Well I hated "Phelam 123," it was shit, it was fucking awful! No seriously though, you know that it was a remake, right?sirdanrhodes said:
Avatar Breaks Even, Surprises Everyone
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I expected it not to be a flop. But wow! I knew it was expencive, but revenge of the fallen and dark knight combind. Whoa! And it broke even
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Wait wait they were inventing stuff for 4 years? Just to make the movie :O
Well...wherever there is a sequel or not its not going to come out soon cuz he has 2 back-to-back projects so now we are waiting for Battle Angel.
Wait wait they were inventing stuff for 4 years? Just to make the movie :O
Well...wherever there is a sequel or not its not going to come out soon cuz he has 2 back-to-back projects so now we are waiting for Battle Angel.
500million dollars. It's strange. How numbers like this have become so commonplace these days.
Anyway..I saw the film today. Nice action scenes. Otherwise unremarkable, somehow..
Anyway..I saw the film today. Nice action scenes. Otherwise unremarkable, somehow..
Cameron is usually against sequels- the company had to really muscle (not literally) him to get him to extend the Terminator and Alien franchises.Torque669 said:
This movie sucked. Everything it did has been done before and has been done better. At least Pochahontas was memorable! That's all I could think of when watching this. Heck, I liked those awful TRANSFORMERS movies more than this. At least those had Optimus Prime and Megatron beating the crap out of eachother, which is better than nothing I suppose.
The story was boring and cliche, none of the characters were memorable or all that interesing even, the designs for just about EVERYTHING from the creatures to the robots and weapons were also bland and unoriginal.
Lord of the Rings was way more epic, Transformers 1 and 2 had more fun, District 9 had a much better story and much more memorable/stylish look and feel and atmosphere, and the list goes on...
And honestly, 300 million dollars was spent on this, wasn't it? 300 MILLION dollars? And for WHAT!? So you all could sit in a theatre and act braindead for 2 and a half hours while a bunch of pretty lights flash up on screen? Nice...
Hu-DUUUUUURRRRRR....
The story was boring and cliche, none of the characters were memorable or all that interesing even, the designs for just about EVERYTHING from the creatures to the robots and weapons were also bland and unoriginal.
Lord of the Rings was way more epic, Transformers 1 and 2 had more fun, District 9 had a much better story and much more memorable/stylish look and feel and atmosphere, and the list goes on...
And honestly, 300 million dollars was spent on this, wasn't it? 300 MILLION dollars? And for WHAT!? So you all could sit in a theatre and act braindead for 2 and a half hours while a bunch of pretty lights flash up on screen? Nice...
Hu-DUUUUUURRRRRR....
My thoughts exactly.sharks9 said:
Except I didn't see that movie...I just read the back of the DVD cover.
This shit was surreal.
The imagery was totally unreal yet brought to life so convincingly you could swear Pandora was a real place just out of reach.
The 3D was definitely a huge boost, really conveyed the epic scale and depth of the whole movie...the camera panning over that huge synchronized Na'vi ritual's still fresh in my mind.
I bet this would be great on shrooms.
Well at least this means people might take a chance on more sci-fi movies. It certainly was a very pretty movie.
So wierd seeing a few comments from "film students" that hated this movie. I dread the future if all our future film makers reject all movies based on predictable plot. Art is fine, but I for one (and many of my friends) don't go see many movies in the theatre any longer. Avatar was a perfect theatre movie (such as 2012, another predictable plot). I like good story telling and read often, I rent more movies and enjoy certain blather on the tv when it's worth it. But again.. Movies can come in all shapes and sizes. I seen great plot based, horribly acted, horrible visuals, etc. I have seen all 3 (rare.. LOTR comes to mind), but in some cases I can take just a fun movie.
This movie does change the landscape. I also got lost in the visuals. I thought the acting was predictable to their characters. The plot was eh... I will take 10 of these in the theatre to one great plot based movie. And there are those rare District 9's. To each there own choosing, but as a large consumer of media, a buyer of media and one who has also taken film courses (albiet may years ago), judge the film on all merits, not your high brow artsy, I can do better. THAN DO IT!. <note I like many here am a bit sick of evil marine, good native plots, but dang it, if it's not based on too much reality
As far as the money.. note, it cost most as he INVENTED a type of flim making and cameras for this movie. Millions were spend on each type of camera. It was also a longer film, with more graphics, etc. I am happy it made money and in the US it made $70mm it's first weekend, #2 all time for that time period, not too shabby, also noting at 2.75 hours, less could see it.
