As metalheads, is it compulsory that we must hate?
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rammstine, has no deeper lyrics. A lot of metal doesnt, but ramstain is industrial metal - meaning , bands like those concentrate on technical sound a lot more than on anything else. Then you have your Power Metal - where lyrics are used to bring imagery, to be practicly poems in their own right with clear lyrics (Hammerfall, Falconer, Blind Guardian and many others). Only genre of metal that oten uses more complex lyrics is Black Metal. Real black metal for that matter. Black Metal is one hardest to define - but as it stands, it is generaly agreed to be the most spiritual music currently in existence. Because, in order for it to be called black metal by the scene, there is a lot that must be there.And yes sometimes, black metal has deeper meaning in lyrics than you see on first glace, but other time, it is just, a WW2 tank crushing a person.RathWolf said:
Hahahaha Just don't do it again!RathWolf said:
Or by Christ I'll get Behemoth down do fast on you it'll make your hat spin!
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Naw I'm just messin with ya.
But your point on probably just hearing the one kind of metal reminds me of a friend of mine.
Lovely girl, beautiful, smart, funny.
Says she's been taken to a couple of death metal concerts so therefor she knows everthing about metal and it's all just screaming.
Now your not even as close to as bad as her, this is just entertaining to me=p
Personally I don't have a problem with a specific Genre,[footnote] (although in retrospect I probably won't listen to Anomaly and that genre of metal)[/footnote] I have more of a problem with the "commercial music". The music that isn't written by the artists themselves, but by a "cheesy love song"-generation machine. Pretty much every boyband/girlband/one hit wonder (looking at you miss Beaver) and Britney Spears song. But if those artists were to start writing their own songs I might actually listen to it. And if I still don't like it, the artist will at least have my respect.
I have a friend who likes metal, and doesn't really seem to like any other genre. And by "doesn't like" I mean it seems like he wants all the other genres to die in a fire. He actually has an account here and he'll probably reply to this thread, so I'll let him talk for himself, but to me it seems like "metal heads" have trouble giving other genres a chance.
I have a friend who likes metal, and doesn't really seem to like any other genre. And by "doesn't like" I mean it seems like he wants all the other genres to die in a fire. He actually has an account here and he'll probably reply to this thread, so I'll let him talk for himself, but to me it seems like "metal heads" have trouble giving other genres a chance.
Okay maybe underground was to strong a word, let's just say less mainstream.Vodka Dude said:
But on your point on metal is dead, I don't think so.
There is still some good metal being made but I think it's evolving more than anything.
I hate what it's becoming, the motherfucking Grind-core and all the other cores.
It's just....
Blah!
Granted they do have a few jems but there is a lot of mucus too.
I mostly listen to metal, but outside of metal I mostly listen to Classical (mostly Mozart and Bach) Queen and Micheal Jackson. There isn't much I can say i despise. Mostly just things that are sleazy, simple, or feel like it was thrown out to make money (most rap or pop).
Well, I sure like metal, but I like rock, some electric shit (look up the Half-Life 2 OST, and do it now), and.... mostly that's it, with a few things from the 30s (and of course Louis Armstrong - this kind of music suits the omnicide you commit in games very well)
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On the surface they may 'just be talking about graphic violence and/or sex' but if you look into the meaning there is more then that. For example the Disturbed song 'Down With the Sickness' in the middle of the song he breaks to talk about an abusive mother who's child she abused eventually raging back at her and killing her. Now on the face it's juts talk about two people beating each other, but the whole thing is a metaphor in which the 'mother' is 'society' and the 'child' is all the misfits that society puts down and oppresses.RathWolf said:
I think it's because metal is not simply sidelined by both mainstream and music press, it's actively derided from both sides; to those above in the pantheon of 'intellect', we are leather-studded knuckle trailers, headbanging along to mindless repetitive noise, whereas to those below us we are violent Satan-worshipping thugs.
That kind of constant abuse and ignorance tends to make one more aggressive, which is why I've always felt, as a 20-year metalhead, we owe it to ourselves to be as open and welcoming to other musical styles as possible, and to try to meet ignorance with inclusion.
I, for example, like 3 Rihanna songs and 1 Lady Gaga chorus, and I'm not ashamed to say it!
That kind of constant abuse and ignorance tends to make one more aggressive, which is why I've always felt, as a 20-year metalhead, we owe it to ourselves to be as open and welcoming to other musical styles as possible, and to try to meet ignorance with inclusion.
I, for example, like 3 Rihanna songs and 1 Lady Gaga chorus, and I'm not ashamed to say it!
Don't be silly, I listen to classical, jazz, classic rock, 80's rock and pop, alt rock, reggae, motown, japanese classical, techno, punk, industrial, 90's gangsta rap, prog rock, even a little country, and the hardest metal I can get my hands on. Hell, I'll even tolerate a little Lady Gaga. I'm a huge Tom Waits fan. I love U2, and they're pretty much the most 'mainstream' rock gets. Metal is first for me, but there's no reason I shouldn't enjoy many different types of music. Sure there's always fad groups, but a lot of times music is mainstream because its good.
