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It's absolutely a racist term. Wasn't aware that they used it in the game but I'd be a bit surprised if I heard it while I was playing. I grew up in rural Australia and saw a lot of racism directed towards indigenous folk, I never heard the term from anyone remotely educated on the subject, but I heard it plenty of times from other people in an offensive manner. Just because it's a shortening of a non-offensive word (one that has fallen out of favour somewhat, however) doesn't make it inoffensive, as Still Life explained.
 

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ace_of_something said:
Okay, so i'm not Australian and have never been. But could someone explain to me the connotation of the word 'abo' i understand it's a derogatory racial epithet for an aborigine.
Here's what i don't get:
In the game dead island they fling the word around in a few places. One quest sticks out where a man wants you to "go kill that abo bastard" and the introduction for the character 'purna' shows that people called he a 'half-abo' in a derogatory manner.
I don't get why people aren't up in arms about this. The world got mad in resident evil for killing 'non whites' or in deus ex because a black person speaks poorly. So on and So on.
Yet this bothers no one.

I'm kind of confused. On a scale of 'offensiveness' where does that term fall in to? It is like the dreaded 'n-word' or more like... i dunno calling someone a 'brit' it's just descriptive and context is everything?
1 it's not a common phrase.
2 it's not insanely derogatory. It's cheap and rude but not comparable to say calling a man a ******.
3 the aboriginals in Australia have a bit of a reputation. It's much easier to hate aboriginal in general than you might like to believe. that sounds racist but you've never met the sort of stereo type I'm talking about and I'm not saying all aboriginals are like that, I've met plenty who aren't. Stuff like that just makes people stop caring and I think the majority of Australians at this stage don't really care that much.
 

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Still Life said:
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I don't see anything in the dictionary definition of 'racism' that suggests abbreviated terms are racist
The way the term has been historically used in contemporary Australian vernacular has categorically given the term racist connotations. Your dictionary doesn't describe the effects of racism on language.
We have the same problem in England with the word Paki instead of Pakistani but when you look at the definition of racism it's all about intent. If you intend it to be an insult then it is racist. If you intend it as an abbreviation then it isn't. It's difficult to decide where the difference lies within intent so stupid people call it all racist...

From the lack of public uproar from Australia i would hazard a guess that they are a lot more intelligent and considerate in these matters. In America it would be a national outrage, in England it would be an crime...in Australia it's just a game :p
 

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And i also see it used as an insult, yet only towards the people who, simply put. Deserve to be insulted. Not because of their race mind you, but because they are just general bastards.

The same way that, if you had just been robbed by a black guy, you'd probably be saying something along the lines of "FUCKING N--- TOOK MY WALLET!". Basically, the only time it's ever really an insult, is when the word "Asshole" doesn't feel accurate enough.
I really don't hold with that kind of logic, If you're not racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever, than you aren't, regardless of if someone of a different race/gender/sexuality/whatever happens to annoy you.

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Personally I dont think the problem is that they are aboriginals, its that mindset of poverty and that they pass it on to their children. You see the same things, and the same abhorrent behaviour in white people. But we call those people bogans and never think to compare them. Its poverty and a culture of failure thats been cultivated thats the problem.
I don't think it's the same. IMHO, it's due to racist attitudes, though they don't fit what most people would think is racism.

Taking kids from Aboriginal people because you think they can't raise them "right" due to being Aboriginal is racist. But no taking kids from Aboriginal people because you, although you think they can't raise them "right" due to being crap parents, you don't want to interfere with Aboriginal issues the same way you would for everyone else is also racist. That's a total over-reaction, and doesn't help anyone.

Similarly, the Green are in favour of Aborigines owning their own land, native title and all that. But they got upset when the people they've said owned the land wanted to do things with it that didn't fit the Greens idea of what Aborigines should do. Also doesn't help.
 

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The term "Abo" is derogatory and/or demeaning, always has been, always will be.

I know people from Australia are going to be like "no its not, I use it all the time with my Aboriginal friends..." That may be true, but the key word there is "FRIENDS". Friendship is one of those mystical bonds that you can do shit with each other that normally would end with someone losing their bottom jaw over.

