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Gaiseric said:
What are the physical requirements for the British Armed Forces?

What do you think of the Marine Corps?

Any training tips for a guy getting himself ready to join the military?(running, stretches, workouts, shooting)

How does it feel to be awesome?
I would recomend a lot of distance running and strength training.

You need to be able to do a lot of pull-ups. Well, not a lot. Three is considered passing, and twenty is considered a perfect score.

Push-ups are a given. You must be able to do the elbows ninety degrees or less ones, or you're wasting your time.

Do a lot of sit-ups, crunches, bicycle kicks, leg-lifts, flutter-kicks (three count), v-ups, and cherry pickers.

Again, the running. You have to be able to do the three miles in eighteen minutes or less.

You can also supplement all of that with weight lifting at a gym.

I'm currently in training for my Marine option ROTC to commission as an officer in the United States Marine Corps. I get myself up everyday at 5:00 to do all of my calethstenics (push-ups, and all the other body-weight exercises I described), and I go for a run every other day (once or twice a week I do my eight-mile run). On top of that, I have lifting, lacrosse practices, and swim practices. My pull-up record is twenty-one, and my push-up record is one hundred three. My three-mile time is roughly seventeen-thirty.
 

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Totenkopf said:
Bonus question:
Have you ever fired a G36?
An Ex-Bundeswehr soldier told me that it is pretty flawed (since it wouldn't be able to penetrate a bullet-proof vest from a certain distance, and it's said to jam very often). I find this quite worrisome because it would probably be the weapon I'm using when I would really make it to the troop.
Well since the G-36 fires the 5.56x45 NATO round its going to have about the same capabilities as far as range and power as just about every other western militaries' standard issue rifle. The American M16, the British SA80, and the French FAMAS all use it. Its actually better at penetrating armor than the round of out usual adversaries which is the 7.62x39 soviet round. It has less powder despite being larger around which decreases it's penetration.
 

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The Man With the Soap said:
Gaiseric said:
What are the physical requirements for the British Armed Forces?

What do you think of the Marine Corps?

Any training tips for a guy getting himself ready to join the military?(running, stretches, workouts, shooting)

How does it feel to be awesome?
I would recomend a lot of distance running and strength training.

You need to be able to do a lot of pull-ups. Well, not a lot. Three is considered passing, and twenty is considered a perfect score.

Push-ups are a given. You must be able to do the elbows ninety degrees or less ones, or you're wasting your time.

Do a lot of sit-ups, crunches, bicycle kicks, leg-lifts, flutter-kicks (three count), v-ups, and cherry pickers.

Again, the running. You have to be able to do the three miles in eighteen minutes or less.

You can also supplement all of that with weight lifting at a gym.

I'm currently in training for my Marine option ROTC to commission as an officer in the United States Marine Corps. I get myself up everyday at 5:00 to do all of my calethstenics (push-ups, and all the other body-weight exercises I described), and I go for a run every other day (once or twice a week I do my eight-mile run). On top of that, I have lifting, lacrosse practices, and swim practices. My pull-up record is twenty-one, and my push-up record is one hundred three. My three-mile time is roughly seventeen-thirty.
I got a lot of work to do.
 
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Gaiseric said:
The Man With the Soap said:
Gaiseric said:
What are the physical requirements for the British Armed Forces?

What do you think of the Marine Corps?

Any training tips for a guy getting himself ready to join the military?(running, stretches, workouts, shooting)

How does it feel to be awesome?
I would recomend a lot of distance running and strength training.

You need to be able to do a lot of pull-ups. Well, not a lot. Three is considered passing, and twenty is considered a perfect score.

Push-ups are a given. You must be able to do the elbows ninety degrees or less ones, or you're wasting your time.

Do a lot of sit-ups, crunches, bicycle kicks, leg-lifts, flutter-kicks (three count), v-ups, and cherry pickers.

Again, the running. You have to be able to do the three miles in eighteen minutes or less.