I mean how much more mainstream do you get than Mozart? That guy WAS pop music in his day.
I mean how much more mainstream do you get than Mozart? That guy WAS pop music in his day.
I've been a metal head for awhile(since i was 15) and i've noticed that people from all walks of life hate things, in fact you could say hate draws people together, i almost garuntee you all metal heads hate the kids bop songs, wjust think about your friends, does'nt your hatered of that particular band/movie/politician draw you that much closer. not to say that a great love (i.e. metal) cant also be a majorly contributing factor. humanity's duality is complex.
I've heard people call this metal elitism. But in my experience its usually about what's considered proper metal and what's supposedly emo crap, which basically comes down to which genre of metal you like. There is a tendency to praise thrash and death metal and doom metal and so on, but metalcore or nu metal might as well just be pop music.
Eg, yesterday I said 'I'm in a band, our influences are metallica, lamb of god, slipknot and avenged sevenfold. So someone says avenged sevenfold are supposedly 'the metal equivalent of a boy band' and then somebody said that reading that made them laugh like a retard. Because they play music more excessable than most metal they must be talentless pussies? What complete Bullshit, Syn would hammer anyone else at guitar, M shadows is a great singer (even if he doesn't scream or growl, at least not any more,) and the bassist is better than I'll ever be.
Anyways, rant over. Its saying that something isn't metal just because it doesn't fit your specific view of what metal should be like that annoys me. I've heard pretty much every type of metal criticised in this way; which seems stupid. Surely variety within the genre is good and we can't expect every band to sound the same? That would suck.
I find most metalheads are actually fairly accepting of other musicians even if they don't like the music. And we are not violent/aggressive particularly, its just that moshing people get carried away. They are usually apologetic about it afterwards.
Eg, yesterday I said 'I'm in a band, our influences are metallica, lamb of god, slipknot and avenged sevenfold. So someone says avenged sevenfold are supposedly 'the metal equivalent of a boy band' and then somebody said that reading that made them laugh like a retard. Because they play music more excessable than most metal they must be talentless pussies? What complete Bullshit, Syn would hammer anyone else at guitar, M shadows is a great singer (even if he doesn't scream or growl, at least not any more,) and the bassist is better than I'll ever be.
Anyways, rant over. Its saying that something isn't metal just because it doesn't fit your specific view of what metal should be like that annoys me. I've heard pretty much every type of metal criticised in this way; which seems stupid. Surely variety within the genre is good and we can't expect every band to sound the same? That would suck.
I find most metalheads are actually fairly accepting of other musicians even if they don't like the music. And we are not violent/aggressive particularly, its just that moshing people get carried away. They are usually apologetic about it afterwards.
Everyone hates. It is human nature. It wouldn't matter what you enjoyed doing or listening to, you would still instinctively assume your preference is the superior one and all else is rubbish. Of course, it is then your hoice whether or not to examine that notion and act on it or not, but that's really up to you. It's got nothing to do with your musical tastes.
I enjoy a LOT of varied music, and I like metal too. I can't see that liking metal had done anything for me as a person except perhaps give me another topic of conversation and entertainment with friends.
The only thing I find odd is: why all the divisions of genre in metal music? That is, symphonic, drone, death, industrial etc. And why the insistance upon them? I can enjoy everything from Nile to Nightwish to Rammstein to Amon Amarth; why are there so many genres? As far as I can see, metal is a genre typically defined by a loud, consistent volume and beat. It is typically dominated by electric guitars, played with a singular level of skill, and bands within the genre often pride themselves on their unique vocal abilities. I'm generalising, but you get my gist. So why the divisions?
I enjoy a LOT of varied music, and I like metal too. I can't see that liking metal had done anything for me as a person except perhaps give me another topic of conversation and entertainment with friends.
The only thing I find odd is: why all the divisions of genre in metal music? That is, symphonic, drone, death, industrial etc. And why the insistance upon them? I can enjoy everything from Nile to Nightwish to Rammstein to Amon Amarth; why are there so many genres? As far as I can see, metal is a genre typically defined by a loud, consistent volume and beat. It is typically dominated by electric guitars, played with a singular level of skill, and bands within the genre often pride themselves on their unique vocal abilities. I'm generalising, but you get my gist. So why the divisions?
Well actually most things that aren't associated with Pop usually hate it so Metal fans are not alone in this regard. Also you know Metal is very mainstream now thanks to the NWOBHM that happened a good few years ago. Although there were plenty of other things I think this really helped push metal along into the mainstream.
Part of it is that Metal prides itself on being one of the most skillful genres of music. I don't know any metalheads who actually hate jazz, though they may not like it. Mainstream music these days has lost the skill that music used to have, even half of the singers are auto-tuned now.