The purpose of the word is to segregate Aboriginals from white Australians, which is something that the Indigenous community has been fighting to stop since their was almost brought to extinction, (seriously look up Aboriginal history, its all kinds of fucked up).
 

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I'm not going to lecture you on you on how you should feel and I don't dispute what you have experienced. What I'll try and do is give you a little bit of perspective so that you can maintain a more positive outlook.

I certainly do not excuse, condone and dismiss violence/assault against you and your family in any case. I think it's a shame that small elements of the Aboriginal community detract from all the blood, sweat, tears and hard work the rest of us put into righting the harms done to Aboriginal people and enriching other Australians with our culture/ideas. We're struggling to continue our culture and facing those who have 'lost their way' is huge task and ugly task because we all see ourselves reflected in their faces. Their plight symbolizes all the destruction caused by what is sociologically referred to as whiteness.

But, I will say that all the behaviors you have listed, I have seen non-Aborginal people engage with. I also work with my state's Department of Justice when I am not studying, and I'll tell you those violent and anti-social behaviors are more indicative of a poverty paradigm, but it does overlap with racism.

From an Aboriginal perspective, however:

There are a few Aboriginal people and some families which have been ripped apart by the government (historically all this happened yesterday), targeted by police, shunned by the public and taught by bitter parents/uncles/extended family who have had their livelihoods taken away to the point where they feel they have no stake in society on any level. As I mentioned, this is compounded by a generational cycle and a poverty cycle. When you don't know anything but shame, struggle, poverty and persecution, you simply do not value things like you or I might.

Also, because of the way some families have been treated by institutions and elements of a racist public, some Aboriginal people respond with their own hate, frustration to any they deem 'outsider'. This is compounded by a public who are largely ignorant of what has happened historically and what continues to happen. People are simply not being educated on the issues, so there is little understanding.

Harm done to you is not right. Not in any circumstance. However, I would ask that you not judge these people with hate of your own. Pity them, because they have no sense of self-worth and dignity; they have no passion and they are disconnected from their culture, law and family.

This is the price we all pay for stolen land, racism, greed, politics before people and ignorance. Our communities continue to suffer because of a system and its laws have crated this ugly cultural hole and perpetuate it by denying us our own identity, empowerment and culture. We need people like you to help the many of us fighting this struggle so that we can help our own get back onto a healthier lifestyle, find respect in themselves and for others.
 

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cheesyman987 said:
Hellz_Barz said:
It's not always racial you can say it just using it as an abbreviation to describe someone who is aboriginal. It's kinda like the word jap,
Actually, "Jap" is most definitely a derogatory term.
I think Jap and Abo are pretty comparable terms, actually.

To someone who doesn't know any better, they just look like shortened versions of the appropriate words. But since they have been historically used in a derogatory manner, they have become derogatory themselves...Not to the point of "WOW, what did you just say?!" but more like "Uh, you should probably be careful of using that word..."
 

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thaluikhain said:
Well, given that Australian isn't a race, they can't have one. If you are equating Australian with white anglo-saxons (which is a can o' worms there), the term would be "skip".
I've heard people use the term 'Dingo' to describe an Australian where the context can make it a slur or just shorthand (kind of like calling an american 'Yank')

We call the white anglo-saxon protestants... Wasps. It's not a nice thing to call someone it has connotations of blandness, elitism, being cruel and being born wealthy. In the USA being born wealthy is tantamount to being very lazy and getting things you didn't earn, laziness is something our culture generally really hates. This makes Paris Hilton/Kim Kardashian being famous is all the more confusing.

What's more odd about the Wasp term is it's now used to describe 'kinda racist white people from old money' regardless of if they have the described religion/ethnicity.
 

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ace_of_something said:
We call the white anglo-saxon protestants... Wasps. It's not a nice thing to call someone it has connotations of blandness, elitism, being cruel and being born wealthy. In the USA being born wealthy is tantamount to being very lazy and getting things you didn't earn, laziness is something our culture generally really hates. This makes Paris Hilton/Kim Kardashian being famous is all the more confusing.

What's more odd about the Wasp term is it's now used to describe 'kinda racist white people from old money' regardless of if they have the described religion/ethnicity.
Also odd that apparently the biggest religion in Australia is Catholicism, yet there doesn't seem to be a term for them such as wasp.

