPS's don't), I just say that wasn't the point of the game. Theotirically, if you are extremely careful, you'll kill only gang members and people trying to shoot you...unlikely, but statistically possible .

lol. I try not to kill civilians, simply because I can't be bothered dealing with the cops. =P But I always manage to get a few each game. It's reallllllllllly hard not to. And it is the point of the game. =P It's main selling point is how hardcore it is because you can beat up an old lady. Who pulls an uzi on you...

Again.... the killing of civilians ISN'T the POINT or rather GOAL of the game, its what ends up happening because there everywhere in the city, and frankly sticking to the roads is too slow, but I don't recall the 'murder 500 civilian's' mission (I recall a 'cause shit loads of damage and/or dead' mission in Vice City, but that was very wierd). As for the old lady with an uzi, I don't recall her - I recall the drug dealing child hating old lady with the ice cream business though

 

[Cyberjester]

That game designer sounds like a pussy.

The whole concept of the GTA is to kill innocent people and now because MW2 does it, it makes it horribly controversial?

No.

Er, no, its not. The point of GTA is to kill various gangsters, thugs, and associated goons. They just don't stop you killing innocent people.

No, actually. You're a gangster taking over a city. Casualties include old ladies armed with uzi's. If you've played a GTA game before, you've killed a civilian. Guaranteed. Or, if you're reallllllllllly careful not to, then you've killed them anyway from a gang fight, drug dealing, etc, etc, etc. If it was just killing gangsters then it wouldn't be as controversial.


Edited to clean up quotes.

O...k. I don't see how I was wrong - I didn't say you won't kill civilians (speaking of which, its kind of odd a 'gang sim' features civilians when most FPS's don't), I just say that wasn't the point of the game. Theotirically, if you are extremely careful, you'll kill only gang members and people trying to shoot you...unlikely, but statistically possible .

lol. I try not to kill civilians, simply because I can't be bothered dealing with the cops. =P But I always manage to get a few each game. It's reallllllllllly hard not to. And it is the point of the game. =P It's main selling point is how hardcore it is because you can beat up an old lady. Who pulls an uzi on you...

Again.... the killing of civilians ISN'T the POINT or rather GOAL of the game, its what ends up happening because there everywhere in the city, and frankly sticking to the roads is too slow, but I don't recall the 'murder 500 civilian's' mission (I recall a 'cause shit loads of damage and/or dead' mission in Vice City, but that was very wierd). As for the old lady with an uzi, I don't recall her - I recall the drug dealing child hating old lady with the ice cream business though

Not sure.. I just accidentally clipped this old lady with a car once so she pulled out an uzi and wasted me. It was an interesting moment of my gaming life, after which I generally avoided civilians.

There's always those 'cause massive damage and fatalities' in all the GTA's I've played. Vice City, San Andreas and most of the PSP ones. And some which involve doing drive-bys (?) on properties which are surrounded by civilians.

Yes, they generally don't specifically state "kill xxx civilians", but they die quite a lot anyway. It's like a given part of the game.