Arrested ArmA 3 Devs Denied Appeal for Espionage Charges
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Doesn't the US forbid people taking pictures of Area 51?
Either way, although I might not like it, if it's the Greek law than so be it. Photographing military equipment of other nations is generally not a good plan. Is 20 years insane? In my opinion yes, but I didn't write Greek law. The Greece did - so abide to it when in their nation.
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Either way, although I might not like it, if it's the Greek law than so be it. Photographing military equipment of other nations is generally not a good plan. Is 20 years insane? In my opinion yes, but I didn't write Greek law. The Greece did - so abide to it when in their nation.
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Or, according to the signs, you get a 5000 dollar fine or a 1 year sentence.FelixG said:
Again, I too think that 20 years is too long, but it's their nation and their laws.
It's always depressing to hear of possible failures in the justice system, even if it is in another country... I do hope something gets done about this. Although I doubt it. They'll probably burn them at the stake to show that they "don't go easy on spying charges" or some nonsense.
First of all, all satellite pictures are censored before they end up in public like google maps. So no good intelligence will come from google maps, or any non-military satellite photo. Also most army bases have intricate camouflage protection that will confuse someone looking from a photo.FelixG said:
Espionage with a camera on the other hand can figure, how many guards there are on a specific time on the base. At what time they change positions etc. What kind of military exercises happened at what time. Also what kind of response will they get when they violate the perimeter. All these are golden information for any enemy military.
That's why around military bases there are restricted areas. No civilians can approach such areas. Near the army bases there are also signs of no photos/video allowed nearby.
When they find two foreign guys in a restricted area taking video with no specific reason to do this. And when they find that they are related with military training software company. This raises a problem!
Also the base they where photographing, is a NATO base. This means that any UN laws conflict with military NATO laws. This means that this spying, is not only problem for the Greece, but for the NATO military also. Remember that Greece is the border for the EU and this isn't something to take lightly.
You can understand that this is something more that "two guys shot a video".
It has elevated into "two spies threaten the security of NATO military bases"
Think of it like the Area 52 in the US.
You tell me. Have you been paying attention to the name of the party that enjoys the support of almost one in four Greeks [http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/16/u-s-embassy-in-greece-warns-of-rise-in-unprovoked-violent-attacks-on-foreigners-as-neo-nazi-group-grows/]?DVS BSTrD said:
AC130's cannot affect ArmA Devs,we have to get a normal C130 and use the bomber script on it.Matt Dellar said:
Hell,let's just spawn a fuckton of Spetsnaz in front of the court,and set the devs as allies and the rest as..
I'm really getting carried away...
Anyway,I;m really worried,and angry.this is complete and utter bullshit,Greece can't seem to do anything right nowadays.
Hopefully everything ends up going their way And a horrible slow,painful fiery death for the accusers
Capthca:Foul play.
You said it mate...
This REALLY sucks. 20 years for this? REALLY? That's just insane. I can understand a fine, or MAYBE up to a year tops. But 20?! That's ridiculous.
I really hope they get out of this. It's terrible. They don't deserve that. They really really don't.
Well put.
I really hope they get out of this. It's terrible. They don't deserve that. They really really don't.
Boom. Headshot at 600 miles with a sniper rifle. Aaaand down it goes!madster11 said:
Well put.
At the time, the Czech government alleged that the men knowingly entered an area that was off-limits. Bohemia Interactive stated that the accusations were "completely false and without substance", saying that the developers were in public areas when they were taking the footage.
I don't get it. The CZECH government accused the developers or trespassing into Greek off-limits areas? Are not the developers czech too? Why would the Czech government make allegations that incriminate its citizens while they're in custody in another country? Are you sure is not a mistake in the article?
I don't get it. The CZECH government accused the developers or trespassing into Greek off-limits areas? Are not the developers czech too? Why would the Czech government make allegations that incriminate its citizens while they're in custody in another country? Are you sure is not a mistake in the article?
That may be the single strongest yet funniest rebuttal I've seen on any forum, ever.madster11 said:What, you mean this island?
[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/islandm.jpg/]
With this 'military' base?
[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/airporte.jpg/]
And these bomber targets?
[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/201/airplanes.jpg/]
Yeah. Bullshit charges from a bullshit country. Australia is just as likely to be invaded in this day and age, and also has a combined military/regular airport. Want me to go take my DSLR and get some pictures of the tail numbers on some F/A-18s?
