Australian Conservative Launches Anti-R18 Videogame Site
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Statements like this are what destroy the credibility of what we're fighting for.Uberjoe19 said:
No offense, but the whole nerd-rage "I'm not weak and strange, but a human predator who would be doing terrible things to you all if video games weren't keeping me occupied" thing is pathetic and and has been around in one form or another since the dawn of time (albeit using things other than video games). Trying to present such arguements in the course of a serious dialogue on a subject makes people go 'WTF' and actually hurts the case as nobody takes it seriously since all it is, is someone trying to make themselves feel bigger. I'm tired of hearing it, it's not so much that I'm going off on you.
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Generally speaking the proper counter to this arguement is to point out that every single generation has had it's "youth boogieman". All of which have been supported by "studies" that argued that say the graphic depictions of violence (and to an extent sexuality) in things like old school horror comics were destroying the youth, and that even for adults such things had no redeeming value. The "Comics Code Authority" was established and such things were done away with entirely, and it had NO effect on anything since it was a scapegoat. The same thing was claimed about horror movies, and Europe (as opposed to Australia) lead the crusade with their Video Nasties list. Even before it was overturned, it had no effect. The "experts" looking at a scapegoat to avoiding addressing the REAL issues for which there is no easy solution have never been right, and never will be right.
All of the talk about nerds and fanboys flipping out and going homicidal on people without their escapism is ridiculous, and actually counter-productive to the case. What's more where bans HAVE taken place, the comic nerds, horror movie nerds, and rock music nerds, have yet to undergo a "predator reversion" and started killing people without their "safe way of venting for society's protection" even when things were banned.
Still, the simple fact that there are fan boys delusional to SAY things like this, and what's more perhaps even believe them (having convinced themselves it's reality as a form of self validation) plays right into the hands of the people attacking the latest "youth terror". The big fat dweeb, or 98 pound weakling making these cases can be pointed to as both having negative personality traits based on gaming, and what's more having been totally detached from reality. "Jr. Really thinks that if we took away his shooter games, he could go around shooting people like that, and probably would". Given the fact that your total "weak and strange" kid probably has no idea where to GET a gun "oh well, I could get one easy, I know my parents have one around SOMEWHERE" never mind properly fire one with any accuracy it's the very definition of impotent lulz and fooling nobody except maybe the speaker himself.
I go off on this because I hear it constantly, and frankly it's about as useful as internet tough guy rampages.... please, everyone just stop.
Hold on, I'm pretty sure that RapeLay isn't availabe in the UK (or it wasn't the last time I searched for my weekly dose of rape simulators).
They do realise that by having an 18 they can still ban the ridiculously disgusting stuff like that, don't they?
If anything, by not having an 18 they're totally defying the reason they don't want an 18: if you don't have an 18 then games like AvP which are getting 18s everywhere else will get a 15 - so its even easier for someone who shouldn't play the game to play it.
Not that a 15-year-old couldn't "handle" an 18, but they seem convinced that all 11-year-olds play 18s. If its a 15 then a parent's more likely to be lenient.
They do realise that by having an 18 they can still ban the ridiculously disgusting stuff like that, don't they?
If anything, by not having an 18 they're totally defying the reason they don't want an 18: if you don't have an 18 then games like AvP which are getting 18s everywhere else will get a 15 - so its even easier for someone who shouldn't play the game to play it.
Not that a 15-year-old couldn't "handle" an 18, but they seem convinced that all 11-year-olds play 18s. If its a 15 then a parent's more likely to be lenient.
Has rap music been banned in Australia? What about Marilyn Manson? I seem to remember that both of those source of music make anyone who listens to them a blood thirty criminal who supports abuse towards women or a devil worshipper who wants to eat babies' faces. I imagine the same studies that prove video games make people violent were conducted by the moon men and pink elephants that wrote up papers about music making people violent too.
Next up in Australia: the need for a ban on bananas and certain other foods because eating them makes you want to give men oral sex (studies proving this to follow).
Next up in Australia: the need for a ban on bananas and certain other foods because eating them makes you want to give men oral sex (studies proving this to follow).
Studies have shown that sports games, mainly sracing games, have caused more violence than R18+ rated games...
They should be banning those!
They should be banning those!
what people should be doing is starting a counter site to it
showing nothing but horrible scenes from movies and stuff like that, and starting a petition to ban R rated movies in Australia
get people to see how stupid it is, and how extreme you can get, if you only take the most horrible pieces from an art form that most people already accept as perfectly normal
showing nothing but horrible scenes from movies and stuff like that, and starting a petition to ban R rated movies in Australia
get people to see how stupid it is, and how extreme you can get, if you only take the most horrible pieces from an art form that most people already accept as perfectly normal
GUYS I HAVE JUST FIGURED SOMETHING OUT
The air that we breathe? You know, oxygen and all those other gases? Well, that air is keeping thousands of criminals and murderers alive at this very moment! Think of all the problems that could be solved....by removing all the air! It's that easy! We won't have to lift a finger to actually do the jobs we're paid to do! We should totally start reshaping Earth's atmosphere RIGHT NAO and it'll be so convenient and I'm in charge so shut up and do as I say!
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I also really don't get how these people can say that M rated games are corrupting our youth....when they're missing the entire POINT of an M rating, the M rating exists to single out games that people who are too young shouldn't play. But they don't even want to bother and implement some kind of system, they just want to get rid of anything overly violent! Why not ban the Discovery channel as well, since it occasionally depicts graphic violence? We don't want our kids near this kind of filth!