You can also supplement all of that with weight lifting at a gym.

I'm currently in training for my Marine option ROTC to commission as an officer in the United States Marine Corps. I get myself up everyday at 5:00 to do all of my calethstenics (push-ups, and all the other body-weight exercises I described), and I go for a run every other day (once or twice a week I do my eight-mile run). On top of that, I have lifting, lacrosse practices, and swim practices. My pull-up record is twenty-one, and my push-up record is one hundred three. My three-mile time is roughly seventeen-thirty.
I got a lot of work to do.
You can do it. Just dig deep. Mind over matter. You'll be surprised what you can accomplish if you set your mind to something and do it without excuses. And, picture yourself in those Marine Corps dress blues. Oorah!
 

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You can do it. Just dig deep. Mind over matter. You'll be surprised what you can accomplish if you set your mind to something and do it without excuses. And, picture yourself in those Marine Corps dress blues. Oorah!
Thanks man. I'm just a little burnt out with exercise(started 3 years ago to lose weight and now most exercise is tedious). Doesn't help that I workout alone(Neither my brothers nor friends can run with me). I've made a lot of progress and started running recently at 4:30 am. It's the running that will take me ages because I'm a big guy and I've never been quick. Running 2 miles 4-5 times a week and got my time down from 28 to 21 min in about 4 weeks.

The link helps.
 
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Gaiseric said:
The Man With the Soap said:
You can do it. Just dig deep. Mind over matter. You'll be surprised what you can accomplish if you set your mind to something and do it without excuses. And, picture yourself in those Marine Corps dress blues. Oorah!
Thanks man. I'm just a little burnt out with exercise(started 3 years ago to lose weight and now most exercise is tedious). Doesn't help that I workout alone(Neither my brothers nor friends can run with me). I've made a lot of progress and started running recently at 4:30 am. It's the running that will take me ages because I'm a big guy and I've never been quick. Running 2 miles 4-5 times a week and got my time down from 28 to 21 min in about 4 weeks.

The link helps.
I never used to be that quick either, but it can be done. I'm 6' 1" 195 lbs, so I'm not the smallest guy ever, either. You can do it, man. Semper fi! Do or die!
 

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The Man With the Soap said:
Gaiseric said:
The Man With the Soap said:
You can do it. Just dig deep. Mind over matter. You'll be surprised what you can accomplish if you set your mind to something and do it without excuses. And, picture yourself in those Marine Corps dress blues. Oorah!
Thanks man. I'm just a little burnt out with exercise(started 3 years ago to lose weight and now most exercise is tedious). Doesn't help that I workout alone(Neither my brothers nor friends can run with me). I've made a lot of progress and started running recently at 4:30 am. It's the running that will take me ages because I'm a big guy and I've never been quick. Running 2 miles 4-5 times a week and got my time down from 28 to 21 min in about 4 weeks.

The link helps.
I never used to be that quick either, but it can be done. I'm 6' 1" 195 lbs, so I'm not the smallest guy ever, either. You can do it, man. Semper fi! Do or die!
I'll see you in the Corps then.
Thanks again buddy.
 
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Gaiseric said:
The Man With the Soap said:
Gaiseric said:
The Man With the Soap said:
You can do it. Just dig deep. Mind over matter. You'll be surprised what you can accomplish if you set your mind to something and do it without excuses. And, picture yourself in those Marine Corps dress blues. Oorah!
Thanks man. I'm just a little burnt out with exercise(started 3 years ago to lose weight and now most exercise is tedious). Doesn't help that I workout alone(Neither my brothers nor friends can run with me). I've made a lot of progress and started running recently at 4:30 am. It's the running that will take me ages because I'm a big guy and I've never been quick. Running 2 miles 4-5 times a week and got my time down from 28 to 21 min in about 4 weeks.