Personally, I'd not considered wasp to have any particular negative connotations, except them being the majority with all that implies.
 

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The term Abo exsists but it's not actually used in Australia. The few people that do use words like that are usually older people who grew up in a very racist time or people who have spent too much time listen to the older people.

I have seen it on this website a few times. People think Australia is a racist country. It isn't true. there is racism but there is always going to be racism. Our whole country doesn't think badly of Aboriginal people. It's just a minority. the same thing is happening all around the world. Also Dead Island isn't the best place to get evidence on australia.
 

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thaluikhain said:
ace_of_something said:
We call the white anglo-saxon protestants... Wasps. It's not a nice thing to call someone it has connotations of blandness, elitism, being cruel and being born wealthy. In the USA being born wealthy is tantamount to being very lazy and getting things you didn't earn, laziness is something our culture generally really hates. This makes Paris Hilton/Kim Kardashian being famous is all the more confusing.

What's more odd about the Wasp term is it's now used to describe 'kinda racist white people from old money' regardless of if they have the described religion/ethnicity.
Also odd that apparently the biggest religion in Australia is Catholicism, yet there doesn't seem to be a term for them such as wasp.

Personally, I'd not considered wasp to have any particular negative connotations, except them being the majority with all that implies.
Papist, Popeblower, Mystics, Bread mumbler, Fish eater, all derogatory terms for Catholics. I know a lot of those, the very small town I was from my family were the only white Catholics (the rest were all hispanic and most of them were from a different neighboring village).

I grew up in a part of the country where statistically there was 1 person for every 2 square miles so people had to really work to find something to be racist about but found something.
 

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ace_of_something said:
Papist, Popeblower, Mystics, Bread mumbler, Fish eater, all derogatory terms for Catholics. I know a lot of those, the very small town I was from my family were the only white Catholics (the rest were all hispanic and most of them were from a different neighboring village).
Yeah, I meant there's no specifically white anglo Catholic term, AFAIK.
 

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It's just a minority.
Excuse me? I have an issue with that phrase. Two things you should know:

1. Not just a minority. If you're living in Australia, you're living off stolen land whose owners still have substantive legal claim over. Show some respect.

2. Every minority composes a crucial element of the well-being of a country, be they Muslim, Punjab, Chinese, etc. That 'just a minority' utilitarian-lite philosophy is bullshit and is used by apparatchiks to push politics ahead of people. This country can do better than that and so can you.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Similarly, the Green are in favour of Aborigines owning their own land, native title and all that. But they got upset when the people they've said owned the land wanted to do things with it that didn't fit the Greens idea of what Aborigines should do.
Hahaha... Yeah, seen quite a few incidences of enviromentalists throwing their weight behind native title claims and so forth, only to turn around and go bunta when the blackfellas then go lease their land to mining companies or whoever. Fucking hilarious. Native Title is about self-determination not locking the blackfellas into some fucked up theme park of 'noble savages acting primitive'. That's been half the problem with the major political attitudes towards Indigenous Australians... policy has either been assimilation at all costs or completely hands off, throw the buggers back out bush.
 

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Still Life said:
If you're living in Australia, you're living off stolen land whose owners still have substantive legal claim over. Show some respect.

Every minority composes a crucial element of the well-being of a country, be they Muslim, Punjab, Chinese, etc. That 'just a minority' utilitarian-lite philosophy is bullshit and is used by apparatchiks to push politics ahead of people. This country can do better than that and so can you.
Ok if your living almost anywhere outside of Europe you are proberly living on stolen land. The Europians colonised a lot of countries in the same way they did with Australia. I realise that doesn't justify what they did. I don't see how i was disrespectful.

"Every minority composes a crucial element of the well-being of a country" this is true but the minority i'm talking about is people of an older demographic. They were raised to beleive racism was completely fine and justified and have stayed that way. The question that was kind of asked is "does Australia have racial problems" (i said kind of asked). Yes it does but these racial issues are just as bad as the ones every where else.

I fail to see how we are any worse from everyone else. I realise that, that doesn't justify being racist. I don't think Australia has a big racist issue and i don't think that Australia needs to be singled out like this just because a game had racist remarks in it and there was no big deal made out of it.
 