Finally for a sequel, I don't see it happening. Though he could use that environment, no reason for a sequal. T2 was a better movie than 1 in most aspects and it was not like 1.
Ok time for some M&M's
This movie does change the landscape. I also got lost in the visuals. I thought the acting was predictable to their characters. The plot was eh... I will take 10 of these in the theatre to one great plot based movie. And there are those rare District 9's. To each there own choosing, but as a large consumer of media, a buyer of media and one who has also taken film courses (albiet may years ago), judge the film on all merits, not your high brow artsy, I can do better. THAN DO IT!. <note I like many here am a bit sick of evil marine, good native plots, but dang it, if it's not based on too much reality
As far as the money.. note, it cost most as he INVENTED a type of flim making and cameras for this movie. Millions were spend on each type of camera. It was also a longer film, with more graphics, etc. I am happy it made money and in the US it made $70mm it's first weekend, #2 all time for that time period, not too shabby, also noting at 2.75 hours, less could see it.
Finally for a sequel, I don't see it happening. Though he could use that environment, no reason for a sequal. T2 was a better movie than 1 in most aspects and it was not like 1.
Ok time for some M&M's
This was a James Cameroon movie. It will ALWAYS make it's money back because James Cameroon directed it.
It wasn't the ending that I'm looking in with the T-movies. The journey of both Sarah and John to achieve a level in badass was worth it.Mazty said:
Serenity is SUPPOSED to be a western sci fi. But anything that actually has Fox reconsider a canceled show is ok in my book.
I criticize Avatar because I saw all of these "colonial" concepts in the movies I mentioned. Hell, the entire scene where he wakes up and goes to stop the bulldozers was in Ferngully. The entire part where she pushes him away, I was deeply reminded of that childhood movie. The connection to a culture that's different from your own, and fighting with the people in one glorious battle for everything... It's practically in all three movies.
Again, I enjoyed the movie. But I can't help but feel that I've seen these before. If James had done more to convince me it was more unique, I'd have been impressed. As it stands, the pacing marred the story telling. And it seemed too heavy handed on the Aesop of "we must heal the planet by connecting to it, which the humans lost. That's why they're bad."
Deus Ex Machina - Something that seems to be pulled out the Arse of the director that quite literally can't be explained. In the T-movies, both times, I can justify the fact that they had to get to the place, the lava is right there and that's burning hot.
For Avatar, we have no reason to believe in Eywa to have heard Jake. We have no reason to have thought she'd care. But magically when EVERYTHING is down, she gives a big middle finger to the humans. It may have been lampshaded in the fact that no one but the scientists thought of the planet as a giant computer, but damn... That's some serious DEM. I just wanted Eywa to show she cared one time before that big finale so I could say "oh, she does listen. Just sparingly." Instead, it's more a "WTF. So if I pray to God, he'll give me a large army whenever I need it?"
Totally wrong about Alien vs Aliens. Alien was more a horror film. You didn't know what the hell that thing was. In the second, you expanded on the Aliens by making a queen. You also made Ripley a believable badass who was a mother. Out of everyone, she was going to survive when the military failed. For its time it was innovative. I doubt in the 80s, you'd find any movie that had a strong female character that would fight for a child when the main thoughts of the time are "Men can do anything that has to do with death and destruction.
Although, I do see what you did there. I'm not minimizing it to its smallest denominator and saying "Oh, it's shit." I'm saying I enjoyed the movie but it could have done some things much better.
Avatar was very, very good. On a scale from 1 to 10 I would give it a 9.5 for an immersive, breathtaking world and a plot that mirrors assimilationist policy of the US towards American Indians. Its one of those movies that makes me feel guilty as a white man, but still a great movie.
BTW: See it in 3D, the extra 2-3$ is totaly worth it!
BTW: See it in 3D, the extra 2-3$ is totaly worth it!