The link helps.
I never used to be that quick either, but it can be done. I'm 6' 1" 195 lbs, so I'm not the smallest guy ever, either. You can do it, man. Semper fi! Do or die!
I'll see you in the Corps then.
Thanks again buddy.
That I will. Just out of curiosity, are you looking to enlist or commission?
 

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Ubique said:
BlueMage said:
I understand that the (.au) military offers full engineering degrees (and an officer rank upon graduation) but how willing are they to take a slightly-older (mid to late twenties) individual who already has a degree or two.

For clarification, I'm an engineer (mechatronic, so mech and elec) by education and employment, but I have considered joining the military previously, just wanted to know if what I've already done counts for anything.
You only get a degree if you go through ADFA. If your degree meets the requirements you can apply as a graduate, which means you would skip ADFA and go directly to RMC. If you want more info checkout the aus military forums the people there know alot more than I do.
Dectomax said:
Ubique said:
the people there know alot more than I do.
They know more than me too!
Haha, thanks gents. Wouldn't have considered it before, but amazing what a recession (or almost-recession) can do to your ideas about employment, eh?
 

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The Man With the Soap said:
Gaiseric said:
The Man With the Soap said:
Gaiseric said:
The Man With the Soap said:
You can do it. Just dig deep. Mind over matter. You'll be surprised what you can accomplish if you set your mind to something and do it without excuses. And, picture yourself in those Marine Corps dress blues. Oorah!
Thanks man. I'm just a little burnt out with exercise(started 3 years ago to lose weight and now most exercise is tedious). Doesn't help that I workout alone(Neither my brothers nor friends can run with me). I've made a lot of progress and started running recently at 4:30 am. It's the running that will take me ages because I'm a big guy and I've never been quick. Running 2 miles 4-5 times a week and got my time down from 28 to 21 min in about 4 weeks.

The link helps.
I never used to be that quick either, but it can be done. I'm 6' 1" 195 lbs, so I'm not the smallest guy ever, either. You can do it, man. Semper fi! Do or die!
I'll see you in the Corps then.
Thanks again buddy.
That I will. Just out of curiosity, are you looking to enlist or commission?
Enlistment. To be honest I've only spoken to the recruiters a couple times and taken the practice test. So I'm not 100% on my options.
 

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Dectomax said:
Knusper said:
Dectomax said:
Knusper said:
How do you feel when you see people protesting against your work in Afghanistan? Guilty? Hateful? Unappreciated?
It's their right. I neither care, nor worry about these people.
Also, how frequently do you ever question an officer's orders? Are your opinions appreciated or is it still like how it was in the 19th century? I ask because because it happens all the time in my cadet force.
Our officers will ask for our opinions on the matter, but what they say still goes. though they may take our views into account.
Final question: What would you do if you were sent into a war that you didn't agree where you don't agree with the objectives/ morals?

Final Final Question: Have you ever served with the French Foreign Legion? I ask because my older brother is planning to join it in a couple of weeks.
 

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Dectomax said:
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I'm not sure how much sense this will make, but I'll ask anyway. How centralized or de-centralized is authority and responsibility in the British ranks? I'm asking from the perspective of someone in the US military and I've always heard that subordinates have less leeway in the British military than in the US military.

Gaiseric said:
Well, what would you want to do? (sorry if you stated this already)
 

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Knusper said:
Dectomax said:
Knusper said:
Dectomax said:
Knusper said:
How do you feel when you see people protesting against your work in Afghanistan? Guilty? Hateful? Unappreciated?
It's their right. I neither care, nor worry about these people.
Also, how frequently do you ever question an officer's orders? Are your opinions appreciated or is it still like how it was in the 19th century? I ask because because it happens all the time in my cadet force.
Our officers will ask for our opinions on the matter, but what they say still goes. though they may take our views into account.
Final question: What would you do if you were sent into a war that you didn't agree where you don't agree with the objectives/ morals?

Final Final Question: Have you ever served with the French Foreign Legion? I ask because my older brother is planning to join it in a couple of weeks.
First Question nope.

