Assassin's Creed II story... Oh come on! (Verbose ranting and spoilers within.)
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It did? Man, I hadn't even heard about that. Gameplay-wise it was just a fairly standard shooter with a couple of twists, it was the setting and atmosphere that made it great. Now, I think any designer who ignores those does so at their peril, but it's important to remember that it can't substitute for gameplay.Julianking93 said:
Indeed they did. Pretty stupid if you ask me.SonicWaffle said:
Yes, I wasn't blown away by the game at all. The gameplay itself reminded me of really any shooter. The only thing in particular I liked about it was the Big Daddy's and the somewhat cartoony art style. Other than that, it was just pretty average.
Yes, the setting and atmosphere was great, but the story has to be great too. You can't work off just atmosphere. Look at Silent Hill 2. One of the only games to literally make me so goddamn scared that I couldn't play it for years. Great atmosphere and setting but it also had a wonderful story and gameplay that, while nothing special and sometimes frustrating, added to the game itself.
Bioshock did none of that.
From Wikipedia:Cynical skeptic said:
The game begins exactly at the end of Assassin's Creed II in the vault where Ezio met Minerva. Ezio returns to Monteriggioni but the villa is then attacked by the Borgia's forces led by Rodrigo's son, Cesare Borgia. During the battle, Ezio's uncle Mario is killed by Cesare and the Apple of Eden is taken by Cesare. The game then jumps to the year 1503 where Ezio, now a Master Assassin, seeks revenge and heads to Rome.
THEY'RE NOT FUCKING ALIENS.
And no, I'm not going to explain further to anyone because I've had to explain it so many times I want to drill through my own head.
Here we have a franchise that discusses quite a few questions (such as the nature of gods), and all people can fucking say about it is "ZOMG ALIENS ME WANT STABBY STABBY".
VulakAerr is right.
And no, I'm not going to explain further to anyone because I've had to explain it so many times I want to drill through my own head.
Here we have a franchise that discusses quite a few questions (such as the nature of gods), and all people can fucking say about it is "ZOMG ALIENS ME WANT STABBY STABBY".
I know it's in your name, but try a bit of research before you claim everything's going to be total shit and a disappointment.Cynical skeptic said:
VulakAerr is right.
I think It's more to do with the fact that if he wasn't Ezio's ancestor he wouldn't have picked up on the traits as easily. I've read up on some of this though and about the Adam and Eve part.Cynical skeptic said:
Basically humans were a slave race to TWCB(Those Who Came Before)and used the pieces of Eden to control humans but around 80,000B.C Adam and Eve stole one(In The Truth Video, also as a side-note the mountain in the background near the End is meant to be mount kilimanjiro in africa) and freed a crapton of people and there was this massive war, the humans defeated TWCB but they lived in peace, after a while TWCB died out and inter-bred with humans(thus giving Desmond and other inter-bred descendants powers like eagle vision)What was left of TWCB's Eden peices were found by major rulers throughout history(Jesus and Ghandi each had the Staff at some point and Ghengis khan had it,also as a side-note WW2 was basically Hitler and a few other Templars got cocky and ttried to take over the world while the other templars(allies) tried to stop them).Modern day 1997 Templars discovered the Apple(s) and TWCB and were afraid that if anyone else found out about this then people would go batshit insane so they created fake pre-historic skeletons in ethiopia to get people to believe that we came from monkeys. Also as a side-note Assassin's Creed 2's overarching story takes place in november 2012 and templars are set to launch a satellite on December 21st 2012 with like half a dozen Eden pieces to enslave humanity.
well that was alot of text and it only took my 'looks at watch' HOLY S**T 30 MINUTES WTF???
I hadn't actually seen the trailer, but it's understandable. It does kinda undermine the character development of course, but they had to do something to get him fighting again.Danzaivar said:
OK, Eagle Vision. What's your argument for that?Cynical skeptic said:
Being almost supernaturally talented at them with barely any training are, yes.Cynical skeptic said:
Hold up, Altair was blind? I don't seem to recall that part...Cynical skeptic said:
In fact, your example undermines your point. Desmond started fighting like Ezio and Altair without any training. Remember, in the second game the assassins are using the Animus partly so Desmond can unlock the special skills he has inherited. At no point does he get out of the animus and undergo a gruelling physical training regimen; he picks up fighting ability by ancestral memory, not by actual training. His body uses actions that his mind knows how to do, but his body was never trained to do.
