Australian Conservative Launches Anti-R18 Videogame Site

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Andy Chalk

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Australian Conservative Launches Anti-R18 Videogame Site


An Australian conservative blogger has launched NoR18Games.com.au, a website that advocates against the creation of an R18+ rating for videogames.

We all know by now that Australia doesn't have a "mature" rating for videogames and that although most Australians seem to want one, its addition to the classification system is being held up by a tiny minority: A minority of one man, in the eyes of many, who goes by the name of public consultation [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98346-Atkinson-Gamers-Are-More-Threatening-Than-Bikers] on the R18+ rating in Australia slowly winds down, those who support his position are starting to make some noise.

The website "Say No to R18+ Video Games" claims that "many studies" have linked videogames to real-life violence and that as such, no such rating should be allowed in the country. "An example of a currently banned game that would be allowed into Australia is a Japanese creation where the player is encouraged to gang rape and beat young women," the site says. "Other games involve 'first person' playing where the player takes the role of torturing or mutilating people."

Once these games are allowed into Australia, site author Andrew Hazelton claims, the rating system will be meaningless because the government will not be able to control who actually has access to them. He also dismisses arguments that adults should have the right to choose for themselves which videogames they want to play because "There is not one single 'benefit' of R-rated games that will enhance or improve character."

The site features images taken from games like RapeLay [http://www.rockstargames.com/manhunt/], the "terrible Japanese game creation where the player goes around raping young girls." There is no shortage of sensationalist misinformation, but perhaps the most telling comment can be found near the top of the site's front page.

"The Rudd government has released a discussion paper to gauge whether the Australian community wants R18+ games to be permitted," it says. "The 16-page Discussion Paper gives arguments for both sides. However, once you start 'discussing' a topic you open up the way for the law to be changed!"

In other words, the preferred course of action is not to argue the merits of an R18+ videogame rating, but to bury the conversation completely.

Still, in recognition of the fact that the discussion is pretty much unavoidable at this point, the site provides a template for making submissions to the public consultation as well as links to a petition against R18+ videogame ratings, news coverage of the ongoing debate and more. Unfortunately, but also unsurprisingly, the site offers no provisions for debating the matter or expressing a contrary opinion so there's not a lot to do for supporters of the R18+ rating, but if you'd like to poke around anyway, give it a look at nor18games.com.au [http://www.nor18games.com.au/].

via: GamePolitics [http://gamepolitics.com/2010/02/16/nor18games-website-launched]



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thenumberthirteen

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There are reasons to ban certain games on the grounds that kids could get their hands on them, but the same argument applies to cars, guns, drink, etc.
 

Frank_Sinatra_

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From the site said:
Yet despite the many studies and examples of role game linked violence the proponents for the importing of R and X rated games argue that it is an individual?s right to watch or play whatever they want and that the repeated playing of such extreme acts will not lead to harmful effects on players? beliefs or values.
Actually the majority of the studies that connect the two have sponsored that have certain... "Agendas" that they need to complete. Thus those studies are soiled, although there are some un-agenda tainted ones out there.
There are more un-agenda ones that disprove that link out there. Sorry.
 

DarkSaber

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The emerging consensus with us GPers is that this site is actually a satirical hoax.
 

FinalHeart95

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Andy Chalk said:
"An example of a currently banned game that would be allowed into Australia is a Japanese creation where the player is encouraged to gang rape and beat young women,"
That's a flat out lie. It's never been sold anywhere outside of Japan.

Oh well. There's always a fight with this. To be honest, I'm just done. People are too stubborn and won't even consider the other side for more than a brief moment. No matter what we gamers do, these people will be around trying to censor everything.
 

bladeofdarkness

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how is it that no one points out that the same could be said about movies/books/music/washer-drier-combo/tv-shows/any other art form ?
if all i have to judge R rated movies by is crap like hostel, then i'd be pretty quick to think its all shit that doesn't belong on the air

and as for the "studies"
there aren't any
since a real study would have to take into account the amount of violent acts that are commited by people who DONT play videogames
hell... a real study about violent behavior and outside inputs that might trigger it, would end up making religion illegal
 

pneuma08

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"...the rating system will be meaningless because the government will not be able to control who actually has access to them." This is true with or without the rating implemented - or even without a subject to discuss! - and is therefore meaningless as an argument.
 