Second question; I would highly recommend against it. As great as it sounds, you will face periods of near starvation and They have one of the harshest regimes for training.
 

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LetalisK said:
Dectomax said:
quoted for reference
I'm not sure how much sense this will make, but I'll ask anyway. How centralized or de-centralized is authority and responsibility in the British ranks? I'm asking from the perspective of someone in the US military and I've always heard that subordinates have less leeway in the British military than in the US military.
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Our officers are the most respected part of our military. Orders come from them and those orders are followed. Though they value our opinion, what they say goes.
 

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Totenkopf said:
Bonus question:
Have you ever fired a G36?
An Ex-Bundeswehr soldier told me that it is pretty flawed (since it wouldn't be able to penetrate a bullet-proof vest from a certain distance, and it's said to jam very often). I find this quite worrisome because it would probably be the weapon I'm using when I would really make it to the troop.
having privately owned a g36 for many years, maybe i can answer that.
it is, as far as western assault rifles go, a very solid piece. penetration and stopping power are pretty lousy, as with everything that fires 5,56mm nato rounds. luckily the majority of majoirty of the enemies modern armies face nowadays don't have access to military grade body armor, so it's not that big a deal.
jamming is not really an issue, it's a lot more reliable then the amiercan m4/m16 things and others.
the main thing about it (and the reason the german army adopted it) is that it's really easy to shoot. like, totally easy. 5,56mm weapons are really pleasant to shoot anyway, but this thing takes it over the top. there is virtually NO recoil, it just kind of vibrates slightly. that was one of the big things it has going for it, even an complete idiot with only a little bit of training (and a little bit of training is very likely all you're going to get in the german army, having a huuuuge percentage of non-combat support troops that basicly don't touch their rifles anymore after the 3 months of bootcamp) can get pretty decent results at the range.
 

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Dectomax said:
LetalisK said:
Dectomax said:
quoted for reference
I'm not sure how much sense this will make, but I'll ask anyway. How centralized or de-centralized is authority and responsibility in the British ranks? I'm asking from the perspective of someone in the US military and I've always heard that subordinates have less leeway in the British military than in the US military.
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Our officers are the most respected part of our military. Orders come from them and those orders are followed. Though they value our opinion, what they say goes.
That's very interesting, in my experience, to be completely honest, it's the NCOs(sergeants and such) that are most respected(this would be unofficially, of course). They are the ones that actually get things done.
 

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LetalisK said:
Dectomax said:
LetalisK said:
Dectomax said:
quoted for reference
I'm not sure how much sense this will make, but I'll ask anyway. How centralized or de-centralized is authority and responsibility in the British ranks? I'm asking from the perspective of someone in the US military and I've always heard that subordinates have less leeway in the British military than in the US military.
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Our officers are the most respected part of our military. Orders come from them and those orders are followed. Though they value our opinion, what they say goes.
That's very interesting, in my experience, to be completely honest, it's the NCOs(sergeants and such) that are most respected(this would be unofficially, of course). They are the ones that actually get things done.
Unlike most units, The Royal Marine officer recruits train with them. They are all stationed at the same Recruit training centre. so, there is a great deal of respect amongst the men.
 

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Billska said:
Is it true that shit flys up?
Nah man, shit flies diagonally.

OT: How long is British post-basic training? I know the basic is much longer, but in the US basic training is usually shorter than Tech School(MOS, AIT, whatever that branch calls it) which can last anywhere from a few extra weeks to two years. Is the British military like this?
 

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StBishop said:
I assume he can join the British forces in a tank crew (forgotten the proper name, artillery I think?)?
Time for clarification, starting with ancient history.

You have a man with a spear, axe, mace or short sword. This is your basic unit.

They fight better together. You have a tactic!

You can give them a longer, two-handed spear or a shorter spear and a shield. You can also form a line of men with shields and short spears and put a line of men with longer spears behind them. You have a unit tactic.

