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People who believe in gravity.

I mean really it's only a scientific theory after all.

What sheep.
 

disgruntledgamer

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Queen Michael said:
Do you ever hear someone express views that you think that at some level they should understand don't make any sense? Like when my grandmother didn't agree with me that Michael Jackson had been framed for pederasty crimes by people who wanted to get a big bunch of dollars from him, because to wuote her, "Do you really think people would do that kind of thing for money?" Leaving aside the issue of whether Michael was guilty or not, at some level she must have known that people will lie for money.

So... what have you heard people say or believe or think that at some level they must have known was untrue?
Michael Jackson was badshit crazy. Being a pedophile is certainly not out of the question for him, especially since he let himself be put in that situation more than once.
 

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Doclector said:
Racists, homophobes, and other discriminators. How, in this day and age, does someone hold such views? There is no argument here, no debate. Skin colour means jack shit, and who someone wants to fuck is their business. Simple as.
Actually you'd be surprised. A lot of it stems from peoples up bringing. If their raised in a racist, homophobic, or otherwise discriminatory environment (in other words their parents held such beliefs) their more likely to hold such beliefs themselves. And like anyone with an opinion, their not likely to change that view without liberal application of a crowbar and a sledgehammer.
 

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Interestingly enough, I've also heard the opposite of the Michael Jackson thing in the OP. "Do you really think a parent would choose money over their kid's justice?" or something like that. A bad parent would, yes.

Really, any "why would someone do X" reasoning that can be answered with "because they are stupid/assholes."
 

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Everything human-made.

Swear on it all you like, it will ultimately fail at one point or another. Money, technology, systems of governments, religions - they're nice, and convenient in some applications - will eventually be destroyed.

But it's nice to have when it's helpful.
 

Casual Shinji

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shrekfan246 said:
The entire debate about how gaming should remain a closed off "nerd" thing, to only appeal to the very nichest of niches. Which sometimes (as in this past week) extends to include the sexism debate too, because by Jove, we can't go having cooties get all over our precious toys. And how we apparently need to crucify people who are 'pretending' to like the same hobby we like, because they're not 'real' gamers as if that's actually a thing that can be quantified.
I honestly don't think this was actually an issue untill some people made an issue of how other people apparently had an issue with it.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
shrekfan246 said:
The entire debate about how gaming should remain a closed off "nerd" thing, to only appeal to the very nichest of niches. Which sometimes (as in this past week) extends to include the sexism debate too, because by Jove, we can't go having cooties get all over our precious toys. And how we apparently need to crucify people who are 'pretending' to like the same hobby we like, because they're not 'real' gamers as if that's actually a thing that can be quantified.
I honestly don't think this was actually an issue untill some people made an issue of how other people apparently had an issue with it.
Oh, it was. It doesn't crop up all that often because of the other 'hot topics of the month' we get around here in the monthly cycle, but every now and then you'll catch a post or two who are vilifying the fact that gaming isn't a tiny little niche, hidden in the corner anymore. It may or may not be accompanied by 'retro gamer elitism', as well.

I've seen people on this very website, before this past week's Jimquisition, who have said that gaming has been going downhill ever since it "went mainstream". I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, to be honest, because the SNES and Super Mario were pretty damn 'mainstream' for their time.
 

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I agree with everyone about racism/homophobia, but I think the deeper problem is people's lack of understanding of Ideology.

Ideology is something that humans cannot do without, our brains are hard-wired to look for patterns and extrapolate meaning and predict occurrences based on the patterns we see. So, ideology becomes something of a shortcut for us, allowing us to make some sense of this incredibly complex world.

On the other hand, when your ideology defies even the most contrived reason, you must be prepared to alter and make additions to the patterns that form your ideology. People tend to become emotionally invested in their ideologies over time, to the point were they resist changing them even if there is tremendous evidence to undermine their beliefs, whatever those beliefs may be.

Things like racism are merely symptomatic of this basic problem, and more to the point, you see these types of actions in people of every creed, if you look carefully.
 

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FelixG said:
"Piracy is theft." is always worth a good chuckle. Because at some level I expect the person to be smart enough to differentiate between personal copyright infringement (Civil), professional copyright infringement (Crime), and theft (Crime).
It doesn't help when the piracy ads all state that "Piracy = Stealing", at least the ones in the UK always have done. The organisation in charge of said thing is called F.A.C.T or Federation Against Copyright Theft.