I can, you know. It's because my government aren't fucking tards and know anybody who goes to war can afford to get some, you know, satellite images or perhaps some long range photos from a nearby mountain. Or a small child with a pen (crayon) camera.
Here, have a picture of our hangers in incredibly high detail:
[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/hiluxh.jpg/]
Do you know why we don't care about pictures of our bases?
Because we have these things called 'radar' and 'SAM's and because any retard can find satellite images of 99.9% of the earth for free, let alone buying them from companies who don't care if they're not meant to take pictures of certain areas. Why the hell would you send 2 random guys with a video camera to get your information? What purpose could that serve, to then leave the incriminating files un-encrypted on their video camera instead of swallowing a MicroSD card or 5?
No. Apparently common sense goes out the window when paranoid idiots are in power. This is nothing but scapegoating so the government LOOKS like they're actually doing something, yet it's backfired because now the whole world is going to search for this mythical air base and suddenly people who got back from holiday are going to go 'Hey! I have a pic of that place! Imma put it on facebook!'.
I award you as many internets as would fill the volume of your enormous balls and brain.
Captcha: "Make my day". Yes, you did.
I'm pretty sure it's okay to be angry at a country when it imprisons 2 guys for doing something that you can do on Google right now.ischmalud said:
And I know for a fact that not everyone on this board is American.
You sir, have won the internet. Truly the best response I've seen.madster11 said:What, you mean this island?albino boo said:
[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/islandm.jpg/]
With this 'military' base?
[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/airporte.jpg/]
And these bomber targets?
[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/201/airplanes.jpg/]
Yeah. Bullshit charges from a bullshit country. Australia is just as likely to be invaded in this day and age, and also has a combined military/regular airport. Want me to go take my DSLR and get some pictures of the tail numbers on some F/A-18s?
I can, you know. It's because my government aren't fucking tards and know anybody who goes to war can afford to get some, you know, satellite images or perhaps some long range photos from a nearby mountain. Or a small child with a pen (crayon) camera.
Here, have a picture of our hangers in incredibly high detail:
[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/hiluxh.jpg/]
Do you know why we don't care about pictures of our bases?
Because we have these things called 'radar' and 'SAM's and because any retard can find satellite images of 99.9% of the earth for free, let alone buying them from companies who don't care if they're not meant to take pictures of certain areas. Why the hell would you send 2 random guys with a video camera to get your information? What purpose could that serve, to then leave the incriminating files un-encrypted on their video camera instead of swallowing a MicroSD card or 5?
No. Apparently common sense goes out the window when paranoid idiots are in power. This is nothing but scapegoating so the government LOOKS like they're actually doing something, yet it's backfired because now the whole world is going to search for this mythical air base and suddenly people who got back from holiday are going to go 'Hey! I have a pic of that place! Imma put it on facebook!'.
I would assume that, since the families are not getting critical of the Czech government's response to this, the Czech government might be trying to pass the blame in order to draw attention away from the ineffectiveness of their response (their response so far, anyways; for all we know, they might try something more effective later on).ashertaz said:
They weren't in a restricted area, they were driving on the road next to the airport. Because the military base is connected to the airport, they got some footage of the hangers in the background and as such when their cameras were searched at a later date they were arrested.Thedutchjelle said:
Do you know how Australia solves this problem?
With an innovative product know as...
'Trees'.
Yes they do. This is because Area 51 houses billions upon billions of dollars of top secret aircraft that aren't mean to exist. It's also because Area 51 isn't situated right next to a bloody major airport.Thedutchjelle said:
Area 51 is home to many secret projects, including a next generation bomber that's rumored to be so stealthy it cannot be picked up by even an AEGIS system that's running at full power.
So, the US has a much greater reason to arrest people. Do you know what they actually do? They show up, maybe delete the pictures/video from your memory card or take the card itself, and then they tell you to go away. Sometimes the local sheriff will give you a $600 fine.
They don't arrest you and give you a 20 year jail sentence, and remember this is the country with the NDAA.
This is terrible, and another example of law being applied for its own sake, not for any pursuit of justice.
The law common among a great many countries is that what is viewable from the public space is legal to photograph, regardless if anything that is viewable is physically on private space. To have law which says otherwise would make public living not only unmanageable but also incredibly unjust, perhaps threatening decades of imprisonment for innocent people.
The law common among a great many countries is that what is viewable from the public space is legal to photograph, regardless if anything that is viewable is physically on private space. To have law which says otherwise would make public living not only unmanageable but also incredibly unjust, perhaps threatening decades of imprisonment for innocent people.