Putting the chap with the short sword on a horse lets him get around more quickly to see what's going on over there or deliver a message. You have scout cavalry and despatch (or dispatch) riders.

You also have archers, before or after you get cavalry. Archers can work in two ways. They can lurk in the woods and pop out to shoot then leg it so the enemy keeps getting disoganised in trying to chase them down or they can form ranks and shoot at an area to cause damage and confusion among the enemy in that area. For examples of the second approach, see Braveheart or anything about Agincourt, although Agincourt's a bit further along the tech story.

They have archers, so you want a way to do something about their archers. An archer isn't much good against a spearman or swordsman at close range, but they're all the way over there. What you need is a way to get your chap with the short sword over there where they are really quickly. See scout cavalry. See archers. Get more horses, more riders and light armour and send them over together. You now have light cavalry.

Walls and castles are an interesting problem. So far, you have nothing much to use against them except "lots of arrows and a ladder" so you need something that'll damage big walls or at least big doors. This is where siege engines come in.

Siege engine one: the ram. Get a garden shed with a door in one end and a window in the other. Strengthen the frame and remove the floor. Put it on wheels. Hang a tree trunk from the frame with one end swinging out through the window. Put people inside it. Have them push it up to the door and swing the tree trunk. The roof will stop arrows. It works pretty well until some sod gets behind it with a long spear and pokes the crew in the kidneys or the guys on the wall set it on fire.

Siege engine two: the catapult. Spoon, spring, frame, big rock. Sprong. Crunch. Stick, sling, pivot point, frame, big rock. Fwip. Crunch. Works pretty well, and if you use a lot of smaller rocks rather than one big one it's a lot like a mass of archers only better at hurting people who have shields. Not so easy to get through the woods, but probably better on the battlefield.

Between the usefulness of horses and the usefulness of long spears, the idea of a really big spear carried by a man in heavy armour on a really big horse in its own heavy armour is kind of tempting, right? Big enough and heavy enough, it'll smash that garden shed just by stumbling into it. You can also use these guys to smash up the enemy's neat squares of spearmen and cause chaos and dismay to make it easier for your spearmen. This is the birth of the heavy cavalry unit, and its purpose is to charge and inflict damage. Heavy cavalry standing still has a lot of weak points where some little git with a dagger is going to gut the horse, cut the saddle strap, hamstring the rider or whatever. It works best charging.

Then someone comes up with gunpowder, and the big spoon is replaced with a cannon and all the spears now go bang once at the start of each battle. No, really, early muskets were spears that could fire one shot at the start of the battle. They're nothing like as good as archery but that bang's great for intimidating the enemy.

As guns got better and better, they got more and more useful as a means of fighting the battle rather than just a way to start it. The invention of the revolver, the brass cartridge, the revolver that used brass cartridges and the tube magazine or box magazine rifle made them valid as weapons that could also be used as spears, rather than spears with firepower, but the basic approach to things remained the same.

The big spanner in the works was the belt-fed machine-gun. Once a gun could reload itself in one tenth of a second and, with the aid of a water jacket to keep it cool, keep that up through a thousand rounds, cavalry stopped working and advancing in line abreast stopped working. See Ypres, the Somme, Gallipoli, Verdun and all that. Suddenly, there was a weapon that could be carried around and positioned by footsoldiers but not really used by one man as his personal weapon that could stop any advance. Suddenly, the defensive positions were almost unassailable. Understanding ballistics and using explosive cannon balls helped but not a right lot. Horses were useful for moving the artillery pieces, the replacements for the old catapults, around, but not for much else. The despatch riders had motorbikes.

The whole war got stalemated by the fact neither side could advance any further than within MG range of an enemy position. Then someone had a very clever idea: put soldiers with these guns inside an armoured box, mount it on wheels like a ram and have the wheels lay down a road surface at the front and pick it up again at the back to re-use it in a continuous loop. With a big enough motor inside to move it at a respectable speed, it could roll right over craters, barbed wire and enemy trenches and shoot along the trenches and into the backs of enemy gunners. It sounded crazy, but they thought it just might work, so they developed it. Of course, they didn't want anyone else to know what they were up to, so they pretended to be working on something innocuous like ... oh ... a new kind of storage tank for the soldiers' drinking water? That'll do. Call 'em experimental water tanks.

