Ask a gun owner something.

[Mathurin]

Do gun owners feel threatened in some way??? Why else would you buy a gun in a rich western country? I mean your not residing in the Congo are you?

Its an interesting question
People own guns for multiple reasons.
Personally I feel that without an armed population a nation is vulnerable, both to foreign powers and to the internal power-hungry

And I generally enjoy shooting, much as some enjoy their sports

 

[Mathurin]

under-barrel magazines are common as well, but yeah, mine is a 10-22 and uses detachable magazines.

Cool, how long does it take you to slide a new magazine in? 20 seconds maybe?

Never timed it, its pretty quick, though reloading the magazine is somewhat more annoying that reloading tube mags

They dont make buckshot for .22, they make birdshot, and yeah, pretty much all .22s can use the birdshot round, but its kinda useless

Oh, ok. Well, I wiki-ed it, and "birdshot" just looks like a small buckshot round.

I hate to sound like one of the other posters here but I want you to understand.

"Shot" is what the call lots of small projectiles coming from the barrel (hence: shot-gun)
buckshot is shot intended to kill deer, or other large animals, it is generally very large shot
Birdshot is very small shot
The shot in a .22 shotshell is even smaller than standard birdshot

So it is a shotshell, but not buckshot
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=178005

While cool in concept, they really arent that useful, good for snakes maybe.

it was an AK-74, shoots a 5.45mm round, but I have fired stronger than that, the 7.62X39 is not so strong really.

My bad, see edit

Anyhow, the 7.62mm looks quite large for an assault rifle round. Doesn't a Mosin Nagant fire a similar round, just longer?

P.S. How good is a Mosin Nagant? Those guns are so stylish, yet practical, if a little powerful.

The 7.62 was of the first commonly used assault rifle rounds, so it is alittle more powerful than the current versions.

Yes, the mosin nagant fires a 7.62X54.


I like my mosin, its a decently accurate and very inexpensive rifle, I can use it and abuse it and not worry about damaging its value.

haha the ratshot does minimal damage so it's all good.
yeah mosin nagants are russian, but the Finn's and Romanians adopted them and built copies with varying degree of quality.
the carbines have 20" barrels and permanent bayonets that flip forward haha. popular brush guns.

you do use a bench when zeroing in, yeah?

Oh those Russians and their wildly popular guns.

I can't imagine a bayonet having much use when it comes to target shooting or hunting, unless you're planning to get some friends together and organize a bayonet charge of a deer herd. You wouldn't want to dull the bayonet by using it to forge a trail through the brush.

Not usually, I usually fire from the shoulder when standing, and occasionally, from a prone position. I once tried using a skateboard as a bipod when I was at my redneck cousins house. It worked surprisingly well.

The russians understood the concept of battlefield accuracy combined with simplicity really well.
Their soldiers were mostly conscripted peasants anyway, the guns had to be robust. And while modern rifle makers are talking about MOA accuracy and making finely engineered weapons, the russians were cranking out reliable guns that can hit a human body at battlefield ranges reliably.

Its a spike bayonet, so it wont cut brush, and no its not very useful, but I see no reason to cut it off

Some mosins are zeroed at the factory with bayonet fixed (russian SOP was to keep the bayonet fixed at all times, except when riding in a vehicle) so some rifles shoot differently without the bayonet fixed. It doesnt seem to affect mine.

Pretty much, but the difference is bigger than you think.

Is the slug more or less the same? Just more propellant? I assume the third from the right is a tracer round? What does the green paint indicate?

I'm gonna try my gun knowledge skills here and name the rounds from left to right. Expect most of my guesses to be wrong, as I'm trying without Wikipedia or any assistance at all

9mm round, .45 caliber round, .50 caliber AE round, 5.56mm round, 7.62x39mm round, 7.62x56mm round.

Yeah, that was probably a big fail, I was pretty much going on my knowledge from modding games.

What's the kick like on a Mosin? Does it leave a mark on your shoulder?

Mosin will make your shoulder sore, maybe alittle red, I never put a buttpad on it, just something badass about having a steel buttplate, makes you want to bash skulls or something.

What are your thoughts on the Ruger Mini-14? I'm considering buying one of those later on.

I have never fired one, but they look like dandy guns, based on the old M1 Garand action you know, its hard to go wrong with ruger whatever you choose.

 

[Slayer_2]

I hate to sound like one of the other posters here but I want you to understand.

"Shot" is what the call lots of small projectiles coming from the barrel (hence: shot-gun)
buckshot is shot intended to kill deer, or other large animals, it is generally very large shot
Birdshot is very small shot
The shot in a .22 shotshell is even smaller than standard birdshot

So it is a shotshell, but not buckshot
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=178005

While cool in concept, they really arent that useful, good for snakes maybe.