Fuck, I keep getting ninja'd today ;-)Josh12345 said:
Though your point about TWCB interbreeding is something I must have forgotten. It does explain some things, though. Does Minerva mention it during her speech?
I thought the story was good. Both of the stories. Like, when you solve pieces of "The Truth", there are neat little tid-bits. Like the piece of Eden was part of Ghandi's protests and The Bolshevik revolution, etc. One letter even hints that Hitler gained power through the Piece of Eden.
I thought this sub-narrative helped add depth to the whole "worldwide conspiracy/cover-up" that the game tries to achieve.
Sure, Desmond's not that interesting, but I think as the series evolves, so too, will Desmond. As for the "Humans were made my aliens" thing. You say you've seen it before? I'd like to know, because I can't remember any game where humans were created by aliens in recent memory. I don't think it's that common of a plot point.
But even then, when you look at every plot point in the game, it all kind of works nicely in it's own fiction. I like it, that's just my opinion! Narrative aside, it's just fun as piss to just run around stabbing guards!
I thought this sub-narrative helped add depth to the whole "worldwide conspiracy/cover-up" that the game tries to achieve.
Sure, Desmond's not that interesting, but I think as the series evolves, so too, will Desmond. As for the "Humans were made my aliens" thing. You say you've seen it before? I'd like to know, because I can't remember any game where humans were created by aliens in recent memory. I don't think it's that common of a plot point.
But even then, when you look at every plot point in the game, it all kind of works nicely in it's own fiction. I like it, that's just my opinion! Narrative aside, it's just fun as piss to just run around stabbing guards!
I don't think so, though I think according to AssCred Wiki she doesn't actually live to see the interbreeding(I'm assuming she died during the human rebellion)SonicWaffle said:
All that definitely wasn't revealed in the game lol...Josh12345 said:
Overall I found AC2's plot to be pretty good. Nothing to win an Emmy but it gave the player motivation to continue, at least. I didn't think the "boss fight" was that good of an ending tho... I guess it sort of made sense what with most of the assassinations being religious leaders but it was definitely a WTF.
As for the Adam & Eve thing, it was definitely wierd. I was also of the assumption that it was humanity escaping from enslavement, not that we were genetically altered monkeys. However, as I just said, that last wall of text definitely wasn't covered in the game as far as I know...
I just finished the game this morning. I loved the whole renaissance feel and all. The story is quite good too. Even though it does have some cliches, the majority of the story and the nicely done characters make it very easy to overlook. Except for Desmond of course...
I hate to bring up a minor little thing, but to the people saying that at the end where you turned a "Monkey" skeleton into a human... In the letter unlocked before that, it talks about how the general public was getting closer to the truth. So, they needed to "bury the skeleton" and let the anthropologists find it to "give them their missing link." Suddenly Lucy's bones appear on the screen. Lucy. One of the 'missing links' in in real life. As in not a monkey, per say.
I'm probably going to regret this, but what the hell, I'm game for some discourse.
First of all, Those-That-Came-Before aren't explicitly called aliens, they just came before man did. One could assume they're aliens, but aside from a Piece of Eden showing up on the moon and their advanced technology that's all you've really got, which just proves they've seemingly been to the moon (so have we, we aren't aliens). It could be they were the first civilization, a form of man that developped before homo sapiens, and then they made homo sapiens what they are today. So its a bit of a twist on the old cliche. Speaking of the cliche, just because its been done doesn't make it a bad thing. Ask yourself if the cliche was done well and if you didn't see it coming. The latter usually adds emphasis to the former, but they don't preclude each other.