But of course if it isn't called theft/stealing it makes it sound a lot better.
 

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CrazyCapnMorgan said:
Everything human-made.

Swear on it all you like, it will ultimately fail at one point or another. Money, technology, systems of governments, religions - they're nice, and convenient in some applications - will eventually be destroyed.
That's plain wrong - you've obviously not tried some of my grandmother's cooking - "will eventually be destroyed" my ass, they'll most probably outlast all the things you mentioned.

TopazFusion said:
The argument against gay marriage, and claims that it isn't discrimination because "a gay man can already marry every person a straight man is allowed to marry".

Yeah, that doesn't even begin to make sense in my head...
Well, look at it this way - a homosexual man can still marry a woman, no? And a homosexual woman can marry a man. Also, if gay marriage is allowed, for some unknown reason heterosexual people will be unable to marry other people of the same gender. Therefore, it would give homosexuals even more privileges than heterosexuals. Or something along those lines. If it actually makes sense, come back and explain it to me, so we both get how it works.

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Legion said:
The organisation in charge of said thing is called F.A.C.T or Federation Against Copyright Theft.
Well, actually, that name would imply that the organisation tries to combat the stealing of copyright itself. As in, not the copyrighted material. I wander - does it happen often? Some bad guy goes and...I dunno, pockets the copyright somehow?
 

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Yeah pretty much the typical "Gay marriage will ruin America" crap. How people can actually believe this is beyond me.
 

Casual Shinji

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shrekfan246 said:
I've seen people on this very website, before this past week's Jimquisition, who have said that gaming has been going downhill ever since it "went mainstream". I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, to be honest, because the SNES and Super Mario were pretty damn 'mainstream' for their time.
Well, there is something to say for that. Gaming has changed to a point that certain genres aren't profitable anymore and have been left by the wayside. Games today are still good, but the variety that was present in the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube era and earlier has kind of disappeared. The variety in games today exist mostly in the smaller downloadable games, not the big studio productions.

This is more due to the overbloated budgets than the mainstream appeal though. Though the two probably go hand in hand; "We have a huge budget so whatever game we make better appeal to as wide an audience as possible for us to make all that money back."
 

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People who like MLP Not really. I wanted to start a flame war but didn't have the courage to follow through.
 

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Actually the problem is they *don't* understand their view is simply wrong.

My fundamentalist Baptist uncle (who I thankfully see only once a year) said at Thanksgiving, "The sodomites planned this. They decided to get together and move to this state to swing the vote in their favor. Don't you think that's true?" Because to him there's just no way the issue could be about people who are in love wanting to share their lives with each other without the fear of being persecuted by ignorant assholes like him. It can't be about the desire of all people to live in security under the same set of rights. To my uncle, it really is a vast conspiracy to drive the world into evil and wickedness.

I told him he should put the word out, gather up his Christian friends, congregate together, and swing the vote the other way next election. "Strike a blow for the Lord," I said. "Build stronger communities. Stand together to promote your beliefs. Put your hand on the wheel and show the wicked they aren't gonna drive this bus off the cliff without a fight." He squirmed, clearly uncomfortable with the idea. This is a man who would happily stone homosexuals to death (actually he would prefer to talk others into doing it, I doubt he'd have the courage to do the deed), but he can't handle the idea of a peaceful solution. "I'm sorry, I must be confused," I said. "I thought Jesus -- whose name you praise quite often -- was a strong proponent of peace, mercy, and compassion? I thought God was the judge, not you."

So now he's a bigot *and* a hypocrite. Thing is, you could debate him all afternoon, demolishing every argument he makes, and it wouldn't make any difference. He'd just move to another chair and start in with someone else, "The sodomites planned this."
 

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disgruntledgamer said:
Queen Michael said:
Do you ever hear someone express views that you think that at some level they should understand don't make any sense? Like when my grandmother didn't agree with me that Michael Jackson had been framed for pederasty crimes by people who wanted to get a big bunch of dollars from him, because to wuote her, "Do you really think people would do that kind of thing for money?" Leaving aside the issue of whether Michael was guilty or not, at some level she must have known that people will lie for money.

