I don't really see what the controversy is about. In the first Assassin's Creed you killed lots of English soldiers and nobody batted an eye.
Assassin's Creed Devs Don't Hate the British
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We weren't the bad guys, though. There's nothing necessarily evil about conquest. If anyone was evil there it was the factions that formed the basis of America going around claiming they had right of God, forming pact after pact with the Indians and shafting them over and over just to strong arm them into another even more slanted pact.John Funk said:
The British weren't the good guys or the bad guys. We were just... the guys.
Edit: I know this is all meant in good humor, but this has always been a historical nitpick for me.
That's massively disingenuous.Ed. said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democrats
The Liberal party, from which the Liberal Democrats partially sprung, had nothing to do with the liberals you refer to, being formed 129 years ago.
Unless you're referring to political ideology. But then the implication of your comment is that every political party claiming roughly to be "liberals" and roughly to be "right" of today are essentially the same.
And unless you'd lump, say, Obama, in the same dish as Communism, you'd probably want to rethink that.
I already knew that considering in one of the interviews at E3 when asked "Is the AI smarter?" the guy being interviewed said, "well, they're British, so I hope so."
Well, I'm English, but I don't find it offensive that they are killing my ancestors....
As a Templar however....
As a Templar however....
In regards to the Native Americans thing: isn't Connor supposed to be part Mohawk? Like, the Mohawk who were part of the Iroquois Confederacy, who were allied with the British? And wasn't one of the major early complaints of the colonists about the creation of an Indian territory by the British, effectively curbing the growth of the Thirteen Colonies? Which American settlers then ignored and settled anyway?
Just seems like Connor's ethnic background would make him a British ally, not an American one.
Just seems like Connor's ethnic background would make him a British ally, not an American one.
Yeah, but the "becoming a full American citizen" bit has no relation to the concept of Jus Soli that was mentioned since, as noted, it was called into question whether they (Native Americans) were considered 'subject to the jurisdiction of' the US.Bill Nye the Zombie said:
He could be an American citizen, but he doesn't get it automatically.
Seriously, has nobody watched the trailer for the AC3 Vita version. There's loads of colonists being assassinated there.
I would put the pro-American stance mainly down to where the adverts are being shown. They are mostly trailers for the American, so naturally, marketing companies don't want to show a lot of Americans being killed. Plus, we've only seen about 15mins of gameplay and trailers, and if the game is as big as Ubisoft says it is, that's likely to be 3% of the final content, possibly less. So don't panic, my fellow countrymen, there's probably a lot more colonist assassinating than we are currently been shown, let's just be glad that the daily mail hasn't gotten its hands on any of the footage.
I would put the pro-American stance mainly down to where the adverts are being shown. They are mostly trailers for the American, so naturally, marketing companies don't want to show a lot of Americans being killed. Plus, we've only seen about 15mins of gameplay and trailers, and if the game is as big as Ubisoft says it is, that's likely to be 3% of the final content, possibly less. So don't panic, my fellow countrymen, there's probably a lot more colonist assassinating than we are currently been shown, let's just be glad that the daily mail hasn't gotten its hands on any of the footage.
We might have been allied with them, but that still didn't stop us killing about 1300 of them and sinking a few of their ships [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Catapult].Helmholtz Watson said:
Why do the brits have to not be the bad guys for this to not be anti british?? thats history got something bad that your ancestors did well tough tit most people do.
Or Keith Vaz for that matter. He's like our version of Bill O'Reilly... only not as funny.jkvoller said:
As long as the game comes out as the devs say, balanced in blame as it were, as opposed to what the marketing seems to show.
Perfectly fine with the british being antagonists as long as we're not portrayed as evil baby eating monsters that get killed whilst Connor rides on a harley shooting freedom bullets with stars n stripes streaming behind him.
Perfectly fine with the british being antagonists as long as we're not portrayed as evil baby eating monsters that get killed whilst Connor rides on a harley shooting freedom bullets with stars n stripes streaming behind him.
To be fair, AssAssCreed is developed by Canadians.
maybe it's less of "we hate the British" and more like "Lets be ironic!"
maybe it's less of "we hate the British" and more like "Lets be ironic!"
But wait, Washington is a Templar? So surely we will be kicking him about?...
Right? >.>
OT: Im British, and i honestly don't care, anyone who gets offended that the British are getting killed in this game should thank themselves lucky they aren't Russian.
Right? >.>
OT: Im British, and i honestly don't care, anyone who gets offended that the British are getting killed in this game should thank themselves lucky they aren't Russian.
Allow me to oblige...John Funk said:I'm kind of saddened that nobody seems to have picked up that my "latent historical resentment" referred to the French and English. I was hoping to get some soccer flame wars going
*ahem* We were robbed by that blind, hapless, bias wanker of a referee and in a fair game we would have been at least 3 goals clear by the end. You know it you smug frogs with your wine and your cheese and your... Riviera! Yeah that's right you think you're all that don't you well why don't you put down our women and go surrender to the Germans some more?
Will that do?