I also disagree that it made the entire plot of the game pointless. Ezio's storyline more or less wrapped up when he decided to not kill Rodrigo, just deny him his prize and leave him broken. The contents of the vault were there solely for the series' B-plot, which is an important framing device: it shows how the past can directly shape the future, and pulls one hell of a mind-game on you when Minerva breaks the 4th wall.
Quite frankly using the word travesty feels like serious hyperbole here. I mean, I can respect people not liking it, as Desmond really is uninteresting (I don't using the word bland though even though it should work), but I can't see what else the vault could of contained that would of made it better. The game instead gives a good sequel hook after the big bad's been beaten, though granted the hook isn't the greatest since its another list of things that people need to find like in the first, only this time its temples instead of Pieces of Eden. It works though as, like the first game, it implies the present day will be vital but the Animus could be used yet again to find the other temples if someone in the past found one.
I will comment that I like how they explain the concept of demi-gods and such, with the first assassins being as such. It explains where the Eagle Sight comes from if nothing else. The parkour and such, those are pretty much training, though they could probably mention that they're naturals since so many of their ancestors have done it. I mean, Desmond and Ezio were both lousy fighters when they started out, but thanks to training they're awesome and they both picked things up reasonably quickly, granted Desmond cheated.
So yeah, I didn't mind the twist, I think its one of the most well-done storylines in gaming since it ties together the world's rich history in a very elaborate way that makes a weird sense.
First of all, Those-That-Came-Before aren't explicitly called aliens, they just came before man did. One could assume they're aliens, but aside from a Piece of Eden showing up on the moon and their advanced technology that's all you've really got, which just proves they've seemingly been to the moon (so have we, we aren't aliens). It could be they were the first civilization, a form of man that developped before homo sapiens, and then they made homo sapiens what they are today. So its a bit of a twist on the old cliche. Speaking of the cliche, just because its been done doesn't make it a bad thing. Ask yourself if the cliche was done well and if you didn't see it coming. The latter usually adds emphasis to the former, but they don't preclude each other.
I also disagree that it made the entire plot of the game pointless. Ezio's storyline more or less wrapped up when he decided to not kill Rodrigo, just deny him his prize and leave him broken. The contents of the vault were there solely for the series' B-plot, which is an important framing device: it shows how the past can directly shape the future, and pulls one hell of a mind-game on you when Minerva breaks the 4th wall.
Quite frankly using the word travesty feels like serious hyperbole here. I mean, I can respect people not liking it, as Desmond really is uninteresting (I don't using the word bland though even though it should work), but I can't see what else the vault could of contained that would of made it better. The game instead gives a good sequel hook after the big bad's been beaten, though granted the hook isn't the greatest since its another list of things that people need to find like in the first, only this time its temples instead of Pieces of Eden. It works though as, like the first game, it implies the present day will be vital but the Animus could be used yet again to find the other temples if someone in the past found one.
I will comment that I like how they explain the concept of demi-gods and such, with the first assassins being as such. It explains where the Eagle Sight comes from if nothing else. The parkour and such, those are pretty much training, though they could probably mention that they're naturals since so many of their ancestors have done it. I mean, Desmond and Ezio were both lousy fighters when they started out, but thanks to training they're awesome and they both picked things up reasonably quickly, granted Desmond cheated.
So yeah, I didn't mind the twist, I think its one of the most well-done storylines in gaming since it ties together the world's rich history in a very elaborate way that makes a weird sense.
I kind of enjoyed the whole religious/mythical mystery unraveling, some of the "graffiti riddles" were kind of chilling. Plus I always enjoy a good conspiracy theory. SO I must say, as long as I didn't know what it was building up to, I enjoyed the story.
Of course, it was all so extravagant that once the revelation came it couldn't be anything but ridiculous. I know a lot of people who reacted just like you, personally I chose to just laugh the cheesy bizarreness off and go with it. It was horrible, but it didn't ruin the game for me ^^
Of course, it was all so extravagant that once the revelation came it couldn't be anything but ridiculous. I know a lot of people who reacted just like you, personally I chose to just laugh the cheesy bizarreness off and go with it. It was horrible, but it didn't ruin the game for me ^^