The air that we breathe? You know, oxygen and all those other gases? Well, that air is keeping thousands of criminals and murderers alive at this very moment! Think of all the problems that could be solved....by removing all the air! It's that easy! We won't have to lift a finger to actually do the jobs we're paid to do! We should totally start reshaping Earth's atmosphere RIGHT NAO and it'll be so convenient and I'm in charge so shut up and do as I say!
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I also really don't get how these people can say that M rated games are corrupting our youth....when they're missing the entire POINT of an M rating, the M rating exists to single out games that people who are too young shouldn't play. But they don't even want to bother and implement some kind of system, they just want to get rid of anything overly violent! Why not ban the Discovery channel as well, since it occasionally depicts graphic violence? We don't want our kids near this kind of filth!
I am not a fanboy, I like being an ass to others, and I rarely play video games. How about that? That was my opinion.Therumancer said:
Great, now you got ME as indignant as you are.
EDIT: I know I may be coming off as a dick. I apologize for that. And what he said about a lot of folks saying it is true. It's just for me, I like the violent games simply because they are violent.
I'd love to see a study that showed a link between violent video games and real life violence. Because to my knowledge there are none... all the ones I've read that supposedly do take huge speculative leaps and rely on very weak correlations and generally don't even bother controlling or even looking into other possible factors. And even if a link was proven, it does not prove violent video games cause violent behaviour, I'd say it may be more likely that more violent people are more attracted to these kinds of games (and personally I'd prefer them playing games then finding other outlets).
I think that generally when someone resorts to lying to support their position, that they should get out of the way of these kinds of discussions. It destroys any integrity they had, and what a surprise this site does not have any area for public rebuttals/discourse. Just a contact form that will most likely put you on a spam list for them in then future!
I think that generally when someone resorts to lying to support their position, that they should get out of the way of these kinds of discussions. It destroys any integrity they had, and what a surprise this site does not have any area for public rebuttals/discourse. Just a contact form that will most likely put you on a spam list for them in then future!
Yes. Many studies show that virtual-violence was connected to real-life violence.
Also, the same studies also linked cats and hang-gliders to violence as well, so take from that what you will.
Also, the same studies also linked cats and hang-gliders to violence as well, so take from that what you will.
There has never been an actual study that has proven the effects people claim "violent video games" have on the people who play them. Therefore their argument is pointless and collapsing under it's own weight.
I'd also like to note that most of the people who are against these ratings being implemented keep using the same games in their arguments wouldn't someone think they're losing the argument if that's all they can come up with?
I'd also like to note that most of the people who are against these ratings being implemented keep using the same games in their arguments wouldn't someone think they're losing the argument if that's all they can come up with?
It's a politician's job to create templates for how society should act, not enforce them. They have a great thing in Australia where it is an offense not to vote on election day, but people still do. If not having a 100% compliance rate is grounds to call a piece of legislation a failure, then there has not been a single law ever passed that has succeeded.
Instead of acting like these "offensive" pieces of media don't exist via a method not dissimilar to the way many autocracies prevent the people from voicing an opinion, the R18+ rating should not only exist, but be enforced. Think about it, would it not be a slight point of political pride for the Australian government if they were to implement such a rating, and bolster their chances of success by imposing more strictly enforced penalties than the UK or North American markets?
Instead of acting like these "offensive" pieces of media don't exist via a method not dissimilar to the way many autocracies prevent the people from voicing an opinion, the R18+ rating should not only exist, but be enforced. Think about it, would it not be a slight point of political pride for the Australian government if they were to implement such a rating, and bolster their chances of success by imposing more strictly enforced penalties than the UK or North American markets?
My god, just give them their fucking R18 game! Do you really think this is going to stop kids from killing/drinking/fucking each other!? No matter what, thousands of kids are going to do the things that would make their parents cry. There are just some kids that are fucked up in the head, thats all.
You can limit this by instead teaching kids good moral values, and if they disobey, beat the fuck out of them! Jesus, their just games!
You can limit this by instead teaching kids good moral values, and if they disobey, beat the fuck out of them! Jesus, their just games!
Someone need to hang him upside down by his balls while they hack off his limbs with a chainsaw.
He is SO stupid! Video games don't make people violent!
oh wait.......
He is SO stupid! Video games don't make people violent!
oh wait.......
I don't want to derail the discussion or turn this into a 'thing', but doesn't that seem like a bit of a double standard? If someone goes tonto in their school with a machine gun and the news says "GTA made him do it!" we declare that he's just a nutter and the media are looking for a scapegoat, but if someone blows up a gay bar and claims to be on a mission from God, all fingers point to the Church and that's okay? Why can't all nutters just be nutters equally?bladeofdarkness said:
This Australian game dealie does make me sad. Atkinson's type always seems to be searching for the big bogeyman that's corrupting the youth of today so they can hunt down and destroy it, to bring the world to rights again as their nostalgia-fuddled memories recall it.
In the 20s it was jazz music.
In the 30s it was pulp adventure novels.
In the 40s it was crime comics.
In the 50s it was superhero comics.
In the 60s it was rock music and the marijuana. Also communism.
In the 70s it was heavy metal.
In the 80s it was horror movies.
In the 90s it was still horror movies although games started getting into the scene with Doom...
In the 00s it was video games, and now into the 10s it looks like it might still be video games.
What will it be next? What metaphorical monster will Atkinson's ilk be chasing with equally metaphorical pitchforks for the next ten years? Cranial implants? Genetic enhancements? Robosexuality? Social networking?
-Nick