Australian Christian Lobby Joins the Fight Against R18+ Game Ratings

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RelexCryo

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Australian Christian Lobby Joins the Fight Against R18+ Game Ratings


Michael Atkinson has a new ally in his fight to keep R18+ videogame ratings out of Australia: The Australian Christian Lobby [http://www.acl.org.au/], which has called upon its members and other Australians to speak out against mature ratings for videogames.

South Australia Attorney General Michael Atkinson's opposition to mature ratings for videogames is well known [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97581-Atkinson-Dismisses-Game-Consultation-as-Unfair] by now: He has made himself the poster boy for anti-gaming sentiment in the country through his efforts to ensure that the highest available classification for games is MA15+. Because of his high profile, the popular sentiment among gamers is that if Atkinson could be eliminated (as a political force, that is, not with an Uzi), the R18+ dominoes would quickly fall and all would be well in the land Down Under.

But it may not be that simple. The Australian government's decision to launch a makeastand.org.au [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/96839-Australian-Government-Seeks-Public-Input-Into-R18-Game-Ratings]. "However, following pressure from the gaming industry, the  Federal Attorney-General's Department is conducting a public consultation asking for submissions on whether the Australian National Classification Scheme should include an R18+ Classification category for computer games."

"Many games force the child to identify with the aggressor and children are rewarded for immoral conduct and violent behavior. Research shows that increased playing of violent first person shooter games can significantly increase aggression," the group said. "And remember, even if R18+ games were only sold to adults, they would inevitably find their way into children's hands."

The ACL claims that current restrictions on game ratings are more important now than they've ever been because improving technology results in ever-more-sophisticated games that are thus more likely to cause harm. Instead of allowing an R18+ rating, it wants to see stricter enforcement of the current MA15+ rating, "to ensure that games aren't wrongly getting through in this category."

It's tempting to dismiss the ACL as just another fringe group that's completely out of touch with the realities of modern society, but the fact is that members of these organizations have a tendency to do something that a lot of "gamers," to use an admittedly broad term, don't: They vote. Furthermore, according to ABC [http://www.abc.net.au/] Analyst Antony Green, most Australians are actually in favor of censorship.

"In my view, the issue of R18+ for videogames won't have much impact [on the election] at all," he told GameSpot Australia [http://au.gamespot.com/news/6248186.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;title;1]. "When push comes to shove, a significant portion of the electorate will reject lifting censorship on this sort of thing because most people tend to be rather pro-censorship as a gut instinct."

The deadline for submissions to the public consultation on "An R18+ Classification for Computer Games" is February 28. Go to ag.gov.au [http://www.ag.gov.au/gamesclassification] to learn more.

via: GamePolitics [http://gamepolitics.com/2010/01/29/atkinson-gains-ally-battle-against-r18]


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Wow. This is like gun bans all over again. "Even if it's only sensible, law-abiding adults who are allowed to buy a .45 ACP pistol, it will still inevitably find it's way into the hands of criminals." The fact that he thinks most people are pro-censorhip as a gut instinct actually scares me, very thoroughly.
 

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Wow. Yet another reason for me to despise the religious right.

"And remember, even if R18+ games were only sold to adults, they would inevitably find their way into children's hands."
Based on what statistics/proof? Any responsible parent would make sure their kids would not play the games that they buy for themselves, until they're old enough.
 

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Gunner 51 said:
I know very little about Australian politics, but it seems you Aussies have given up on the battle before it's begun. Mr Atkinson and co would be facing an election fairly soon. (November 24 IIRC.)
sounds good in theory but the major problem is that only one state is the problem and of that state the government dosent see fit to help or hinder atkinsons crusade so only 20,207 people in atkinsons electorate out of an estimated 21,374,000 australians really get to vote on this issue. democracy at its best!
Wow, that's a small state. It's smaller than the town I once hailed from. (Chippenham, Wiltshire.) Perhaps this is all the more reason for the gamers over there to vote for another more relaxed party. If all else fails, raise support from like minded citizens - the kind who want rid of Mr Atkinson. (May not necessarily be gamers or concerned with R18.)
 

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The problem I've seem to come across is that the only people who can vote Atkinson out are the South Australians, and Croyden specifically. It's not all of Australia's fault that this twit is in power, and it's certainly not my generations fault (much). Since I've turned 19, I haven't been able to vote because they're aren't any elections being held. I've had power to vote for over a year now and no where to use it. This country needs more elections so I can bloody well vote for the Greens.
 

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Wow, a bunch of Americans making judgements on another country with little to no information... what else is new.

As an over 18 Australian I can tell you that I really don't care about the outcome. If we manage to get R18 video games then awesome, if not then a credit card and ebay solve that problem. Honestly the only people who would be crying about it if the vote isn't for R18 video games would be people under 18. It's inconvenient but is irrelivant either way.

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I'm hoping the vast majority of Christians are smart enough to come to their own conclusions on this one. They have significant voting power and if they get behind a particular issue they hold sway.
 

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Big surprise, but this is only going to cause more rage from the gaming community which is the only community that matters n this debate because its the only community actualy affected by it.but yeah i dont see what all the raging is about, i moved to london from aus and the first thing i realised was not only that there were R18 games but that some of the games that were MA in aus were R18 here so it works both ways, and kids playing those games arent the problem of the games theyre the problems of the PARENTS FFS I WISH CHRISTIANS WOULD STOP BLAMING EVERYTHING ON THE MEDIA AND SOCIETY CHILDRENS RAISING IS ENTIRELY UP TO THE PARENTS AND NO ONE ELSE!
 