Well, one day these experimental tanks showed up at the front line and they didn't hold water but they made one heck of an impression. Suddenly, one side had an armoured thing that could charge into the enemy's formation and inflict damage. Heavy cavalry, in a rather different shape, was back on the scene!

First thoughts a soldier on the other side had that day: "What's that? What does it do? How do I kill it?" Next thought, shared by everyone on both sides: "Want!"

From the "How do I kill it?" we get mortars, tanks with anti-tank guns, recoilless anti-tank rifles, trucks with rocket launchers, dedicated tank-killer trucks, dedicated tank-killer tanks, thicker front armour, mortars hitting the roof, thicker top armour, artillery dropping their shells under the front ends, the driver sitting in a sling hanging from the roof instead of sitting on the floor, enemy tanks shooting diagonally to hit the sides, thicker side armour, soft-headed shells and rockets, reactive armour, tandem charges, laser detection, rockets designed to cruise along above roof-height with a range-finder pointing down and forwards so they can spot the far side of the tank and fire a shaped charge downwards against the roof aaaaaaaand so on.

From the "Want!" we get everything else on tracks and a side-order of chips.

Light cavalry and scout cavalry got in on the act with the Scimitar [http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0024.html] and Sabre for recent examples. The Sun likes to call them tanks or "light tanks" for its readers, but the army doesn't call them tanks.

The infantry got their Warrior IFVs (Infantry Fighting Vehicles) to carry them around at high speeds with a bit more protection than is offered by a soft-skinned truck and fight alongside them because every eight soldiers should have a friend with a 30mm cannon, yes. Again, the Sun's likely to call them tanks although APC (armoured personnel carrier) is widely-known so they might use that instead.

The signals and engineers have their tracked vehicles and the engineers' tractor is pretty awesome [http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0060.html].

The artillery also got into it, even though they're supposed to be well back from the action and lobbing shells over hills, trusting someone somewhere with a radio to tell them where they boom should happen. There have been a lot of instances of the artillery finding out the enemy's a lot closer than they'd been told and having to shoot them in the face and scarper, and they quite like being inside the tank-like thingy rather than stood next to the field gun when that happens.

The AS90 [http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/artillery-air-defence/1510.aspx] is a self-propelled gun, the tracked and armoured part of the artillery. It looks a bit like a tank, but if you compare one to a Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank [http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/fighting-vehicles/1475.aspx] you can see some differences. The tank's got better armour and a gun designed to punch shells through armour at shorter ranges. The self-propelled gun's got a big gun that elevates to lob shells a long way, a big turret housing it and rather less armour because it was never meant to get into dirty dancing with Soviet tanks and the Challenger was designed to do that and win. The tank's also got 1,200 bhp to the AS90's 660 bhp.

Of course, not everything's in tracked vehicles. They're expensive, they're noisy, they're slow, the chew up the roads, they can't use any but the strongest bridges (62.5 tonnes is a lot) and they DRINK fuel. We still use light trucks aka Land Rovers and Bedford 3-tonners for a lot of stuff.

If your tanks cost $2M and their tanks cost $3M, trucks cost $15k, rocket launchers cost $1k, rockets cost $250, training tank crews costs $250k and training rocket dudes costs $10k ...
and your tanks win
25% 1-on-1,
30% with one loss 2-on-1,
30% with no loss 2-on-1,
20% with two losses 3-on-1,
30% with one loss 3-on-1,
40% with no loss 3-on-1 and so on ...
and twenty rocket dudes in five trucks can take out an enemy tank for an average of two trucks and twelve men dead ...

... which is the cheaper way to fight them?