So... what have you heard people say or believe or think that at some level they must have known was untrue?
Michael Jackson was badshit crazy. Being a pedophile is certainly not out of the question for him, especially since he let himself be put in that situation more than once.
I guess I have to admit that he might have been guilty, but his being batshit crazy isn't in itself a good reason to believe he was. IMO, that's just what made lots of people assume that he was guity. That he's crazy doesn't mean he actually did commit this particular crime.
 

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Dr. Cakey said:
People who like MLP Not really. I wanted to start a flame war but didn't have the courage to follow through.
People who don't like MLP.

WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO GUYS!?
 

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Casual Shinji said:
shrekfan246 said:
I've seen people on this very website, before this past week's Jimquisition, who have said that gaming has been going downhill ever since it "went mainstream". I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, to be honest, because the SNES and Super Mario were pretty damn 'mainstream' for their time.
Well, there is something to say for that. Gaming has changed to a point that certain genres aren't profitable anymore and have been left by the wayside. Games today are still good, but the variety that was present in the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube era and earlier has kind of disappeared. The variety in games today exist mostly in the smaller downloadable games, not the big studio productions.

This is more due to the overbloated budgets than the mainstream appeal though. Though the two probably go hand in hand; "We have a huge budget so whatever game we make better appeal to as wide an audience as possible for us to make all that money back."
Those genres are still (mostly) being made, though. Maybe not with the same frequency as before, but it's always been like that. SNES/Genesis was all about 2D side-scrolling brawlers and platformers while the PC had RTS', Space Sims, and FPS', Nintendo 64 was all about 3D Platformers while the Playstation had a bunch of JRPGs, and both were the beginnings of FPS' really hitting it off on consoles, then the PS2 came about and had a huge number of JRPGs, racing games, FPS', action-adventure games, hack&slash games, while the Xbox popularized the console-FPS and the Gamecube floundered about because of lacking third-party support (Note: The Gamecube is my favorite Nintendo console), and it's not really all that different now.

There are a lot more FPS' being made multi-platform, for sure, but we're still getting racing games, action-adventure games, hack&slash games, RTS games, TBS games, stealth games, dungeon crawlers, platformers, open-world sandboxes, RPGs (both J and W), the occasional space sim on PC (which is the only genre I'd actually say has essentially died compared to its popularity in "the good old days"), point&click adventure games (The Walking Dead has been a rather rousing success for that genre lately), and we're even getting older Metroid/Castlevania-style games from indie developers, such as Dust on the XBLA.

The fact that the indie market is so large is an astounding achievement in the first place. With the infrastructure that was in place during every previous gaming generation, having indie developers push out their games like they do right now just would not have been feasible. They wouldn't have been able to release small, downloadable titles at cheap prices, because nobody would even know their games existed.

Er, I'm getting off of my original point, actually, which is that while I agree there's a problem with overbloated budgets, that's not what most of the people using this argument go with. They say that gaming shouldn't be mainstream. That it was better before it began attracting a larger audience. I've been playing video games for twenty years, and some of my favorite games of all time have been released in the last six years, so pardon me for disagreeing that I should be a gaming hipster.
 

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Hagi said:
But there's a very small number of things of which I simply don't understand how anyone could possibly rationally believe them, such as the Bible being absolute literal truth. I don't understand how someone could rationally look at the world and the Bible, think logically about it and come to the conclusion that this book is the exact literal truth. I consider it an irrational belief.
In my experience, a lot of people who believe that haven't read their holy book. They have heard the stories, and since they assume their holy book tells the truth, they take what they know of the world, look for some vague expressions in the book and go 'this must be what they are talking about'.

They begin from the assumption that their holy book must be right, so any arguments to the contrary must somehow be wrong. And if you stay ignorant, and avoid the arguments that disagree with you...
 

DrunkOnEstus

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People who justify texting or even surfing the internet while they're driving. It shouldn't even be a thing. And if it has to be a thing, it shouldn't be such an epidemic that there needs to be regular PSAs for it. Yet all the time I hear "but I can still see the road with one eye/my periphery" or "I don't spend the whole time looking down, I continually glance up to make sure I'm not hitting anything". It's ridiculous, I can't fathom that there's actually a defense for taking an inherently dangerous activity and drastically reducing the amount of attention and vision applied to it.