The design seems very similar. A cartridge packed with propellant, and a bunch of small metal balls at the front of the cartridge. They look different, sure, but the concept is pretty much the same, just scaled down.

The russians understood the concept of battlefield accuracy combined with simplicity really well.
Their soldiers were mostly conscripted peasants anyway, the guns had to be robust. And while modern rifle makers are talking about MOA accuracy and making finely engineered weapons, the russians were cranking out reliable guns that can hit a human body at battlefield ranges reliably.

It's probably inarguable that the AK-47 is one of the most famous weapons of all time. Some of my friends refer to all automatic rifles as "AK's".

Its a spike bayonet, so it wont cut brush, and no its not very useful, but I see no reason to cut it off

Cut it off? can't you just unscrew it or something? I mean, a bayonet is badass and all, but I can't imagine wanting one on my weapon when I'm target shooting.

Mosin will make your shoulder sore, maybe alittle red, I never put a buttpad on it, just something badass about having a steel buttplate, makes you want to bash skulls or something.

Lovely. Well, if zombies ever attack, I've changed my plan. I'm driving to Kansas, as they have even more guns then Texas.

 

[clutch-monkey]

[ Cut it off? can't you just unscrew it or something? I mean, a bayonet is badass and all, but I can't imagine wanting one on my weapon when I'm target shooting.

it doesn't interfere with your shooting when it's folded back. if anything the added weight helps stability.

 

[Mathurin]

The bayonet lug is welded to the barrel, there seems to be some kind of screw where the joint attaches the lug to the bayonet, but its not really worth dealing with, the weight is no big deal.

 

[Katana314]

Slightly more of a game design preferences question.

If you played a game that was very tactics-focused and meant to be very realistic, would you personally mind if the guns involved were in no way based on real life counterparts and didn't even look mechanically possible? (say, some sort of ergonomically-designed shoulder-mounted assault rifle with a scope on the left side)
I just ask because this does occasionally seem to be the rationale for games like Call of Duty to use real guns like the classic M4A1, AK47, P90, etc.

 

[Slayer_2]

I suppose, I guess a little bayonet doesn't weigh much.

 

[clutch-monkey]

^ yep you're not going to cut yourself on it when it's folded back or anything either.

Slightly more of a game design preferences question.

If you played a game that was very tactics-focused and meant to be very realistic, would you personally mind if the guns involved were in no way based on real life counterparts and didn't even look mechanically possible? (say, some sort of ergonomically-designed shoulder-mounted assault rifle with a scope on the left side)
I just ask because this does occasionally seem to be the rationale for games like Call of Duty to use real guns like the classic M4A1, AK47, P90, etc.

no, i actually like seeing outlandish gun designs although i'd prefer they be somewhat feasible haha.
i don't see why a game has to be realistic just because the weapons are rendered realistically lol. that's often just a style choice?

 

[Mathurin]

Slightly more of a game design preferences question.

If you played a game that was very tactics-focused and meant to be very realistic, would you personally mind if the guns involved were in no way based on real life counterparts and didn't even look mechanically possible? (say, some sort of ergonomically-designed shoulder-mounted assault rifle with a scope on the left side)
I just ask because this does occasionally seem to be the rationale for games like Call of Duty to use real guns like the classic M4A1, AK47, P90, etc.

Not really, its just a game

However, if they base the firearm on a real world firearm then it should approximate the firearm its based upon.

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

Seriously though why do you own a gun?Is it for hunting or self defence or a different reason?

All the above.
I live 10 miles from the nearest town, police response is 30 mins, calling the cops is not an option out here.

You can also call it a hobby of sorts, its great fun to practice shooting, its really very difficult to shoot accurately.

On the accuracy topic. Do you remeber how accurate you were the first time you fired a gun.

I remeber when i fisrt fired one, me and my step father went down to some old gravel pits and set up a couple of glass bottles. At 20 meters i fired 2 shots out of a Sig P210 (im pretty sure thats what it was) and went just over the bottle and just under the bottle. We would keep shooting but the cops were called.

Second time we went to a shooting range and it was gun nut paradice. We had about 3 .22 rifles, a russian AK-47 built in 1949 before China started mass producing them, a great classic gun, a ar-15, and 2 different double barrels. AT 100 meters i hit 92% of my shots o na 6 inch disk open sight.

That was a good day.

 

[Player 2]

I am a gun enthusiast of my own sort.
I hunt,shoot targets, and the like.
I would just like to know your opinion.
Is there a feasible reason to own a Desert Eagle?

Claiming to be an ornithologist should work.