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Still Life said:
Excuse me? I have an issue with that phrase. Two things you should know:

1. Not just a minority. If you're living in Australia, you're living off stolen land whose owners still have substantive legal claim over. Show some respect.

2. Every minority composes a crucial element of the well-being of a country, be they Muslim, Punjab, Chinese, etc. That 'just a minority' utilitarian-lite philosophy is bullshit and is used by apparatchiks to push politics ahead of people. This country can do better than that and so can you.
There are very few people that can claim not to live on stolen land around the world ( as sam42ification said). The colonisation (or invasion - as you would probably call it) of Australia is very recent compared to the rest of the world, and so the matter needs to be dealt with carefully. But the things that have happened cannot be changed, the past is the past. And it was a sad thing that happened, and I wish people didn't have to die so that I could have the life that I do now. But they did, and I do and there is nothing I can do about it.

I can choose to use the word 'abo' in a derogatory way or not, just as someone can call me a 'white skanky hoe' or something. I've met muslims who think all white women have no morals, I can't change what they think of me immediately or maybe ever. But they are just words, and if people can't suck it up and deal with specific arrangements of sounds coming out of someone's mouth, that is their own fault.

(Note: I'm not excusing derogatory racial name-calling in any way, and I wouldn't do it my self. But it's not something that can be changed and sometimes the best you can do is not do it yourself - rather than try and change other people and their ways).
 

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sam42ification said:
Ok if your living almost anywhere outside of Europe you are proberly living on stolen land. The Europians colonised a lot of countries in the same way they did with Australia. I realise that doesn't justify what they did. I don't see how i was disrespectful.
Xixikal said:
But the things that have happened cannot be changed, the past is the past. And it was a sad thing that happened, and I wish people didn't have to die so that I could have the life that I do now. But they did, and I do and there is nothing I can do about it.
You seem to have missed the point, both of you. The High Court of Australia found that Aboriginal people have a legal Right to 'Australian' land. Australia is not other countries, and original inhabitants were invaded 'yesterday' in the history book and are still around to say something about it. None of us get to walk away from that fact.

That semantics based 'I can't change the past' is fucking bullshit and doesn't hold water in this case. You can help by involving yourself with Aboriginal communities and educating yourself. The past is the present in Australia.

Also, if you fail to see the foundations of racism in Australia through its institutional foundations/frameworks and class structures, then your education has failed you. You just have to look at various provisions in the constitution, the policies of government in relation to Native Title, mining and community development, coupled with the attitudes of 'I can't see it so it mustn't exist' that people have.

It was rather telling when a senior UN representative came to Australia earlier this year and visited Aboriginal communities. She compared the status of Aboriginal communities to that of Apartheid Africa. This is a woman who lived through that era. Both of you need to start learning and start helping.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Similarly, the Green are in favour of Aborigines owning their own land, native title and all that. But they got upset when the people they've said owned the land wanted to do things with it that didn't fit the Greens idea of what Aborigines should do.
Hahaha... Yeah, seen quite a few incidences of enviromentalists throwing their weight behind native title claims and so forth, only to turn around and go bunta when the blackfellas then go lease their land to mining companies or whoever. Fucking hilarious. Native Title is about self-determination not locking the blackfellas into some fucked up theme park of 'noble savages acting primitive'. That's been half the problem with the major political attitudes towards Indigenous Australians... policy has either been assimilation at all costs or completely hands off, throw the buggers back out bush.
You should take a look at the 'closing the gap' campaign and its big movement dubbed Generation One. It's endorsed by major political figures and - wait for it - Andrew Forest. Assimilation 101 right there. It's market based rhetoric in a palatable form for the public. Pretty pathetic people can't see through that shit, but as I've stated earlier in is thread, the public are not being educated on the issues and therefore aren't able to engage with them.

It irks me that X number of Australians get all self-righteous about humanitarian issues overseas, but don't even lift a finger for Aboriginal communities. No, that pisses me off actually.
 