Sir Kemper

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Furburt said:
Well, people have the right to hold opinions. So please, nobody say 'I'd liek to kill dem!' or othersuch nonsense, because you're just proving their point.

Act calm, reasonable and state your points concisely, and they'll have nothing to do but expose themselves as the reactionaries they are.
And THEN we stab them from behind, right?


Seriosuly though while everybody has a right to there opinion, i would really like it if the Australian goverment would allow our Aussie Gamer friends to state there case, rather then listening to Aktinson who's essentialy started going: "LALALALALALA R18 games are bad LALALALALALA" with his fingers in his ears.
 

silver wolf009

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Man that game with the zombie looks awesome what game is it?
OT:I really dont see the problem with an R-18 rating, i mean he says that the goverment cant control who sees it. So? adults arent that eaisly molded and he never mentions to "SAV TEH KIDDIES!".

Edit: i checked out the site and sent him an email saying
"I dissagree with your statements, while violent video games do show what some consider to be graphic violence, adults are generally not that eaisly molded, and an R-18 rating doesn't cover giving games to children under 18. Futhermore, i dont believe a word you say of the studies supporting the things you say until you source them. And finally i feel that violent video games can be a posotive for people, serving as a place to unleash your ID's desire. Better to have people living out their violent actions on clouds of ones and zeros imitating as people than on living beings."

how much do you want to bet he disregards this as a gamer fan rage?
 

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Furburt said:
Well, people have the right to hold opinions. So please, nobody say 'I'd liek to kill dem!' or othersuch nonsense, because you're just proving their point.

Act calm, reasonable and state your points concisely, and they'll have nothing to do but expose themselves as the reactionaries they are.
...You realise you're trying to talk sense to the internet, right?

Anywho, will be interesting to see if democracy wins the day in Australia and gamers get their rights back. Though if massive sales of RapeLay are made after the bans go down, I'll be a very sad panda.
 

XJ-0461

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I actually faceplammed facepalm-ed facepalmmed (wtf is the correct past tense there?) when I saw the parts of the website.

On a purely aesthetic level, the site looks unprofessional, with the flashing "submission" sign in the middle and the images spilling out of the borders. This doesn't lend itself to the site being taken seriously. Getting into the content of the site also makes me doubt the amount of effort put into this thing as they attack what I'm pretty sure was a Japanese only release from something like three years ago, and under thier "images from violent games" section on the left, they include the logo for Saw. Not someone being cut up, but a logo. This makes me question if they even know what they're rallying against.

All in all, this seems overly conservatitve and scare-mongering, and lacks the appearance to seem professionally done.

Also, PM me if you want to hear my views on why Atkinson's crusade makes no sense to me.

EDIT: Oh crap, I forgot to mention the first thing I noticed! They say that "many studies" relate videogames to violence, but fail to mention what studies these are. In my opinion, unless they name what data they're using, their claims are invalid, and they might as well be saying that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are living on the moon.
 

Myrph

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I like the section on the home page which shows "Images From Volient Games". I must admit I'm quite intrigued to try playing a volient game, it sounds quite interesting!
 

Uberjoe19

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Violent video games for me at least are a method of taking out anger on digital people so that I'm not tempted to hurt real people.
 

Sir Kemper

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silver wolf009 said:
Man that game with the zombie looks awesome what game is it?
OT:I really dont see the problem with an R-18 rating, i mean he says that the goverment cant control who sees it. So? adults arent that eaisly molded and he never mentions to "SAV TEH KIDDIES!".
I do belive all the zombies present are from L4D2. However, i also that bit of art involveing those lovely zombies might be some concept art for L4D2, if not, well i'd also like to know, since i've seen it everywhere.
 

Uberjoe19

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Myrph said:
I like the section on the home page which shows "Images From Volient Games". I must admit I'm quite intrigued to try playing a volient game, it sounds quite interesting!
They seriously missed that typo?
 

Low Key

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I just sent the person who runs the site a reasonable message and hopefully they will change some of the info. It sucks that some people ruin it for the rest, but the least that site could do is get their citations right.

Myrph said:
I like the section on the home page which shows "Images From Volient Games". I must admit I'm quite intrigued to try playing a volient game, it sounds quite interesting!
That was one of things I addressed in the message I sent. We'll see if that changes or if they'll just ignore me like every other gamer.