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I read "Australian" and "Christian," and I instantly thought, "Here we go again..."

Don't get me wrong, I know several Christians who are completely awesome people, and most of my extended family are Christians. But Christians in the media are never the nice ones.
 

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I guess religion and it's minions has found a new minority to persecute... When you don't have the power to burn intellectuals or fight against vaccines any more, at least there's new oppressable minorities to add to the list on which the desperate religious need for oppression and condemnation can be vented.

Like other groups even politically weaker than the religious organizations (Atheists, Gays, African AIDS-victims etc.), Gamers are appropriately unfamiliar to the large majority that religions can safely rip on them.

May the non-existing gods have mercy on us, and shelter us from their followers.
You know being an atheist is NOT a 'get away with stereotyping and being a douche' card. In fact, here is my response to your utter lack of understanding with people who you disagree with in such terms.And no, I am not some 'irrational sheep diseased by faith who refuses to face reality instead choosing a security blanket of mythology'. Currently I am fairly undecided. Fuck, if you atheists were not so pig-headed when it comes to expressing your ideologies to the rest of us I might have "converted" long ago. All I ask is for people like you to please respect the opinions of others by not using a form of pseudo-neurology to classify them just to piss others off and pump your own pathetic ego?!!?

Oh right; this was a thread about contemporary Australian politics over the subject of video game classification and censorship wasn't it? Back on topic.

This whole censorship deal is ridiculous. Kids are already "protected" against "dangerous games" by the ratings system itself; are they not? I hate when people start thinking the government should be used as a substitute for parental or personal responsibility. If the parents do not want their kids influenced by these games then they should be paying more attention to their children's activities instead of trying to say -no one- can play them. The same "controversy" could come up with R rated movies, Axe body spray commercials, the internet, play boy magazines, and anything else really. People have to start getting a sense of perspective on these matters.
 

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ShinningDesertEagle said:
Fuck, if you atheists were not so pig-headed when it comes to expressing your ideologies to the rest of us I might have "converted" long ago. All I ask is for people like you to please respect the opinions of others by not using a form of pseudo-neurology to classify them just to piss others off and pump your own pathetic ego?!!?
Yay, complain about people stereotyping and then fit them into a stereotype...

For what it's worth, I'm an athiest and I happy for people to believe whatever they want; what I don't appreciate though is people telling me how to think. I've been lectured on how wrong I am from people from a lot of different religions so please don't complain that atheists are the only ones who do it.

If everyone just understood that debates about religion are pointless, we would save a lot of time. The whole point of faith is 'Belief without proof' so no one who is adamant about their belief's would change their mind.
 

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I don't know why but i feel that R18+ games will be banned from entry into Australia and then we will hear of Game Pirates that risk there lives to bring the good people of Australia some games which sounds weird
 

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Enzeru92 said:
I don't know why but i feel that R18+ games will be banned from entry into Australia and then we will hear of Game Pirates that risk there lives to bring the good people of Australia some games which sounds weird
There entry isn't banned, you just can't sell them in stores. Or they need to be reclassified for Australia. You can still buy them from other countries and import them.
 

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"Research indicates violent video games lead to increased aggression in youth" - SOURCE PLEASE

You know what else does that to a significantly higher degree? Team sports. And yet, you never hear ANYONE going on about how we should ban sports, despite the fact that FAR more young people have been either injured, or even KILLED, playing them. Furthermore, any "link" between video games and violent crimes that has ever been made has always been PURELY circumstantial - hm, that kid shot up his school? Oh, he played video games, did he? Well, that's certaintly something that seems "fringe" and anti-mainstream, this MUST be what caused the violent behaviour.

I just don't know what to say to this..... I suppose this is what happens when a new medium gains popularity. People are scared of it, and they figure that THIS must be the cause of society's troubles; it's a pathetic attempt at scapegoating, and it demonstrates profound ignorance on the part of the protestors.
 

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I buy my games from online sources for ~70% of the price I would pay at the local games shops (including delivery/DL costs but is dependant on Au$ exchange rate).

I get them sent to me from other countries, with less stringent piracy law enforcement (ie Thailand which is 1/20 the price).

I don't miss out, the local games shop does....
 

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according to ABC [http://www.abc.net.au/] Analyst Antony Green, most Australians are actually in favor of censorship.
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GameSpot Australia [http://au.gamespot.com/news/6248186.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;title;1]. "When push comes to shove, a significant portion of the electorate will reject lifting censorship on this sort of thing because most people tend to be rather pro-censorship as a gut instinct."
Right, Fuck you Australia, Fuck you. You deserve everything you get, you failed country.

Censorship is the ANTITHESIS of liberty and democracy.
 

TechNoFear

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Treblaine said:
Right, Fuck you Australia, Fuck you. You deserve everything you get, you failed country.

Censorship is the ANTITHESIS of liberty and democracy.
Australia banning/censoring a few games is nothing....

You do know what the US is trying to do with ACTA (a trade agreement with 34 other countries)?

Do you understand what "contributory copyright infringement" means to the internet?

[That ISPs/web pages will be liable for the actions of users ie no more 'safe harbor' protections.]

The US/South Korean FTA caused a 3 strike rule (3 accusations from a copyright holder and your off the internet) and many other content restrictions (no uploads of music/video, etc) to be introduced by South Korean ISPs.

The drafts of the AFAT treaty are not available to the public (but are to the big industry lobbists) but leaks show it is simiar to the South Korea FTA (in regards to secondary liability).

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100120/0216537828.shtml