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Okay, so i'm not Australian and have never been. But could someone explain to me the connotation of the word 'abo' i understand it's a derogatory racial epithet for an aborigine.
Here's what i don't get:
In the game dead island they fling the word around in a few places. One quest sticks out where a man wants you to "go kill that abo bastard" and the introduction for the character 'purna' shows that people called he a 'half-abo' in a derogatory manner.
I don't get why people aren't up in arms about this. The world got mad in resident evil for killing 'non whites' or in deus ex because a black person speaks poorly. So on and So on.
Yet this bothers no one.

I'm kind of confused. On a scale of 'offensiveness' where does that term fall in to? It is like the dreaded 'n-word' or more like... i dunno calling someone a 'brit' it's just descriptive and context is everything?
To put it bluntly it's not offensive, it's just shorthand.

In the end when it comes to allegations of racism it's all about how much attention someone can get by making a stink. A person getting "upset" by "Abo" or "Jap" or whatever else on it's own is only going to happen if they have something to gain by it. "Dead Island" isn't a popular franchise and doesn't get the same level of attention that trying to make racist allegations about a series like "Resident Evil" does for example.

On top of that, I think part of the issue is that Americans don't seem to realize that our standards of political correctness don't apply everywhere, and that at the same time nations appeal to those standards, we're also kind of being mocked for our stupidity (which I won't get into).

Like it or not throughout a lot of the world people don't have any real issue calling things like they are, and calling a backwards culture backwards, or annoying people annoying, and trying to take action where they see problems based on group. All comments from aussies on these forums about what aussies are like and what they talk about have to be taken with a grain of salt given the extreme left wing audience here. If you've ever sat down on game chat with some aussies and listened to them talk about some of the odder political situations down there, they do seem to a little less willing to walk on eggshells in saying exactly what they think and explaining why they think that to confused Americans.

While it's been a while, when it comes to the Aboriginals issues I've heard people go off about are how they have done things like build a giant eyesore of a "tent embassay" outside the Austrlian parliment, refusing any kind of proper office or building access to make some kind of a deliberatly obnoxious point, then we have brushfires which have been directly attributed to Aboriginals insisting on holding tribal rituals at times and in enviroments when it's not safe to do so. A few of the bigger and nastier fires in fairly recent memory apparently having been tracked back towards "Abos" building bonfires in unsafe, dry enviroments and causing tons of deaths and property damage as a result, then there is this whole thing about gas laws getting ridiculously involuted because the "Abos" like to huff gasoline fumes, and oddly enough like to chill gasoline so they can sniff cold fumes, leading to attempts to ban gas stations from chilling gasoline and selling it to aborigitals to huff because then they have a tendency to stagger around and do all kinds of idiotic things which end with things like automobile accidents.

Now some people are probably going "whoa, Therumancer, your the most hateful person I've ever heard", but really this isn't my issue, I have no first hand knowlege of it, it's just the stuff I've heard Aussies go off about, sometimes at great length. Some of the crazier things... like huffing chilled petrol... I had to look up due to the "WTF" factor, and I must say that I was shocked to find out it's true (and incidently Encyclopedia Dramatica seems to have since used that paticular point as a focus in their article on Aboriginals... in their own tasteful and dignified way of course).

If anything I get the impression that we here in the US are considered part of the problem because largely due to our efforts through the UN and such, Australia can't deal with the problem due to all the "rights of exploited indiginous people".

The point here is that I don't think "Abo" is inherantly insulting, but it can (like any word) be made that way depending on how you say it. I just don't think Australians in
general really give a crap, and if that comes through in certain video games, that's accuracy more than anything. To be honest I don't think it's actual racism (as in "these people are inferior" on a genetic level), so much as it is a lack of political correctness and a desire to correct behavior that has been leading to things like gigantic brush fires, but being unable to do so. After all Austrlia would have the hippies of the world all over them in force if they were to say arrest an entire tribe for engaging in a mass, ritualized lighting of bonfires when they were told specifically not to due to the conditions, did it anyway, and caused acres upon acres of fire damage, and the lives of dozens of people.
 
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It's derogatory (like most things) in the way it's said, like if you weren't being derogatory then you would just say "aboriginal".

Interestingly in Australia we have a brand of cheese called "Coon" but we don't really use that word as a derogatory term for aboriginals.

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